rec.autos.simulators

Hank

It is probably the nature of the genere. If a racing sim were
done acurately (like GPL) it would certainly rival flightsims
in the physics department. However quality flightsims have
good coordination (at least decent) with wingmen or even
flights. Falcon 4 has fantastic background radio chatter which
IMHO adds to the immersion. Racing sims have very sparse
radio chatter. The UBISOFT and Nascar series of racing sims
have some radio chatter, but nowhere near the same.

Also, racing sims require about 1000% more attention than
flightsims do. Ariel battle is essentially hours of boredome
puncuated by seconds of terror. Racing on the other hand
really required 100% attention all the time. I've had many
races in F1RS where I am doing great. Then someone
comes into the room and tries talking to me. BOOM
I lose concentration and crash. I guess what I am saying
is you are so concentrated with driving, you don't have
time to fiddle with little things like you do in flightsims.

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  I would love to have,

  I agree Hank.  Flight sims took a big step up for my enjoyment when
they started allowing taxing before the flight.  Imagine a racing sim
where you not only drove into the pits, but also into the garage area.
  Imagine the debates here if we got a sim that actually had a garage
area, but had the computer drive us in.  :)
  How about a bank of switches that controlled the standby electrical
systems?  Couldn't electrical failures be modeld?  then we would
'intereact' with our working enviroment.  Many other items such as this
could be in place.  In road racing sims, we could adjust the brake bias
etc.  I believe the ammount of things we DON't get to do in a racing sim
is staggering
dave henrie

If you want the ultimate in realism grab the Flight Sim "Fly!" by
Terminal Reality. Set everything to full real including mixutres and
engine starting sequence, etc.  Then start up the Hawker Raytheon 800
from scratch. It's about 2 pages worth of steps.. though they don't
quite let it get real enough for you to blow the turbofan apart.. it
still takes a while. :) You even have to worry about whether or not yo
uhave enough battery power to do it.  Unlike the Flight Unlimited
series (I have II & III) you don't have the overly annoying tower
unless youw ant it and in Fly it's a lot easier to deal with.  VERY
good sim but I highly recommend you have at least a Pentium II450 or
better.

Out of the 7 or 8 flight sims Fly is the benchmark.

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I agree with you in a way, but I think the reason may be that hardly
anyone gets to spend seat time in a plane, but almost everyone has
behind the wheel of a car.

In a flight sim, the mundane is neat because it's unfamiliar, and fun
to learn what a pilot goes through.
In a car, the mundane is more, well, mundane.  :-)
The fun of a racing sim is a familiar experience taken to an
astronomical level.

I'd rather the extra resources that would go into switching on the
fuel pump and other flight sim type stuff be used on the driving model
or AI ability. There hasn't been a sim yet that couldn't use
improvement in one or the other.

An accurate infield would be neat, but driving in and out of it
wouldn't be worth all of the resources required to model it.

I'm torn on the sims that make you manage a season with money.
It's a neat idea, but honestly, I'm playing to get a break from that
kind of day-to-day crap.

The driving is the thing for me. Put me in the seat of a running,
ready to go car with great physics and AI, and I won't miss
micro-management for a second.

Tim

IndyCar Racing 2 had that yes.. but we need to accept some series has not as
much thing as that.  Stock-cars mostly don't have those settings, no ?  I
have never seen a turbo-charged Nascar ;-D

I would speculate that Gp3 will have such settings.  But who knows, it's
just a shot in the dark. For me immersion is not an essential even if I
would welcome it easily.  Throwing a Lotus on the Nurburgring with your
speakers screaming, at the end of your lap and actually knowing this time
that you might get a sub 8min 30sec lap is well enough immersive for me ;-)

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Anyway, back to the real world...

Cheers,

Mark
Reading, UK

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I think the answer is pretty simple...

Flight sims concentrate on meticulously simulating the smallest detail of
navigation, reading instruments, doing things in the right order.. because
basically that's all there is to flying. Apart from watching the landscape, that
is.

If you skip all that, you've got nothing left!!

In racing sims on the other hand, it is the RACING that is most important and
most exciting. Or at least it should be  :-)  I don't think it would be too
difficult to include similar details, but developers understand that improving
the racing experience is more important.

JoH

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You know what I would like? An online racingteam simulation. You've to
design a car, engine tires and the like, within certain parameters.
Tradeof speed against reliability. Then you've to hire (human) drivers
for online races. Online racing as a real teamsport, I think it would
be cool...

Remco

I played Afterburner countless hours in the Arcade...  ;-)

No, serious: what would you think about a Falcon 4.0 where you can devote all
your concentration to the dogfighting? Me thinks there wouldn't be much
"prestige" left. A serious flightsim NEEDS all the bells and whistles and
complexity it can get, or it gets shot down in a blink of an eye.

JoH
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