1.30 @ monza

by **Eldre** » Sat, 09 Jun 2001 00:39:45

>Actually Eldred, I've just seen your new GPLRank of +20.90 so I won't be
>giving you any more advice ever again <g>, since you're only 3 seconds
>behind me! Actually, have you thought about playing GPL on the keys using
>the BRM, that's the real way to get your GPLRank down ;)

Dude, I'm about to dynamite that BRM. That's killing my MonsterRank. Well,
that and the fact that I can't drive... :)

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by **Eldre** » Sat, 09 Jun 2001 00:39:47

>I do yes.
>I take L1 in 2nd then accelerate. If I've got the power on really well,
>I upshift to 3rd then slam the brakes on. Otherwise, I change up when
>I'm braking for L2 so I'm already in 3rd for the exit. You get much
>better traction out of the turn. A simple way to check is to do it in
>2nd and make a mental note of when you shift up to 5th, then do it in
>3rd and you'll see that you're in 5th about 100m earlier.

Really? Ok, I'll try that.

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by **Eldre** » Sat, 09 Jun 2001 00:39:45

>1:29.22 is very close to 1:28, and I'm sure you can get the Eagle down to
>the same times as the Lotus. You only have to improve a little bit in one
>corner to get into the 1:28s.

I'll probably stop if I ever get to 1:28 at Monza.<g>

I'd like to improve at ALL the tracks, because I'm so far off the pace. I just
don't seem to be ABLE to right now... Well, I still have 2 days of vacation
left.<g>

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by **Eldre** » Sat, 09 Jun 2001 00:39:46

>I've always found it rather difficult to take Ascari flat out, unless I get
>the perfect line into it, and then I'm also having to work hard to avoid
>turning the wheel too much.

>Are you sure you're getting enough speed out of Lesmo 2?

Well, I know I'm not fast out of Lesmo 2, but I never made the connection to
the ease of Ascari. I only have a problem with Ascari on the first lap, or if
I***up the turn-in. I can even do it on full tanks flat out.

Losing how? Slower entrance speed, or scrubbing too much speed IN the turn?

1:27...that's just a DREAM right now. I have to get to 1:28's first<g>

I believe it, but Lesmo 2 is probably my worst, from what I've heard.

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by **Simon Brow** » Sat, 09 Jun 2001 01:33:55

Hehe :)

by **Neil Rain** » Sat, 09 Jun 2001 01:45:37

> >I've always found it rather difficult to take Ascari flat out, unless I
get
> >the perfect line into it, and then I'm also having to work hard to avoid
> >turning the wheel too much.

> >Are you sure you're getting enough speed out of Lesmo 2?
> Well, I know I'm not fast out of Lesmo 2, but I never made the connection
to
> the ease of Ascari. I only have a problem with Ascari on the first lap,
or if
> I***up the turn-in. I can even do it on full tanks flat out.

> >I've also checked my laps against the Aliens', and found that I was
actually
> >losing time through Ascari.
> Losing how? Slower entrance speed, or scrubbing too much speed IN the

turn?

Yep, scrubbing too much speed in the turn, I think.

Looking at alien hotlaps it seems to me that they turn the wheel less in
Ascari, but somehow it keeps going round the corner (rather than into the
armco).

I think this is to do with the setup, but it may also be that they get a
better entrance and are therefore able to keep going without excessive
turning of the wheel.

I've used Ian Lake's setup at Monza since I started: I have a replay of him
doing it in 1:27.09, so I know it *can* be done!

On the other hand there may be some much better setups out there!

by **Neil Rain** » Sat, 09 Jun 2001 01:50:14

> On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:45:33 +0100, "Neil Raine"

> >I've always found it rather difficult to take Ascari flat out, unless I
get
> >the perfect line into it, and then I'm also having to work hard to avoid
> >turning the wheel too much.

> Clearly a setup problem. With default setup for example it's a lot
> harder than with setups from Monza-Meister Leonardo Grandis.

Interesting! Perhaps a visit to Schubi's site is in order!

I've always used Ian Lake's setup for Monza, which he has done 1:27.06 in,
but that was probably with GPL 1.0 (with the old tyre model and the
low-rider setups).

I certainly find that with Lesmo 1: it's really hard to get the car to turn
in properly. The best I can do is to get some power-on oversteer in that
corner, where the car seems to go round on rails if I apply the power at
just the right point.

With lesmo 2 I am still exiting in 2nd gear, so it may be possible for me to
pick up time by shifting to 3rd.

I've tried that a few times and haven't got it to work yet: it may be that
my gear ratios are a little higher than some.

Come to that I never really pay much attention to the setup, as I feel that
my driving skill is normally the limiting factor.

Maybe Monza is one of those places where setup matters more than usual!

by **David Ewin** » Sat, 09 Jun 2001 03:55:21

> why ,why why cant I break this barrier?

A year or two ago I was struggling to break 1:30 at Monza as well.
I downloaded Greger Huttu's Lotus setup and a replay of his lap. The
biggest difference I noticed in his approach was that he upshifted to
third very early in the Parabolica (allows for more traction exiting the
corner before the long front straight). With his setup and using this
technique I was under 1:30 in less than half an hour of practice. A
year, or two, later, I still haven't gotten under 1:29 or in an any
other car besides the Lotus and the Eagle, but it's a start.

Now if I could just get under 2:00 at Rouen (I've got a long way to go).

Dave Ewing

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by **Thom j** » Sat, 09 Jun 2001 08:37:54

Neil since I can not figure your email do you have all of Ian Lake's setups?
I had all his Lotus but somehow they are gone? I guess I deleted them by
mistake?? Also does Ian Lake only do Lotus or is there other chasiss-s??
Email me if you prefer.. Tia.. Thom_j.

| I've used Ian Lake's setup at Monza since I started: I have a replay of
him
| doing it in 1:27.09, so I know it *can* be done!
| On the other hand there may be some much better setups out there!

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by **Super Dav** » Sat, 09 Jun 2001 10:49:30

Lots of practice is the only way to get faster.

I can do a 1:30.59 at Monza with a keyboard using the default Eagle
setup. How? Practice.

Don't give up.

Dave

by **Ale** » Sat, 09 Jun 2001 11:03:14

> On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:45:33 +0100, "Neil Raine"

>>I've always found it rather difficult to take Ascari flat out, unless I
>>get the perfect line into it, and then I'm also having to work hard to
>>avoid turning the wheel too much.

> Clearly a setup problem. With default setup for example it's a lot
> harder than with setups from Monza-Meister Leonardo Grandis.

>>Are you sure you're getting enough speed out of Lesmo 2?

>>I've also checked my laps against the Aliens', and found that I was
>>actually losing time through Ascari.

>>Since then I've improved a bit - have done 1:27.67 in practice, and
>>some high 1:27s in online races.

>>In my experience you can gain time in *all* the corners at Monza, not
>>just Lesmo 2.

> True, my pb is 1:27.36 now. For some reason I loose most time in the
> Para, a couple of tenths.. compared to the aliens my entry to para is
> just as fast, and my exit is just as fast too, but in the slowest
> section of the para I'm losing the time.. I don't understand it, I
> take the same line, but when I give more throttle to compensate the
> loss of speed I immediately loose my car, for my feeling I'm allready
> driving on the edge..

I can barely make low 1:28 and my feelings are that I am driving on
the edge too. 1:27.36 looks to me as an alien time. I can't imagine
how I can make it. Is your setup and replay available somewhere?
I've checked your times at other tracks. Those look human. How
do you go that damn fast at Monza?? :)
That's exactly how I do it. It feels very slow and it IS slow :(

Alex
(alexti)

by **Ale** » Sat, 09 Jun 2001 11:06:06

The same logic here. I hate Spa (actually, Monza too) and I was
punishing myself by running here for the last 10 days with all
kind of setups and cars. If I get decentt laptime I will
forget about that track (at least until my definition of
decent lap time changes:>)

Alex
(alexti)

by **Andre Warrin** » Sat, 09 Jun 2001 16:46:46

Whoohoo, GPL FOREVER!
:D

Andre

by **Neil Rain** » Sat, 09 Jun 2001 18:44:25

I think Ian has given up playing GPL - not sure what he's up to now!

I only have his Lotus setups, and have enclosed his setups for Monza and
Watkins Glen (note to NG police: sorry for the attachments, but they are
very small!).

Aside from those tracks I normally use Greger Huttu's setups (version 1, as
I find the GH2 setups literally undriveable!).

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end

begin 666 il1m03s71.lo1

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end

by **Andre Warrin** » Sat, 09 Jun 2001 19:56:51

>I can barely make low 1:28 and my feelings are that I am driving on
>the edge too. 1:27.36 looks to me as an alien time. I can't imagine
>how I can make it. Is your setup and replay available somewhere?
>I've checked your times at other tracks. Those look human. How
>do you go that damn fast at Monza?? :)

By practicing a lot at Monza :)
Because Monza is one of the easiest tracks to learn, it keeps me
fascinated how people can drive 1:26 laps there, on a track with only
a couple of corners.. And all the practice I do at Monza helps me
understand the car and the setups. If you want my replay and setup,

Andre