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by **Mitch_** » Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:39:15

Actually I hadnt read what was woven into the other message and I cant find
the original post. Im not sure who it's from but it doesnt sound like you
John. Whoever its from just shows pure selfishness on their part. Im
surprised you would even consider fracturing RASCAR in that way John, pretty
darn sad on both your parts really.

> Eldred, just in case you did killfile all refernces to "that league",
> I starred the name of "that league" so that you'd see this. :)

> > Ok, you don't like John - I understand that, and can respect your
opinion.
> > David doesn't like me - same statement towards him. I can live with
that.
> > But, we *did* try to get people involved. The problem was, nothing was
> > working! People were getting pissed(understandably) at running half the
race
> > under yellow. Decisions were made and actions were taken in multiple
attempts
> > to improve the *racing*. Excuse me for being human and TRYING.

> Eldred, I tried for two weeks to drive that point home. Take it from
> someone who knows - you're wasting your time...

> I was thinking part of (a lot of?) the improvement in the racing
> might be a combination of physics changes and the tweaked setups that
> were supplied with the patch. I don't think we had a problem with
> respect between drivers as claimed by Mitch. The original fast
> setups were a *** to drive, especially if you tried to stay pure to
> the sim "ideal" by not using any driving aids, and driving in-car.

> > I wish you guys well - I really do. Other than my total lack of speed,
the
> > races were often something to look forward to on a Saturday afternoon.

> I really do miss being able to race on Saturdays, and I'm up for
> another attempt that is not "that league" if you want to provide the
> server again. Of course, there would be some obvious changes to the
> way things are administered... :)

> You know my email address if you're interested.

by **Eldre** » Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:58:39

>Im
>surprised you would even consider fracturing RASCAR in that way John, pretty
>darn sad on both your parts really.

"pretty darn sad on both your parts"? Are you including me in that as well?

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by **Eldre** » Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:58:40

>Eldred, I tried for two weeks to drive that point home. Take it from
>someone who knows - you're wasting your time...

Let's let it go, John...

Thanks, but no. I'll sit this one out...

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by **Eldre** » Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:58:40

>RASCAR hasnt crashed and burned. What because you dont start the server
>every week you dont want to play anymore? Nothing has really changed much
>at all. We had many great races before the blowup but sadly we had many
>more that were really bad. We're still out there trying regardless.

Since I'm a nice guy, I'll ignore what some could take as a cheap shot at me.
<g>
My lack of participation really doesn't have anything to do with my not
providing a server anymore. If you recall, I had stopped driving for a while
before. I wasn't happy with my performance, but I was more than happy to host
even if I wan't running myself. After getting a lecture from John about how I
should be racing because I was an admin, I started driving again. My
performance still sucked, but at least I was involved. I simply don't have the
time to practice enough to keep it between the walls. No sense in screwing it
up for everyone else.

Because he's *good* at being the heavy, and I had my doubts that people would
listen to me anyway. They hadn't in the past... Maybe I over-reacted, but
that's how I felt at the time.
I also agreed with a lot of what John wanted to do, so I didn't see the harm in
it.

Really? Then I apologize. I may have initially not responded due to a lack of
time, then lost the mail in my inbox, then lost the inbox itself with the hard
drive crash.

I know, thanks. Jan keeps needling me to race again as well...<g>

Chalk that up to a ***ed up day at work, and other stuff going wrong with my
life. I wasn't exactly in a cheerful mood when I wrote that. As you can see,
I didn't follow through on it.

Same can be said for Simmons. We're just
I know, and I appreciate it.

Yeah, well...I can understand that. If I had disagreed with the plans(or even
if I'd been on the 'other side of the table', I might have reacted the same
way.

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by **Mitch_** » Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:29:08

It wasnt you no Eldred.. John was forwarding from something you said that
included what some unknown writer added to. Its this unknown guy that Im
talking about. I dont know why I cant find the original post.

> >Im
> >surprised you would even consider fracturing RASCAR in that way John,
pretty
> >darn sad on both your parts really.

> "pretty darn sad on both your parts"? Are you including me in that as
well?

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by **Tony Rickar** » Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:25:39

> It wasnt you no Eldred.. John was forwarding from something you said
that
> included what some unknown writer added to. Its this unknown guy that Im
> talking about. I dont know why I cant find the original post.

I just saw a post from John that included an intro at the top and he
responded to Eldred's points below. Or did I miss something? Don't believe
thare was anyone else in there - apart from John's multiple personalities
of course :)

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by **John Simmon** » Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:04:50

Since you insist on responding to messages that I'm not directing at
you...

First, I'm not fracturing anything. I'm just living by the same
recommendations so many other people (including myself) gave you and
Dave when the bullshit started. Here it is in paraphrased form:

"If you don't like the rules in a league you're
running in, get out and start your own league
or join one that has rules you can live with."

If you and Dave would have done that back in August when it was
suggested to you, we wouldn't be sitting here now discussing it, now
would we?

Saturday is a convenient time for me to race. Just because I am no
longer racing in RASCAR doesn't mean I'm going to go out of my way to
start another league that races in a timeframe that isn't convenient
for me just because it conflicts with RASCAR's start time.

If I end up getting a league started, and if some of the RASCAR guys
want to join, that's fine with me, if they don't, that's fine too.

by **Don Wilsh** » Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:59:53

Rascar 2003!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I believe having raced RASCAR for two years its better than ever. Last
year it
was great as well. The drivers are very competitive with fixed setups.
They
are more important courteous and know when to race you and when to give
room.

RASCAR 2002 was 2002, Its now 2003 and its time to move on and
make it even better for 2004. Dave and Mitch are doing a great job and
were lucky to have a great foundation that Eldred conceived along with
other founders...

Enuff Said, Lets Race!

Don Wilshe

PS. Let the snipping stop especially by those that dont race so therefore
dont have a clue as to what RASCAR now is all about.

by **Tim** » Sat, 25 Oct 2003 02:01:20

LOL

So, you 'volunteered' to take control of RASCAR by buying your own server.
Fine. Call it whatever you want but you're playing on words.

Well here's mine ...

You force a guy like Eldred to quit, then conveniently get the only other moron
here to help you buy your way in, and you think of yourself as a volunteer? You
make me laugh. Jan was the first person to step up and offer a server when
Eldred quit. Not you buddy. Although I was disappointed at him backing out of
that offer, I understood why he didn't feel like pressing the issue.

Sure, you're just some nice guy who wants the best for RASCAR. Right.

I'll tell you one thing. You and ***up will never, ever get as much respect
around here as Eldred did. No way. Never. All he has to do is open up his
server, get John back in it, and they will get just as many people as you did.
They'll certainly get me back. Among others, they are the ones who built
something worth stealing, not you.

Do yourself a favor and do not fool yourself into thinking people will look at
you any other way.

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by **Mitch_** » Sat, 25 Oct 2003 02:10:05

I really dont understand your issues but go back to your shrink, he can help
you really he can. If not a .22 can solve all your personal problems.
Regardless leave me out of your bizzarro world.

Plonk, again!

by **Eldre** » Sat, 25 Oct 2003 02:11:19

Ok.
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by **Eldre** » Sat, 25 Oct 2003 02:13:04

Didn't you make comments about it when you weren't racing? That's fine, but
now you're espousing a standard that you yourself didn't follow... Just be
consistent, man...

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by **Mitch_** » Sat, 25 Oct 2003 02:37:30

I think it's Tim White Eldred. He and David had issues but he continues to
hammer me (for reasons unknown) so he's the sole member of my killfile which
was why I didnt see any original posts. No matter.

Just to set the record straight Tim quit RASCAR on his own. Neither David
nor I ever so much as mentioned him in any conversation. If he feels forced
out of RASCAR then thats something he must deal with on his own cause he
wasnt forced to do anything he didnt want to that I know of anyway :)

Mitch

by **Mitch_** » Sat, 25 Oct 2003 02:41:30

Now that I think of it didnt Tim quit before the blowup?

> I think it's Tim White Eldred. He and David had issues but he continues
to
> hammer me (for reasons unknown) so he's the sole member of my killfile
which
> was why I didnt see any original posts. No matter.

> Just to set the record straight Tim quit RASCAR on his own. Neither David
> nor I ever so much as mentioned him in any conversation. If he feels
forced
> out of RASCAR then thats something he must deal with on his own cause he
> wasnt forced to do anything he didnt want to that I know of anyway :)

> Mitch

> > Ok.
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by **Tony Rickar** » Sat, 25 Oct 2003 04:22:07

> RASCAR 2002 was 2002, Its now 2003 and its time to move on <snip>

Happy new year Don!

Doh! Too late I snipped above...

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