rec.autos.simulators

by **Bill Anderso** » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 03:15:42

I downloaded the Nascar 2002 demo and I am having a problem with the track
textures. Here's a couple of screenshots:

http://www.racesimcentral.net/~sir_walleye/NR2002DEMOss003.jpg
http://www.racesimcentral.net/~sir_walleye/NR2002DEMOss006.jpg

The track textures look like ***as I look ahead.

I am running Windows 98SE, Dx8.1, 800x600x16 in D3D and I am using the last
official 3dfx driver
(1.04.01). Nascar 4 runs fine.

Does anyone else have this problem? I have asked before but didn't really
get a satisfactory response. It does it in all resolutions.

I hope the full version doesn't do this!

Thanks.

by **Biz** » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 04:03:55

On one hand, Voodoo graphics support is gone, and your 5500 drivers aren't DX8 compliant, and of
course papy isn't going to provide 3dfx/glide support in any games anymore. You might be able to
try some of the 3rd party drivers that claim to be DX8 and higher compliant that are out there.
N2002 use DX8 based stuff, so if your card doesn't support it, you might want to think about a new
card.
--
Biz

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash

by **bertr** » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 03:56:29

Yes, I had exactly the same experience with the demo. But it happen in the
retail game, so they must have fixed it. I'm running the exact same OS and
video drivers are you.

However, overall, the NR2002 graphics do not appear quite as crisp as N4's, at
least not on my V5500..

> I downloaded the Nascar 2002 demo and I am having a problem with the track
> textures. Here's a couple of screenshots:

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/~sir_walleye/NR2002DEMOss003.jpg
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/~sir_walleye/NR2002DEMOss006.jpg

> The track textures look like ***as I look ahead.

> I am running Windows 98SE, Dx8.1, 800x600x16 in D3D and I am using the last
> official 3dfx driver
> (1.04.01). Nascar 4 runs fine.

> Does anyone else have this problem? I have asked before but didn't really
> get a satisfactory response. It does it in all resolutions.

> I hope the full version doesn't do this!

> Thanks.

by **Jesse Blac** » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 05:38:09

You said on one hand...but you didn't say anything about the other hand...or
is it, on one hand, voodoo graphics support is gone, on the other hand, you
should get a new card? Maybe your person was born with only one hand?

Obviously from BRH's post, V5s work in the final version of the game, so I
don't think Mr. Anderson has anything to worry about. Do you have something
against V5s?

Jesse

by **Bill Anderso** » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 06:55:48

Holly crap..........I guess I'm late. I didn't know the full version was
out!

How is the online racing? I played the 2002 demo and I actually like N4
better. The cars seem easier to drive in the demo. Even the sounds in the
new game sound kinda cheasy to me. Maybe it's just me though. I'm going to
buy it anyway.

Thanks

> Yes, I had exactly the same experience with the demo. But it happen in
the
> retail game, so they must have fixed it. I'm running the exact same OS
and
> video drivers are you.

> However, overall, the NR2002 graphics do not appear quite as crisp as
N4's, at
> least not on my V5500..

> > I downloaded the Nascar 2002 demo and I am having a problem with the
track
> > textures. Here's a couple of screenshots:

> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/~sir_walleye/NR2002DEMOss003.jpg
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/~sir_walleye/NR2002DEMOss006.jpg

> > The track textures look like ***as I look ahead.

> > I am running Windows 98SE, Dx8.1, 800x600x16 in D3D and I am using the
last
> > official 3dfx driver
> > (1.04.01). Nascar 4 runs fine.

> > Does anyone else have this problem? I have asked before but didn't
really
> > get a satisfactory response. It does it in all resolutions.

> > I hope the full version doesn't do this!

> > Thanks.

by **Bill Anderso** » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:11:17

"Do you have something against V5s?"

Hehehe. That's what I thought about that post. Why is it if you own a Voodoo
card and have a small issue, some people (usually Nvidia card owners) are
always suggesting you go buy a new video card? It's seems like people want
to eliminate the world of Voodoo cards. I've even had posts where people act
like they feel sorry for me because I have a Voodoo 5500. One guy even
suggested I get rid of the Voodoo for "a more powerful" Geforce2MX! I
laughed my ass off!

Most of the time the "new" video card suggested is and Nvidia based. Is it
because Nvidia card owners are constantly buying new video cards and
updating drivers on a weekly basis? I don't get it. Nvidia has is the most
successful brainwashing company of all time. They are the Microsoft that
people actually like! Hell Nvidia can come out with a motherboard with
integrated video and sound and hardware people are drooling! Integrated
video! That sucks and people act like Nforce is the greatest thing that ever
happened to hardware!

Anyway thanks to EVERYONE who responded. I'll will upgrade one day BIZ but
I'll try to squeeze a few more miles outta this puppy. I'm sure you'll have
some great suggestions when I do!

by **Joe Schlomo** » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:15:03

On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:15:42 -0600, "Bill Anderson"

>I downloaded the Nascar 2002 demo and I am having a problem with the track
>textures. Here's a couple of screenshots:

>http://www.racesimcentral.net/~sir_walleye/NR2002DEMOss003.jpg
>http://www.racesimcentral.net/~sir_walleye/NR2002DEMOss006.jpg

>The track textures look like ***as I look ahead.

>I am running Windows 98SE, Dx8.1, 800x600x16 in D3D and I am using the last
>official 3dfx driver
>(1.04.01). Nascar 4 runs fine.

>Does anyone else have this problem? I have asked before but didn't really
>get a satisfactory response. It does it in all resolutions.

>I hope the full version doesn't do this!

>Thanks.

Bill, the full version is better, however, it still has some video
problems with the Voodoo 5. The walls have odd colors and the lines
around the inside of the track either white or yellow, have odd
coloring to them also. Papy
has said that since 3dfx no longer exists, they doubt there will be a
fix for the Voodoo cards. Some have gotten good results with 32 bit
color and openGL, but they don't work for me either. The weird colors
are still there. I switched to a GeForce 4 MX 440, but then had
lock-up problems. Swapped that for a GeForce 3 TI 200, and still had
lock-ups. Tried several different drivers, same results. I have since
put the Voodoo 5 back in, and everything runs, but the colors are
messed up again.

So, the short answer is, I think the colors are better, but still not
perfect. Some tracks seem to be worse than others though.

Dennis

by **bertr** » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:01:02

Whoops... Sorry for the typo.

I meant to say that it does NOT happen in the retail game......

> Yes, I had exactly the same experience with the demo. But it happen in the
> retail game, so they must have fixed it. I'm running the exact same OS and
> video drivers are you.

> However, overall, the NR2002 graphics do not appear quite as crisp as N4's, at
> least not on my V5500..

> > I downloaded the Nascar 2002 demo and I am having a problem with the track
> > textures. Here's a couple of screenshots:

> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/~sir_walleye/NR2002DEMOss003.jpg
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/~sir_walleye/NR2002DEMOss006.jpg

> > The track textures look like ***as I look ahead.

> > I am running Windows 98SE, Dx8.1, 800x600x16 in D3D and I am using the last
> > official 3dfx driver
> > (1.04.01). Nascar 4 runs fine.

> > Does anyone else have this problem? I have asked before but didn't really
> > get a satisfactory response. It does it in all resolutions.

> > I hope the full version doesn't do this!

> > Thanks.

by **Biz** » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:02:21

I have nothing against Voodoo cards at all except that new games don't come with 3dfx/glide support
anymore. I had one and loved it for GPL, N3, etc....But truthfully I find their performance a
little poor in d3d and OpenGL compared to newer cards. I would love to be able to play N4/NR2002
with 3dfx/Glide support but I'm a realist and see its probably time to move on.

--
Biz

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash

> You said on one hand...but you didn't say anything about the other hand...or
> is it, on one hand, voodoo graphics support is gone, on the other hand, you
> should get a new card? Maybe your person was born with only one hand?

> Obviously from BRH's post, V5s work in the final version of the game, so I
> don't think Mr. Anderson has anything to worry about. Do you have something
> against V5s?

> Jesse

by **Biz** » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:04:49

I made no new card recommendation, and if you check my other reply you will see I had one and moved
on becuase no new 3d games have glide support and the OpenGL and d3d performance is poor compared to
newer cards. I actually thought my first reply was pretty decent and not flaming or rude in any
way.
--
Biz

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash

> "Do you have something against V5s?"

> Hehehe. That's what I thought about that post. Why is it if you own a Voodoo
> card and have a small issue, some people (usually Nvidia card owners) are
> always suggesting you go buy a new video card? It's seems like people want
> to eliminate the world of Voodoo cards. I've even had posts where people act
> like they feel sorry for me because I have a Voodoo 5500. One guy even
> suggested I get rid of the Voodoo for "a more powerful" Geforce2MX! I
> laughed my ass off!

> Most of the time the "new" video card suggested is and Nvidia based. Is it
> because Nvidia card owners are constantly buying new video cards and
> updating drivers on a weekly basis? I don't get it. Nvidia has is the most
> successful brainwashing company of all time. They are the Microsoft that
> people actually like! Hell Nvidia can come out with a motherboard with
> integrated video and sound and hardware people are drooling! Integrated
> video! That sucks and people act like Nforce is the greatest thing that ever
> happened to hardware!

> Anyway thanks to EVERYONE who responded. I'll will upgrade one day BIZ but
> I'll try to squeeze a few more miles outta this puppy. I'm sure you'll have
> some great suggestions when I do!

> > You said on one hand...but you didn't say anything about the other
> hand...or
> > is it, on one hand, voodoo graphics support is gone, on the other hand,
> you
> > should get a new card? Maybe your person was born with only one hand?

> > Obviously from BRH's post, V5s work in the final version of the game, so I
> > don't think Mr. Anderson has anything to worry about. Do you have
> something
> > against V5s?

> > Jesse

by **Kevin Kin** » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:50:53

http://gamershq.madonion.com/news/?newsarticle=200202/2002022400#2002...
022400

> "Do you have something against V5s?"

> Hehehe. That's what I thought about that post. Why is it if you own a
Voodoo
> card and have a small issue, some people (usually Nvidia card owners) are
> always suggesting you go buy a new video card? It's seems like people want
> to eliminate the world of Voodoo cards. I've even had posts where people
act
> like they feel sorry for me because I have a Voodoo 5500. One guy even
> suggested I get rid of the Voodoo for "a more powerful" Geforce2MX! I
> laughed my ass off!

> Most of the time the "new" video card suggested is and Nvidia based. Is it
> because Nvidia card owners are constantly buying new video cards and
> updating drivers on a weekly basis? I don't get it. Nvidia has is the most
> successful brainwashing company of all time. They are the Microsoft that
> people actually like! Hell Nvidia can come out with a motherboard with
> integrated video and sound and hardware people are drooling! Integrated
> video! That sucks and people act like Nforce is the greatest thing that
ever
> happened to hardware!

> Anyway thanks to EVERYONE who responded. I'll will upgrade one day BIZ but
> I'll try to squeeze a few more miles outta this puppy. I'm sure you'll
have
> some great suggestions when I do!

> > You said on one hand...but you didn't say anything about the other
> hand...or
> > is it, on one hand, voodoo graphics support is gone, on the other hand,
> you
> > should get a new card? Maybe your person was born with only one hand?

> > Obviously from BRH's post, V5s work in the final version of the game, so
I
> > don't think Mr. Anderson has anything to worry about. Do you have
> something
> > against V5s?

> > Jesse

by **Bill Anderso** » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:55:27

Thanks for your response. I really didn't mean anything by it. I just don't
know how many times I've been told I should get another video card. That's
not an option for me right now though. If you read the end of my post you
will see that I thanked you :-) Sorry if I said something I shouldn't have.
I appreciate your help.

BTW. What video card are you using and how does it run?

will see I had one and moved
performance is poor compared to
flaming or rude in any

> way.
> --
> Biz

> "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
> the....." - Ash

> > "Do you have something against V5s?"

> > Hehehe. That's what I thought about that post. Why is it if you own a
Voodoo
> > card and have a small issue, some people (usually Nvidia card owners)
are
> > always suggesting you go buy a new video card? It's seems like people
want
> > to eliminate the world of Voodoo cards. I've even had posts where people
act
> > like they feel sorry for me because I have a Voodoo 5500. One guy even
> > suggested I get rid of the Voodoo for "a more powerful" Geforce2MX! I
> > laughed my ass off!

> > Most of the time the "new" video card suggested is and Nvidia based. Is
it
> > because Nvidia card owners are constantly buying new video cards and
> > updating drivers on a weekly basis? I don't get it. Nvidia has is the
most
> > successful brainwashing company of all time. They are the Microsoft that
> > people actually like! Hell Nvidia can come out with a motherboard with
> > integrated video and sound and hardware people are drooling! Integrated
> > video! That sucks and people act like Nforce is the greatest thing that
ever
> > happened to hardware!

> > Anyway thanks to EVERYONE who responded. I'll will upgrade one day BIZ
but
> > I'll try to squeeze a few more miles outta this puppy. I'm sure you'll
have
> > some great suggestions when I do!

> > > You said on one hand...but you didn't say anything about the other
> > hand...or
> > > is it, on one hand, voodoo graphics support is gone, on the other
hand,
> > you
> > > should get a new card? Maybe your person was born with only one hand?

> > > Obviously from BRH's post, V5s work in the final version of the game,
so I
> > > don't think Mr. Anderson has anything to worry about. Do you have
> > something
> > > against V5s?

> > > Jesse

by **Bill Anderso** » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:10:07

"Papy has said that since 3dfx no longer exists, they doubt there will be a
fix for the Voodoo cards."

Well I am seriously considering not buying Nascar 2002 now. I am not going
to pay for their game and a new $200 video card just to play it! It will be
the first game I haven't bought from Papy since Nascar 1 if I don't buy. I
am a little disappointed at Papy. After playing the demo, I am a little
disappointed anyway. Other people are still making games that play fine on
the Voodoo 5500, I don't see why papy can't. It's either new game and no new
hardware or new hardware and no new game here. I think I'll go without
either for the time being. I have a feeling some issues will be addressed in
a future patch because I'm sure Papy will get sick of the letters.

I just can't see why Papy can't make a game that looks better instead of
worse than the previous version. GPL still looks great, but N4 looked kinda
crappy IMO. Nascar 2002 is a little better but none of them hold a candle to
Nascar Heat.

Thanks everyone for the help.

> On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:15:42 -0600, "Bill Anderson"

> >I downloaded the Nascar 2002 demo and I am having a problem with the
track
> >textures. Here's a couple of screenshots:

> >http://www.racesimcentral.net/~sir_walleye/NR2002DEMOss003.jpg
> >http://www.racesimcentral.net/~sir_walleye/NR2002DEMOss006.jpg

> >The track textures look like ***as I look ahead.

> >I am running Windows 98SE, Dx8.1, 800x600x16 in D3D and I am using the
last
> >official 3dfx driver
> >(1.04.01). Nascar 4 runs fine.

> >Does anyone else have this problem? I have asked before but didn't really
> >get a satisfactory response. It does it in all resolutions.

> >I hope the full version doesn't do this!

> >Thanks.

> Bill, the full version is better, however, it still has some video
> problems with the Voodoo 5. The walls have odd colors and the lines
> around the inside of the track either white or yellow, have odd
> coloring to them also. Papy
> has said that since 3dfx no longer exists, they doubt there will be a
> fix for the Voodoo cards. Some have gotten good results with 32 bit
> color and openGL, but they don't work for me either. The weird colors
> are still there. I switched to a GeForce 4 MX 440, but then had
> lock-up problems. Swapped that for a GeForce 3 TI 200, and still had
> lock-ups. Tried several different drivers, same results. I have since
> put the Voodoo 5 back in, and everything runs, but the colors are
> messed up again.

> So, the short answer is, I think the colors are better, but still not
> perfect. Some tracks seem to be worse than others though.

> Dennis

by **Joe Schlomo** » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:32:41

On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:10:07 GMT, "Bill Anderson"

>"Papy has said that since 3dfx no longer exists, they doubt there will be a
>fix for the Voodoo cards."

>Well I am seriously considering not buying Nascar 2002 now. I am not going
>to pay for their game and a new $200 video card just to play it! It will be
>the first game I haven't bought from Papy since Nascar 1 if I don't buy. I
>am a little disappointed at Papy. After playing the demo, I am a little
>disappointed anyway. Other people are still making games that play fine on
>the Voodoo 5500, I don't see why papy can't. It's either new game and no new
>hardware or new hardware and no new game here. I think I'll go without
>either for the time being. I have a feeling some issues will be addressed in
>a future patch because I'm sure Papy will get sick of the letters.

>I just can't see why Papy can't make a game that looks better instead of
>worse than the previous version. GPL still looks great, but N4 looked kinda
>crappy IMO. Nascar 2002 is a little better but none of them hold a candle to
>Nascar Heat.

>Thanks everyone for the help.

Bill, I didn't mean to talk you into not buying the game, it is
actually very good. The video problems are much improved over the
demo, the colors are limited to the walls and the painted lines in the
track. I have gotten pretty much used to it, I guess. I wish I had a
web page to post a screen shot so you could see for yourself.

I'm sure someone will figure out how to fix the video problems
eventually.

Dennis

by **Biz** » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:02:50

I didn't have alot of cash to replace it with either so at the time I bought a GF2 MX400. Since I
only have a PIII800, this was plenty of card and it was under a $100. If I knew I was going to be
upgrading the machine in the next 4-6 months(which I"m not), I probably would have opted for a GF3
Ti200, but it would have been wasted on this box so why spend the extra money? Don't get me wrong I
loved my Voodoo, but it was becoming useless to me as everyone seemed out to obsolete it(and
succeeded).

--
Biz

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash

> Thanks for your response. I really didn't mean anything by it. I just don't
> know how many times I've been told I should get another video card. That's
> not an option for me right now though. If you read the end of my post you
> will see that I thanked you :-) Sorry if I said something I shouldn't have.
> I appreciate your help.

> BTW. What video card are you using and how does it run?

> > I made no new card recommendation, and if you check my other reply you
> will see I had one and moved
> > on becuase no new 3d games have glide support and the OpenGL and d3d
> performance is poor compared to
> > newer cards. I actually thought my first reply was pretty decent and not
> flaming or rude in any
> > way.
> > --
> > Biz

> > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
> > the....." - Ash

> > > "Do you have something against V5s?"

> > > Hehehe. That's what I thought about that post. Why is it if you own a
> Voodoo
> > > card and have a small issue, some people (usually Nvidia card owners)
> are
> > > always suggesting you go buy a new video card? It's seems like people
> want
> > > to eliminate the world of Voodoo cards. I've even had posts where people
> act
> > > like they feel sorry for me because I have a Voodoo 5500. One guy even
> > > suggested I get rid of the Voodoo for "a more powerful" Geforce2MX! I
> > > laughed my ass off!

> > > Most of the time the "new" video card suggested is and Nvidia based. Is
> it
> > > because Nvidia card owners are constantly buying new video cards and
> > > updating drivers on a weekly basis? I don't get it. Nvidia has is the
> most
> > > successful brainwashing company of all time. They are the Microsoft that
> > > people actually like! Hell Nvidia can come out with a motherboard with
> > > integrated video and sound and hardware people are drooling! Integrated
> > > video! That sucks and people act like Nforce is the greatest thing that
> ever
> > > happened to hardware!

> > > Anyway thanks to EVERYONE who responded. I'll will upgrade one day BIZ
> but
> > > I'll try to squeeze a few more miles outta this puppy. I'm sure you'll
> have
> > > some great suggestions when I do!

> > > > You said on one hand...but you didn't say anything about the other
> > > hand...or
> > > > is it, on one hand, voodoo graphics support is gone, on the other
> hand,
> > > you
> > > > should get a new card? Maybe your person was born with only one hand?

> > > > Obviously from BRH's post, V5s work in the final version of the game,
> so I
> > > > don't think Mr. Anderson has anything to worry about. Do you have
> > > something
> > > > against V5s?

> > > > Jesse

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