rec.autos.simulators

> 1) rFactor- has just about every car you can imagine to race. Probably the
> most complete sim out to date.

> 2) NR2003- best NASCAR sim to date.

> 3) GTR2- probably the best driving physics in a sim.

> 4) GPL- dated, but still a charm. Once mastered nothing rewards the driver
> more than actually racing for real.

> 5) F1 2002- easiest F1 sim out of all of, but still a lot of fun.

> of course this is all subjective and just an opinon.

>> Jason, Remco, and Larry............I've got to be blunt and
>> say........it's
>> YOU.

> Pretty much yeah.  After all we're discussing opinions here for the
> most part and not facts.  There are certain facts that help me form my
> opinion (like rFactor missing features that are in Simbin products and
> being based entirely around amateur content) but it's my opinion and I
> certainly wouldn't expect you to share it.  Especially not after we had
> the same damn brawls over F1 2000/F1 2000CS/F1 2001/F1 2002/F1C.

> Either your wheels aren't set up correctly for the sim, or you have bad
> setups (or both).

> If the cars feel like they are on ice, or not connected to the road, or
> there isn't enough feedback, it isn't the sim, it's you. This isn't a matter
> of personal feel or agreeing to disagree, but it's somehting that can be
> easily be proven. I'm not blowing my own horn, but I have some of the
> fastest times you'll find anywhere with the CTDP F1 mod. These F1 cars are
> the perfect shoice to disprove what you claim because they have to be driven
> exactly like the real drivers do in F1 or you lose massive amounts of time.
> It is simply impossible to run a clean, realistic looking 118.3 at
> Silverstone, 128.5 at Shakir, 111.4 at Montreal, 127.3 at Nuerburgring, or a
> 129.2 at Suzuka without being extremely precise. My replays look as if the
> car is on rails, and there is no wild sawwing back and forth at the wheel.
> Smooth and precise, and the car looks GLUED to the road because it's taken
> to the very limit, but never over. That's the only way you can be fast. GPL
> style driving will get you absolutely nowhere. Never in a million years
> could anyone look at one of my replays and say it looks like I'm driving on
> ice. No one could ever come close to those times in these F1 cars if the car
> felt loose, and with little feedback. Can't be done. The amount of feedback
> I get from the car is massive. Any tiny change in the setup and I can
> instantly feel it.

> Now how can I or anyone do those times, and they look like they do in
> replays, if the sim feels and drives like you say?? It's impossible.

> I don't know what wheels you use and what settings you've chosen in the
> controller screen, but they've got to be wrong. The setups must be poor.
> What's funny is that no one hates a loose feeling car more than me. If what
> you guys say is true, I'd be the first one to delete rFactor from my hard
> drive.

> I don't race with a gamepad (I have a TSW with high grade pots and USB
> interface) on a P133 either, just in case you asked ;)

> Mr. P

>> Jason, Remco, and Larry............I've got to be blunt and
>> say........it's YOU.

>> Either your wheels aren't set up correctly for the sim, or you have bad
>> setups (or both).

>> If the cars feel like they are on ice, or not connected to the road, or
>> there isn't enough feedback, it isn't the sim, it's you. This isn't a
>> matter of personal feel or agreeing to disagree, but it's somehting that
>> can be easily be proven. I'm not blowing my own horn, but I have some of
>> the fastest times you'll find anywhere with the CTDP F1 mod. These F1
>> cars are the perfect shoice to disprove what you claim because they have
>> to be driven exactly like the real drivers do in F1 or you lose massive
>> amounts of time. It is simply impossible to run a clean, realistic
>> looking 118.3 at Silverstone, 128.5 at Shakir, 111.4 at Montreal, 127.3
>> at Nuerburgring, or a 129.2 at Suzuka without being extremely precise. My
>> replays look as if the car is on rails, and there is no wild sawwing back
>> and forth at the wheel. Smooth and precise, and the car looks GLUED to
>> the road because it's taken to the very limit, but never over. That's the
>> only way you can be fast. GPL style driving will get you absolutely
>> nowhere. Never in a million years could anyone look at one of my replays
>> and say it looks like I'm driving on ice. No one could ever come close to
>> those times in these F1 cars if the car felt loose, and with little
>> feedback. Can't be done. The amount of feedback I get from the car is
>> massive. Any tiny change in the setup and I can instantly feel it.

>> Now how can I or anyone do those times, and they look like they do in
>> replays, if the sim feels and drives like you say?? It's impossible.

>> I don't know what wheels you use and what settings you've chosen in the
>> controller screen, but they've got to be wrong. The setups must be poor.
>> What's funny is that no one hates a loose feeling car more than me. If
>> what you guys say is true, I'd be the first one to delete rFactor from my
>> hard drive.

> Sounds impossible.

>>Ed

> Yup, and they won't allow me to specify UPS or Fedex.  They are on the
> is DHL kick now and I can't take it any more!  I had a parcel
> cancelled and returned by DHL because I ordered it 2nd day because
> there was going to be no one home Thanksgiving week and I did not want
> the package to get damaged on my front porch by the winds, snow, and
> rain here in Montana!  I am waiting for them to credit my credit card.

> Plus, I have to spend lots of time on the phone with DHL trying to
> track down the packages.  Those idiots simply don't have a clue.  They
> should be in another business!  The last time I ordered 2nd day it was
> also shipped via DHL and about 4 business days later and an unmarked
> old white van with some homeless looking woman with missing teeth and
> unbrushed hair with a torn DHL shirt on showed up to deliver it! :-)