1.30 @ monza

by **Kevin Clar** » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 21:51:28

> > > I know it sounds like the easy option(and it is), but I have
> throttle and
> > > brake help on....will this be slowing me down also?

> > DOH!
> > You should have said that earlier. :)
> > TURN THEM OFF!
> > They're costing you loads of time and interfere the the GPLness of
> being
> > at one with the car (man).

> But be warned, you can't expect to jump in the car with braking help
> turned off for the first time and run sub 1:30s at Monza. Learning to
> brake smoothly with a pedal that gives you no feedback is a major part
> of the GPL challenge.

Handy GPL hint # 634
Get a squash ball and cut it in half (or some wads of paper wrapped in
packets with tape)
Calibrate the brake to maximum travel, then put the squash ball under
it. That way, when you hit the brakes, (a) the pedal only travels about
90% of it's distance and you are much less likely to fully lock the
brakes and (b) you get some 'feel' under heavy braking.

Kev

by **Andre Warrin** » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 22:25:50

TURN THEM OFF NOOOOOWWWWW!!!!
It helps :)

Andre

by oz » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 23:24:54

Andre...did you turn braking assist off in your 106?
oz

> >I know it sounds like the easy option(and it is), but I have throttle and
> >brake help on....will this be slowing me down also?

> TURN THEM OFF NOOOOOWWWWW!!!!
> It helps :)

> Andre

by **Simon Brow** » Fri, 08 Jun 2001 02:05:36

Sorry for repeating what has already been said perfectly adequately by
others (why break a usenet tradition?) but if you can do 1:30 in the
Ferrari, you should be able to do 1:29 or possibly even a 1:28 in the Lotus
or Eagle. I agree the driving aids will be holding you back, plus you're
not getting the full thrill out of controlling the cars if you computer is
helping you.

Just on exiting corners, I don't know how long you've been playing GPL, but
anticipating what the car is going to do is a really important skill, and it
only comes with experience. Eventually you get to the point where you don't
even have to see the car start to spin before you correct it, you sort of
already know you need to apply opposite lock, just because you know what
you've done with the throttle.

Some more good advice

- drive all the tracks
- use all the cars
- if you're having trouble learning a track - race there instead of just
doing training laps
- make sure the game is running at 36 fps (alt-f displays frame-rate)
- use a steering wheel with pedals, and force-feedback also helps
- don't put off learning the Nurburgring

:)

by **David L. Coo** » Fri, 08 Jun 2001 02:56:43

I got there by going DEEP into Parabolica - smooth around and early on the
gas out. I broke 1:30 for the first time in an Eagle.

David Cook

> I think then its lesmos 1 + 2 that catch me out
> i'll try tonite....but slower..and see what happens
> cheers
> oz

> > Oz,

> > Probably you are trying to hard, I am no Monza expert (1:28:57), but you
> > should concentrate on getting the corner smooth, slightly slower than
you
> > think you should and concentrate on getting speed OUT of the corner you
> will
> > definitely be able to break 1:30

> > Also try practicing at a few other circuits - eg. Watkins Glen, cause
its
> > short and fun :)

> > Good Luck
> > Ash

> > | why ,why why cant I break this barrier?
> > |
> > | frustrated.
> > | oz.
> > |
> > |

by **bernie eccl** » Fri, 08 Jun 2001 03:06:25

Try to keep a your foot on the accelerator pedal a little bit when you brake
(you are left foot braking aren't you?) This will help to keep the car
stable under braking.

This may or may not be what many refer to as trail or tail-braking but that
is whole different thread and not one I am all that interested in. All I
know is that the little bit of accelerator works for me with a PB of 1:28.54
at Monza (Eagle) and a negative GPLRank.

Hang in there.

Stewart

> So its time for an all new GPL experience........bring it on!

> so how much will my braking distance be reduce by?
> oz.

> > >I know it sounds like the easy option(and it is), but I have throttle
and
> > >brake help on....will this be slowing me down also?
> > >I can drive with both switched off , but im a lot more confident
driving
> > >with them on.....
> > >and I sometimes end up facing the wrong way coming out of lesmos 2!damn
> to
> > >much throttle again!

> > Wow... you have the helps on, and can make it near 1:30? Great!
> > Try to learn accelerating out of turns without help, you can get
> > much more acceleration. Same for braking..
> > Sub-1:30 should be yours as soon as you manage a lotus or eagle without
> > helps.
> > btw: I have seen many cars pointing into wrong direction after lesmos
> > in online races (including my own ;)

> > Calis

by **Laurence Wilme** » Fri, 08 Jun 2001 06:32:08

<snip - dumping braking help>
Good idea - but I've never come across anything the right size and
shape not to impede the throttle as well, given that the pedals are
only 1" apart but 2" off the floor.
What I actually do is to keep about 10% throttle on while braking,
simply because it's natural, automatic, feels right for the car I'm
driving. On single axis this must have the same effect as limiting
braking to 90% or thereabouts. One day (when I can afford a new wheel
if it goes wrong) I'm going to be brave enough to cut wires c.f.
http://huizen.dds.nl/~jjcox/ (converting T2 to dual axis).
Then I'd probably have to re-learn driving GPL from scratch (and spend
a lot of time arguing the 'correct' definitions of trailbraking,
squashballbraking etc etc when I should be learning the Ring).
:-)

--
Laurence Wilmer

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by **JoeZ** » Fri, 08 Jun 2001 07:26:48

All I know is I was estatic! I jumped out of the simulator and continued
to jump up and down - breaking 1:30 was a big thing!

Carry on dude - it can happen!

by **Thom j** » Fri, 08 Jun 2001 09:09:47

All great advice listed Simon except for 1 {imc}. I *never* use pedals I
only
use *paddles* cuz mostly I can't use my feet nor legs..lol I kick buttkiss
with
my paddles too!!! :-).. Just some non-important fyi.. Cheers Thom_j.

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by **Eldre** » Fri, 08 Jun 2001 09:32:51

>How long have you been playing GPL?
>If you haven't gotten your time under 1:30, and you've been playing the
>game for over a year... Give up.
>Then try to get under 1:06 at the Glen. ;)

It took more than a year for me to break 1:30 at Monza. I STILL can't get
under 1:06 at the Glen...

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by **Eldre** » Fri, 08 Jun 2001 09:32:50

>Sorry for repeating what has already been said perfectly adequately by
>others (why break a usenet tradition?) but if you can do 1:30 in the
>Ferrari, you should be able to do 1:29 or possibly even a 1:28 in the Lotus
>or Eagle. I agree the driving aids will be holding you back, plus you're
>not getting the full thrill out of controlling the cars if you computer is
>helping you.

I have a 1:30.17 with the Ferrari, but only 1:29.22 with Lotus, and 1:29.87
with the Eagle. I don't see getting to 1:28 anytime soon.

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by **Eldre** » Fri, 08 Jun 2001 09:32:52

>It'll help you see straight away where you're losing time. Lesmo sounds
>likely (try using 3rd gear out of lesmo 2. More traction less
>wheelspin). Also exiting parabolica is likely too. I'd be able to get
>into the 1.27's if I could get out of there faster :(

>One more thing, which car? I have to thrash the knackers off the ferrari
>to get a gnats under 1.30 but I can run low 29's all day in the lotus
>and eagle.

Do you shift between Lesmo 1 & 2? I'd be in trouble trying to judge speed in a
different gear - I can't tell from the screen. I've done a 1:29 in the Lotus,
and just ran one in the Eagle in a league practice race. Can't run 1:29 in any
other car, yet... :(

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by **Eldre** » Fri, 08 Jun 2001 09:32:52

>Also braking is very important. If you brake too hard and lock the brakes
>it disrupts the car, which will affect your turn-in and over time will make
>you nervous and uncertain about braking. If the brakes lock you're braking
>too hard, you only need to gently squeeze the brakes. Actually if the tires
>squeel you're braking too hard as well.

I *always* get brake squeal... Either they squeal, or I can't stop.

Ascari is *easy* to take flat, after the tires warm up. I have problems with
Lesmo 1, but I've heard that it isn't as important as Lesmo 2 for lap time.
Yes, I have problems with the 2nd one, too<g>

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by **Robi** » Fri, 08 Jun 2001 11:08:58

> >Sorry for repeating what has already been said perfectly adequately by
> >others (why break a usenet tradition?) but if you can do 1:30 in the
> >Ferrari, you should be able to do 1:29 or possibly even a 1:28 in the
Lotus
> >or Eagle. I agree the driving aids will be holding you back, plus you're
> >not getting the full thrill out of controlling the cars if you computer
is
> >helping you.

> I have a 1:30.17 with the Ferrari, but only 1:29.22 with Lotus, and
1:29.87
> with the Eagle. I don't see getting to 1:28 anytime soon.

> Eldred

Wow, everytime you post what your times are at different tracks and what
trials and tribulations you are dealing with in over-coming "milestone"
hurdles in GPL I always find myself saying "Yeah, that's me exactly... this
is scary!" I think you are my evil twin. ;)
Robin

by **Eldre** » Fri, 08 Jun 2001 13:47:26

>> I have a 1:30.17 with the Ferrari, but only 1:29.22 with Lotus, and
>1:29.87
>> with the Eagle. I don't see getting to 1:28 anytime soon.

>> Eldred

>Wow, everytime you post what your times are at different tracks and what
>trials and tribulations you are dealing with in over-coming "milestone"
>hurdles in GPL I always find myself saying "Yeah, that's me exactly... this
>is scary!" I think you are my evil twin. ;)
>Robin

Robin, if you're stuck at the same places I am, I'm *real* sorry to hear
that...<g>

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