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That's fine that he offered.  Nice of him to do that.  But you were the one who
stuck with it for so long.  Don't minimize what you did.

Well, you can, but I will ignore it :)

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Tim White

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Actully, I think I stirred up the current discussion by correcting an
offhand remark by ZZ about why there was a change in RASCAR.  I only
did that to make sure history was not indavertantly rewritten, kinda
like reminding people that Wilshe isn't to be trusted.  I'm pretty
sure that's when the latest round of ***started.

There was only one person that ever thought he cheated? I know that's not
true, so who's the *really* stupid one?

David G Fisher

Lol.

David G Fisher

Yeah, I was, and I'll exmplain as part of the response to the next
bit.  I'll also try to avoid using big words.

Not competitive? If you'll go back and watch the replays, you'll find
that I consistently ran in the top-five, even after hurting my left
arm.  Most of my DNF's were cause by being caught up in other
people's accidents, taken out by random damage by the sim itself (and
in one of those races I led the most laps and was in the lead under
caution with 14 laps to go when the sim decided my motor had blown
up), and once by simply losing control on my own (at Vegas on the
first lap).  

Not competitive? I was one of the few drivers that was willing to
race side-by-side in an effort to avoid giving up track position.
Again, go back and watch the replays, or better yet, ask the other
drivers about my ability to hold my line.

Winning is nice, but it isn't everything, and doesn't necessarily
indicate a driver's got more skill than luck. I was participating
because of the competition, not because I thought I was better than
everyone (or even anyone) else.

The reason I've been "excluded" is for a few reasons:

a) If there was any on-track contact between me and Dave or me and
Mitch, the accusations would most certainly fly (as they did at
Bristol) about the possibility of it being intentional on my part.

b) They let you in the league. I refused your application because
you're a fraud, and were caught in the act while involved with
another league, and because I was around when you were running the
IVGA setup scam when NR1 was current. Remember, I originally refused
RH's application as well, but I was convinced (by third parties) that
he could have changed his ways, but you just keep ***ing up, and
nobody's ever said anything that would give me pause long enough to
change my opinion of you.

c) The current ruleset for RASCAR is not aligned with my current
belief system where online racing is concerned, thus excluding my
participation.  Notice, I'm not racing in RASCAR and constantly
complaining about the rules.

He didn't quit racing until he yanked the server, and he was always
interested in getting better. You're an *** for even stating such
a thing. As far as I'm concerned, Eldred's actions and motives are
above reproach.

I personally would not join a league that allows you to participate.
Further, you keep talking about talent and competition.  Here's a
news flash for you *** - there are LOTS of people here that have
more racing talent than either you or I have.

I think Eldreds GPLrank is lower than mine, but since I don't
actively follow that stuff, I'm not sure. That indicates to me that
he has plenty of talent.

You're a waste of carbon...

Get your facts straight.

I never said, "I don't cause yellows unless my connection goes south". You
made that line up. You and John go well together. I like how you cut the
line where I admitted I "just plain screwed up" and caused a yellow after
nine races.

Just so we are clear, I rarely cause yellows. Not never. That's pretty much
impossible. But it's pretty damn rare that I do.When I say, "I don't cause
yellows", that's not meant to be taken literally you idiot. Part of the
reason I don't is because I like and respect the other drivers enough that I
do my best to not do something careless that could ruin their race
(collision), or make their race boring.

You say I'm not "man enough to admit it" when I cause a yellow?

Here's some facts for you. I did go six races without causing a yellow. When
I finally did, it was due to connection problems. I DID, however, post an
apology to the RASCAR forum after the race to the guys I had an incident
with. I took FULL responsibility, and said I was SORRY. I said the other
driver did NOTHING wrong and "held his line perfectly". I also posted a
replay so they knew I wasn't being reckless, but actually had trouble
judging their car's path due to my connection to the server suddenly being
poor for a couple of races. Other drivers said I was blinking out badly in
that race at one point. My ping was much higher than it was previously (and
is now) for some reason, and was something that could be seen by anyone in
the race.

It was a few more races before I simply screwed up and caused a yellow. If I
cause a yellow, I admit it. BTW, I did a drive through of the pits at a race
at Dover (one of those six races) and purposely punished myself by dropping
from 5th position to the back of the line just in case there was the
*chance* that I was the cause of an incident. It turns out that the other
driver had made the mistake and turned into me (Jan agreed with me after
reviewing the incident). I have no problem admitting a mistake or even
punishing myself for one.

You really are a clueless ***.

David G Fisher

What you are Simmons is an incredibly insecure, small***ed, loser who's so
desperate for power in his life that he felt the need to try and seize
complete control of something like RASCAR (a group of guys who simply enjoy
getting together once a week to play a racing sim) and act like a damn
dictator.

Pathetic.

Have fun on Saturday.

David G Fisher

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Gerry Aitken

...and a friend shall lose a friend's hammer. - Book of Cyril, chapter
6, verse 16

This e-mail has been scanned for all known viruses by a fish called Colin.

Hey!! -Don't go calling Eldred's motivation into question. A lesser man in
his position would have given up on simracing long ago.

You have no hope of equalling the status and "cred" Eldred has among the
simracing community, even if you stop trashtalking other drivers right now
and spend the rest of you natural life racing.

And John is pretty quick too, BTW. <g>

Jan.
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I didn't make that shit up, you did lol

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Tim White

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Tim White

All Goy did was point out that calling me a cheater when you have zero proof is
the ONLY thing your lame ass can think of as some dig at me thereby displaying
your inabilities to use your own arguments.

I never cheated.  What I did, WILSHE knew about.  He SAID is wasn't cheating, so
there.  And it was not online racing and it was 8 freaking years ago lol.

It is pathetic how you repeatedly bring that lame shit up yet you don't flame
wilshe for the stealing of 1000s of setups, AND getting others to help him.
Maybe you're the one who wrote that hack, how do we know?  You certainly would
not be man enough to admit it.

In 8 years, wilshe has not one single time apologized, admitted his devious
behavior, or even acknowledged any foul intent, to anyone.  Not once.  He is
incapable.  It is the single biggest reason he is banned from so many leagues,
the reason Papyrus wanted him banned from TEN, and yet, this is the guy you
choose to get in bed with.  He is in such denial, like you, that being the most
unliked, notorious hacker ever busted in sim racing, he still manages to be the
first one to stand up and call others cheaters.

What does that say about you?  It's okay for you to call someone a cheater with
no proof but it's not okay when people call you a wrecker?

Since you think it was so common place to call me a cheater why don't you name
every single person who has called me that, and I will name every single person
who thinks you are as worthless as wilshe is.

I'll even put it to a public vote.

The majority here can permanently ban me, or you and wilshe from RASCAR.  If
they vote the two of you out, I will come back.  I would support whoever runs
RASCAR, including Mitch.  I will abide by and support whatever the rules are, or
will be.  I have little respect for Mitch playing a part in forcing Eldred to
pull his server, and quitting.  But you are the reason I quit RASCAR.

I am confident enough of my reputation and what I can offer the community that I
am willing to be judged by the majority.  For evey person you can find who
thinks I cheat, I'll name you 10 who used or asked for setup help, or asked to
follow me around a track.  How many people ask you that.

If you think I am a worthless cheat, and you are better for online racing than I
am, put your reputation on this ng.

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Tim White

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Tim White