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Mitch thought he was out to, based on a comment from Simmons at the forum.

I raced in the RASF1 race at Hungary *before* John made his announcement
that I was out.

You didn't let us know that. I actually think you missed his "Attention Dave
Fisher" thread, and are honestly confused now about the sequence of events.
Apparently (his own words in this thread) he asked you in private to kick us
out before the Bristol race and you refused. He then went ahead on his own
on Aug. 24th and announced I was out. You never reponded to that thread. I
even asked you to but heard nothing. Maybe you just never knew what he did
becasue you pulled the server immediately after that?

Mitch and Jan did think I was out. Mitch and I discussed it many times
(obviously) and as I said, Jan thought the same thing. Jan was going to get
a server, put John in charge, and leave me out. Ask Jan.

As I said, Mitch, Jan, and many others thought I was out. Fact is, if John
had continued with his RASCAR dictator duties after you pulled the server, I
would of been kept out.

No chip, just getting things straight so there's no misunderstanding.

David G Fisher

I just explained this in another thread, but I'm going to make it crystal
clear right here.

1. Before the Bristol race (your server was not operating that weekend, so
we used John's for the official race), John apparently asked to have both
Mitch and I banned from RASCAR, and you refused. Apparently he didn't like
the fact that we wouldn't accept being told when, where, and what we could
say about RASCAR.

2. During the 1/2 hour Bristol practice before the official race started,
John was weaving and caused two incidents. He then (without a word form me)
threatend to kick me off the server before the race started, accusing me in
front of the group of deliberately trying to wreck him. I saiod nothing. It
was a pathetic, scumbag thing he did. Seemed orchestrated to me, especially
now that I know he asked you to remove Mitch and I BEFORE that race. I
posted replays for everyone to see how poorly he was driving, and how he was
racing me in a practice session and wouldn't let me by even though I was
significantly faster. Various ras readers like John Wallace and Mika Takala
cleared me of John's bullshit accusations (that I was being reckless), and
said he was wrong for threatening to kick me off the server. The thread can
be found here if you have 10 hours to waste.

http://www.racesimcentral.net/:thl3921833310d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=U...
=UTF-8&selm=M8qcnRIBoLFsotWiU-KYvA%40comcast.com

3. Here's where you get confused. He then, on Aug. 24th, in the days AFTER
the Bristol race, announced to ras in the "Attention Dave Fisher" thread
that I was absolutely out of RASCAR. You never said a word in that long
thread. I never heard a word from you regarding this nonsense. Someone being
kicked out of RASCAR is a pretty major deal, and since you were silent on
the matter (two months now) and he was acting like a weak little dictator,
I, Mitch, Jan, and others thought I was out. If John had stayed in charge of
RASCAR but on another server, I would of been out. Ask Jan.

4. You soon afterward pulled your server.

I was banned by John. He or you never said anything to the contrary until
last night. I'm pretty sure now that you simply have got the timing of
things confused, and didn't actually know what happened. It should be clear
now. Dictator Johnny went over your head and kicked me out. Nothing new was
said on the matter until the past 24 hours. This whole mess is a perfect
example of how out of control he was.

David G Fisher

Dang, this stuff is better than even the heated political debates on the
flight sim forum.

:)

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Don Burnette

I agree it was over the top.

Not worth reading again.  I already know that.

Nah, not me...

Probably.  You and John don't like each other.  Jan knew that John would not
let you race, and was willing to go along with that.  How the hell is that MY
fault?  I don't have any control over John's feelings for you, no Jan's
willingness to follow John's rules.  You seem to think otherwise, though.

No, what is clear is that you *assumed* you were out, based on John's threats.
Do not presume to know who or what was allowed on MY server.  From my point of
view, John's rant was a harmless statement.  He had no control over the server
whatsoever.  PERIOD.  Therefore, I didn't even need to justify his comments.
Had I decided that you and Mitch would be removed from RASCAR, I would have
posted it here, as I did with your suspension and Tim's, and also Mitch's last
season.  If you were so worried about being eliminated, why didn't you ask me?
If you had, I would have told you no, you were still a member - come have fun.
You could have sent an e-mail if you didn't want to risk public embarrassment.

Yes, the whole situation was out of control.  I won't deny that John's
abrasiveness was a major part of it.  But several people here kept egging him
on, and continue to do so.  I think you guys *enjoy* ***ing at each other.
I'm not sure why, but it doesn't really matter...

Eldred
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Michael S. on Racesimcentral has posted a reduced-size mirror.mip that
improves GPL by about 4 to 8 fps, depending on size.

Mirror image is a bit (or lot) fuzzier but I suppose that's realistic,
since the mirrors would be vibrating the whole time.

Regards, Rudy
(GPLRank -11)

I even said right here that anyone that was on the official invite
list in RASCAR at the time that you threw your tantrum over Bristol
was eligible to race on my server, and I even made it a point to say
that you and Mitch were not excluded from that list.

Get a grip Dave, and stop being a child over this.

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Subject: JUNTACAR: New Hampshire at 4pm eastern
This is the only article in this thread  
Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators
Date: 2003-09-07 11:29:47 PST

Anyone that was in the rascar invite list as of bristol is invited to
attend.  There's room for about 20.

All I ask is that you drive well.

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Subject: Surprised Dave?
Date: 2003-09-12 17:56:02 PST
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Message 2 in thread

Subject: Re: Surprised Dave?
Date: 2003-09-12 18:27:15 PST

Well this oughta be good :) Could this mean.......... :)
Dan

Message 3 in thread

Subject: Re: Surprised Dave?
Date: 2003-09-13 02:21:48 PST

No, it doesn't mean that at all.

He connected to the JUNTACAR server last night. I think it was to see
if he was in the invite list...

I would like to put her on the invite list for RASCAR.  Although she might have
a tough time reaching the pedals, I'm sure she has the intellectual maturity to
join in the discussions.

<VBG>

Grampa Michael

Tim

Congrats.
Maybe I can put my 4 year old on the invite list.  Only problem, he hears
what your saying, but isn't listening!!!
gee, that sounds familiar around here.
<said with tongue firmly planted in cheek>

Maybe, just maybe, can the people concerned in this thread please agree to
disagree, shake hands(so to speak) and move on.
Steve

Ah well, the longer it goes, the more comedic it becomes.  And really, the
sillier it is the more difused it is. Now it's just entertainment!

Thanks again,
Grampa Michael

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Don Burnette

Don Burnette>>

Congrats right back at ya!  Don, you are going to have the time of your life!
It is so much different than when you held your own.  You look at that tiny
human being and know that they will see things, and learn things and experience
things that we will never know.  It's truly humbling.  And of course when they
get older, after baby sitting we get to send them back to their parents on a
sugar high...  I bought it in cube form!  :)

Grampa Michael

Hmmm... <g>

Very true...

Remember what I posted to this thread a week ago and in reply to whom that
was? <vbg>

I think it would be a good idea to move this general statement up a couple
levels in the thread.

Jan.
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