rec.autos.simulators

by **news** » Sun, 03 Dec 2006 05:47:22

co-worker wants to buy a Logitech G25 and wants to know what games to
get to go with it. I like my racing realistic... so much that I've been
racing a real dirt car for the last couple of years... so I've not
simmed much since about the time the rFactor demo came out...

What would be the best 5 picks for him to buy (and why?)
He wants realism, but maybe not quite "real" realism if you know what I
mean. :)

(and how about for me? What's the best of the best driving sims out
there for how the car drives.... graphics be dammed... I want the car to
feel like a real car would.)

I'm open to all types - oval, road, rally, pointy cars, even Need for
Speed if it's good enough. (uh... yeah... somehow I doubt any NFS is
going to be even close to realistic enough for me after a couple years
of getting real mud in my face.)

Ray

by **jwilson5** » Sun, 03 Dec 2006 06:31:14

> co-worker wants to buy a Logitech G25 and wants to know what games to
> get to go with it. I like my racing realistic... so much that I've been
> racing a real dirt car for the last couple of years... so I've not
> simmed much since about the time the rFactor demo came out...

> What would be the best 5 picks for him to buy (and why?)
> He wants realism, but maybe not quite "real" realism if you know what I
> mean. :)

> (and how about for me? What's the best of the best driving sims out
> there for how the car drives.... graphics be dammed... I want the car to
> feel like a real car would.)

> I'm open to all types - oval, road, rally, pointy cars, even Need for
> Speed if it's good enough. (uh... yeah... somehow I doubt any NFS is
> going to be even close to realistic enough for me after a couple years
> of getting real mud in my face.)

> Ray

nascar 2003 season is realistic enough for a good majority of nascar
drivers :)

by **evente..** » Sun, 03 Dec 2006 06:33:07

> co-worker wants to buy a Logitech G25 and wants to know what games to
> get to go with it. I like my racing realistic... so much that I've been
> racing a real dirt car for the last couple of years... so I've not
> simmed much since about the time the rFactor demo came out...

[snip]

You don't spec out the rigs you have, but if you have decent hardware
(IMHO of course):

-GT Legends
-GTR2
-rFactor
-Richard Burns Rally

All in no particular order. Those are the only *must haves* in my
opinion, out of what you can easily buy today. Jury is still out on
RACE, the new Simbin touring car sim - you can get soming similar with
the ETCC mod for rFactor.
My sentimental favorite for #5 has to be GPL - with all the eye-candy
and sound updates, it still has such a unique and complete feel that
I'm sure it will never leave my hard drive. And with the shifter and
clutch, its one of the few sims that can setup to *require* clutching
on shifts.

HTH,
Kendt

by **pdot..** » Sun, 03 Dec 2006 06:35:33

If you could only have one sim, the rFactor is the way to go. The
sheer magnitude of the mod options is incredible. You can drive
practically any type of car on any track. There are even some dirt
racing options.

For pure realism, Netkar Pro is supposedly the way to go. I tried the
demo and was intrigued. Talk of all the problems (bugs, poor online
performance) has kept me from jumping in with both feet. Well, that
and the fact that rFactor is so good.

Other than that, for current sims you are looking at GTR, GTR2, or GTL.
Those are probably a lot easier for a new sim racer to get into.
There are also some rally choices, but I don't know anything about
those. If oval racing is desired, I would start searching for a copy
of N2003.

Pat Dotson

> co-worker wants to buy a Logitech G25 and wants to know what games to
> get to go with it. I like my racing realistic... so much that I've been
> racing a real dirt car for the last couple of years... so I've not
> simmed much since about the time the rFactor demo came out...

> What would be the best 5 picks for him to buy (and why?)
> He wants realism, but maybe not quite "real" realism if you know what I
> mean. :)

> (and how about for me? What's the best of the best driving sims out
> there for how the car drives.... graphics be dammed... I want the car to
> feel like a real car would.)

> I'm open to all types - oval, road, rally, pointy cars, even Need for
> Speed if it's good enough. (uh... yeah... somehow I doubt any NFS is
> going to be even close to realistic enough for me after a couple years
> of getting real mud in my face.)

> Ray

by **news** » Sun, 03 Dec 2006 06:54:30

>> co-worker wants to buy a Logitech G25 and wants to know what games to
>> get to go with it. I like my racing realistic... so much that I've been
>> racing a real dirt car for the last couple of years... so I've not
>> simmed much since about the time the rFactor demo came out...

> [snip]

> You don't spec out the rigs you have, but if you have decent hardware
> (IMHO of course):

> -GT Legends
> -GTR2
> -rFactor
> -Richard Burns Rally

> All in no particular order. Those are the only *must haves* in my
> opinion, out of what you can easily buy today. Jury is still out on
> RACE, the new Simbin touring car sim - you can get soming similar with
> the ETCC mod for rFactor.
> My sentimental favorite for #5 has to be GPL - with all the eye-candy
> and sound updates, it still has such a unique and complete feel that
> I'm sure it will never leave my hard drive. And with the shifter and
> clutch, its one of the few sims that can setup to *require* clutching
> on shifts.

> HTH,
> Kendt

That's close to what I sent to him:
NASCAR Racing 2003 - probably the best NASCAR style one.
Live for Speed
GTR ( starforce )
rFactor
Grand Prix Legends... old, and extremely difficult. 1967 F1 cars. With
1967 tires. And no downforce.
richard burns rally - rally cars
Dirt Track Racer 2

I'm waiting for him to get the G25 so I can try it and justify it. :)

btw... my *** rig is an A64 3000/512MB/GeForce 6200, so it's not
totally out of date... :)

Ray

by **jason moye** » Sun, 03 Dec 2006 07:28:50

> What would be the best 5 picks for him to buy (and why?)
> He wants realism, but maybe not quite "real" realism if you know what I
> mean. :)

GTR2
GT Legends
Nascar Racing 2003 Season
Richard Burns Rally

Nothing else is worth bothering with at this point in time, altho if
he's into nostalgia Grand Prix Legends isn't that bad.

by **Dave** » Sun, 03 Dec 2006 07:49:24

>> What would be the best 5 picks for him to buy (and why?)
>> He wants realism, but maybe not quite "real" realism if you know what I
>> mean. :)

> GTR2
> GT Legends
> Nascar Racing 2003 Season
> Richard Burns Rally

> Nothing else is worth bothering with at this point in time, altho if
> he's into nostalgia Grand Prix Legends isn't that bad.

No rFactor? You've got to be f**king kidding, although i did see your avatar
at RSC....which makes no sense.

CTDP F1 for rFactor is the most fantastic ride I've ever had in sim racing.
Pure bliss.
--
David G Fisher

by AT » Sun, 03 Dec 2006 07:48:34

> > What would be the best 5 picks for him to buy (and why?)
> > He wants realism, but maybe not quite "real" realism if you know what I
> > mean. :)

> GTR2
> GT Legends
> Nascar Racing 2003 Season
> Richard Burns Rally

> Nothing else is worth bothering with at this point in time, altho if
> he's into nostalgia Grand Prix Legends isn't that bad.

"Isn't that bad", rather like a vicar saying that the bible's not a bad
read. GPL was seminal and no doubt influenced the drive for more realistic
physics in the subsequent sims. It breathed life into this NG for so many
years and got myself and many others interested in racing sims. Even after 8
years it's still one of the most inspirational and involving sims.

by **Milo Johnso** » Sun, 03 Dec 2006 08:06:55

>>> What would be the best 5 picks for him to buy (and why?)
>>> He wants realism, but maybe not quite "real" realism if you know what I
>>> mean. :)

>> GTR2
>> GT Legends
>> Nascar Racing 2003 Season
>> Richard Burns Rally

>> Nothing else is worth bothering with at this point in time, altho if
>> he's into nostalgia Grand Prix Legends isn't that bad.

> No rFactor? You've got to be f**king kidding, although i did see your
> avatar at RSC....which makes no sense.

> CTDP F1 for rFactor is the most fantastic ride I've ever had in sim
> racing. Pure bliss.
> --
> David G Fisher

Race is great game for online racing. It is rather new and some people don't
care for it mostly because the title at this point is not moddable and you
are supposed to have a Steam Subscription to race online.
But, if you like closer racing than GTR2 or GTL which I also like very much
Race is the online game and offline the AI is pretty darn good.
There also is RFactor which has a very wide variety of mods for it so if
there is not a dedicated game for a certain kind of racing the chances of
RFactor having it are very good.
There are some very good mods for RFactor and some very bad ones which just
take up disk space and some are hard to uninstall so be fairly careful about
what you download.
RFactor Central has reviews of the biggest share of the mods so if you get
RFactor that is definitely the place to start getting setup.

MILO

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by **Milo Johnso** » Sun, 03 Dec 2006 08:14:17

>>>> What would be the best 5 picks for him to buy (and why?)
>>>> He wants realism, but maybe not quite "real" realism if you know what I
>>>> mean. :)

>>> GTR2
>>> GT Legends
>>> Nascar Racing 2003 Season
>>> Richard Burns Rally

>>> Nothing else is worth bothering with at this point in time, altho if
>>> he's into nostalgia Grand Prix Legends isn't that bad.

>> No rFactor? You've got to be f**king kidding, although i did see your
>> avatar at RSC....which makes no sense.

>> CTDP F1 for rFactor is the most fantastic ride I've ever had in sim
>> racing. Pure bliss.
>> --
>> David G Fisher

> Race is great game for online racing. It is rather new and some people
> don't care for it mostly because the title at this point is not moddable
> and you are supposed to have a Steam Subscription to race online.
> But, if you like closer racing than GTR2 or GTL which I also like very
> much Race is the online game and offline the AI is pretty darn good.
> There also is RFactor which has a very wide variety of mods for it so if
> there is not a dedicated game for a certain kind of racing the chances of
> RFactor having it are very good.
> There are some very good mods for RFactor and some very bad ones which
> just take up disk space and some are hard to uninstall so be fairly
> careful about what you download.
> RFactor Central has reviews of the biggest share of the mods so if you get
> RFactor that is definitely the place to start getting setup.

> MILO
>>ps: Also there is the sim that seperates the men from the boys and still
>>has a large user group.

That game is the father and grandfather of all our racing sims today or at
least the ones I play!
GPL is still the King!!!

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by **jason moye** » Sun, 03 Dec 2006 11:11:56

> CTDP F1 for rFactor is the most fantastic ride I've ever had in sim racing.
> Pure bliss.

Can't stand it. Not meaning any disrespect to your opinion, of course.

by **jason moye** » Sun, 03 Dec 2006 11:20:21

> "Isn't that bad", rather like a vicar saying that the bible's not a bad
> read. GPL was seminal and no doubt influenced the drive for more realistic
> physics in the subsequent sims. It breathed life into this NG for so many
> years and got myself and many others interested in racing sims. Even after 8
> years it's still one of the most inspirational and involving sims.

No doubt it was a breakthrough and really pushed the genre forward.
It's also incredibly dated and not particularly realistic. It also set
the horrible standard that some developers still seem to follow where
making the car hard to drive way below the limit is a good thing, when
in reality driving most racecars (aside from ones that handled like a
3-legged table, i.e. the Cosworth 4WD F1 car or the Parnelli Jones
X-wing Indycar) below the limit isn't a big deal.

by **Dave** » Sun, 03 Dec 2006 12:09:09

>> CTDP F1 for rFactor is the most fantastic ride I've ever had in sim
>> racing.
>> Pure bliss.

> Can't stand it. Not meaning any disrespect to your opinion, of course.

Why do you dislike it so much?

--
David G Fisher

by **jason moye** » Sun, 03 Dec 2006 13:31:01

> Why do you dislike it so much?

That's a tough thing to quantify. Ultimately, I just don't find it
particularly convincing I guess. I think the CTDP guys put a lot of
effort into their mod and it's waaaay better than the ISI-made open
wheelers, it just doesn't do it for me for whatever reason. In general
I find it very difficult to understand what the car and tires are doing
in response to my inputs in rFactor (and also F1C/F1200x). For
whatever reason I never had that problem in SCGT and I don't have it in
GTL/GTR2.

by **Larr** » Sun, 03 Dec 2006 16:03:03

NR2003, if it can be found.
GPL, if it can be found.
rFactor.
GTR2.

That's about all I come close to caring for these days.

-Larry

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