would you be willing to share your dfp ff settings for rFactor? Could
you post them here so I can give them a try on my setup?
cheers, uwe
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> Come to think of it, have you ever seen Fisher and Schumacher in the
> same picture?
Uwe
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The sad thing about GTR2, while I'm ranting, is that people are
blasting it for compromises that had to be made to the physics -
compromises necessitated by the limitations of ISI's engine. The 2 big
complaints involve the tire slip angles and the lack of downforce loss
due to yaw being applied to the wings. 2 areas that, after 8 years of
sim development, still cannot be modelled to any reasonable degree in
an ISI engine. The whole "speed at which grip drops to half" cheap-ass
hack is nice and all, but it wouldn't be necessary if they built a real
tire model that could handle the changes in the behavior of tires at
various speeds. Likewise, I still can't fathom how it's impossible to
model anything but a linear relationship between yaw and downforce.
Surely it wouldn't be that hard to implement definable curves for that?
You know, so you could model how an actual aerodynamic device works.
Anyway, good luck with rfactor and all that. If you manage to find an
incar video of an open wheel sim where the steering wheel movement is
anywhere near this, let me know:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dQsA_3sg1U
(agree with your post, tho)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDTKo8tPoU
>> I ran the Megane mod at R.A.C.E.R. recently and mistakenly chose the
>> wrong
>> ff option in the upgrades section. The car felt disconnected from the
>> road,
>> and I was 2 seconds off the pace at WG Long. Later I went back and
>> changed
>> the setting and the car felt great and I found those two seconds and a
>> little bit more immediately. It was MY fault that the car didn't feel
>> right
>> and I was struggling, not the sim.
> I've never used FF in any sim, and I've never felt disconnected with
> any Kaemmer produced sim, nor RBR/GTL/GTR2. I guess it's my fault that
> you need FF to know what the hell the car is doing in ISI open
> wheelers, because somehow I made them incapable of producing a car
> that responds in a predictable manner or provides any non-FF tactile
> feedback.
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I took the Ferrari, set it up with a 2006 qualifing setup, and purposely
made a lap which is less than .1 quicker than Schumacher's 2006 pole time .
Looks identical except I ran a little wider at Alta. If you made one of
those split screen comparisons between his lap and my sim lap it would
practically be a mirror image. I'd do it myself but I don't have the
software or the know how. You're welcome to it.
You need to know that when watching a replay in rFactor that the wheel you
see on the car is set at 270 degrees. If I made a replay using 900 degrees
steering rotations with my DFP and *** the wheel all over the place,
you'd still see very little movement in the replay on your computer. Change
the "Steering wheel range" in your controller file to about 440 and you'll
see wheel movement in a replay that more closely resembles a F1 car. Many
simmers have wheels locked at 270 degrees, and they also use a high steering
lock in their setups so the wheel doesn't move nearly as much as a real
driver's. That doesn't mean they aren't making a lot of corrections. A real
F1 driver could never use a setup like that because 4.5 G's would make it
impossible to have such a sensitive touch on the wheel.
In those videos, Schumacher and Albers made mistakes and the tires broke
loose. That's why they had to make such huge corrections. It wasn't their
technique for fast lap times. If Schumacher didn't make that msitake at
Rivazza, he would have had a faster lap. I've made a million saves like that
over the past months in CTDP F1. I have no idea why you think it's
impossible, other than your wheel isn't setup correctly and/or you have bad
setups.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk2p2nRK-p4
The comparison between Herbert and Schumacher in the middle of bridge
corner is pretty interesting. I'm highly skeptical that Schumacher's
sawing at the wheel in the middle of the corner would be a viable means
of driving an ISI F1 car, and if someone did manage to keep the car
from snap-spinning I'm guessing they wouldn't be 0.2 seconds up on
someone driving smoothly.
> I wonder how difficult it would be to convert Mobil 1 stages over to
> Driver's Republic (the new sim from the RBR physics programmer).
> Hmmmmmmmmmm...
