rec.autos.simulators

by **David Bohnenberge** » Mon, 05 Oct 1998 04:00:00

I do not own a wheel and have been using my CH fighterstick/pro pedals with
steering set fully to non-linear. How much easier would a wheel make it? I
really do not want to spend more for controllers until the USB issue is
settled. Would you consider GPL unplayable with a joystick?

by **Trip** » Mon, 05 Oct 1998 04:00:00

> I do not own a wheel and have been using my CH fighterstick/pro pedals with
> steering set fully to non-linear. How much easier would a wheel make it? I
> really do not want to spend more for controllers until the USB issue is
> settled. Would you consider GPL unplayable with a joystick?

The only disadvantage to the joystick is the loss of a sense of realism.
I run GPL at home with a Nascar Pro wheel/pedal unit, and at work with a
GP1/CH pedals setup. I've also run with a Logitech stick/CH pedal combo,
and I'm just as fast with the stick as I am with the wheel, but I enjoy
the sim more when I drive with the wheel.

Trips

by **Fuji Sarton** » Mon, 05 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Hi David,

I'm currently using a MS Gamepad (yes, that's right, a gamepad) to play GPL.
The controls are digital (meaning I either get full throtle or no throtle or
full left/right or dead centre) but i still enjoy GPL. I use to own a wheel
and I can't wait till I buy a new one. GPL will be awesome.

So to answer your question, I guess it comes down to personal preference. If
you are really into sims, you should definitely get a wheel, and a good one too
.

> I do not own a wheel and have been using my CH fighterstick/pro pedals with
> steering set fully to non-linear. How much easier would a wheel make it? I
> really do not want to spend more for controllers until the USB issue is
> settled. Would you consider GPL unplayable with a joystick?

by **Don Burnett** » Mon, 05 Oct 1998 04:00:00

According to the Strategy Guide written by Steve Smith, some of development
team at Papyrus , the hot lappers, drive with a joystick and pedal setup.
Personally, I much prefer the feel and realism of a wheel and pedals.

--
Don Burnette
Palmetto Racing
Dburn on Ten
AOLL Iroc Series Administrator
http://pages.southtech.net/palmetto/aoll.htm

>I do not own a wheel and have been using my CH fighterstick/pro pedals with
>steering set fully to non-linear. How much easier would a wheel make it? I
>really do not want to spend more for controllers until the USB issue is
>settled. Would you consider GPL unplayable with a joystick?

by **beek** » Mon, 05 Oct 1998 04:00:00

From "Four Wheel Drift":

"The guys who developed the game at Papyrus are ***ed to a
joystick(for fast steering response) and foot pedals ... and the have
the lap records to prove it works."

Personal preference, but I find a wheel much more immersive also.

beekr

On Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:12:04 -0400, "David Bohnenberger"

>I do not own a wheel and have been using my CH fighterstick/pro pedals with
>steering set fully to non-linear. How much easier would a wheel make it? I
>really do not want to spend more for controllers until the USB issue is
>settled. Would you consider GPL unplayable with a joystick?

by **Neil Yeatma** » Mon, 05 Oct 1998 04:00:00

> I'm currently using a MS Gamepad (yes, that's right, a gamepad) to > play GPL.

That would explain why you get 1:50's at the Glen. Get a wheel, get
it now... :)

--

Neil Yeatman
Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

by **Michael E. Carve** » Mon, 05 Oct 1998 04:00:00

% I do not own a wheel and have been using my CH fighterstick/pro pedals with
% steering set fully to non-linear. How much easier would a wheel make it? I
% really do not want to spend more for controllers until the USB issue is
% settled. Would you consider GPL unplayable with a joystick?

I am not sure that a wheel will actually make it any easier. The real
hotlappers (and most of the Papyrus folks) like to race with joystick
and pedals. Personally I think this detracts from the immersion of the
simulation (besides a joystick may be an unfair advantage over a wheel).

Don't know the release date yet, but Thrustmaster has NASCAR Pro Digital
in the pipeline (USB or DirectConnect). In the mean time you may want
to pick up a Thrustmaster GP1 wheel real cheap to tide you over until
it's released.

--
**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

by **Eric T. Busc** » Wed, 07 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Perhaps that's true for you, but some of the fastest drivers at Papyrus
would definitely disagree.

- Eric

by **doktor** » Wed, 07 Oct 1998 04:00:00

I don't know.. a friend sent me his best laps, exported directly out of GPL
(I've played him and can confirm he is fast, btw). He uses a joystick
(actually, two of them.. one for throttle, the other steering).. and his lap
times are BLAZING FAST!

Here's some of his better lap times:
Monaco: 1:30.12 (Ferrari)
Monza: 1:29.71 (Ferrari)
Mosport: 1:27.19 (Ferrari)
Nurburgring: 9:21.63 (Ferrari)
Rouen: 2:00.32 (Ferrari)
Silverstone: 1:29.71 (Lotus)
Spa: 3:21.49 (Ferrari)
Watkins Glen: 1:06.61 (Ferrari)
Zandvoort: 1:26.64 (Ferrari)

And all these times WITHOUT a WHEEL.

Faster than I am (got a T2).. so I think that settles it. Bottom line to
getting fast times.. find a good setup THAT WORKS FOR YOU, and PRACTICE,
PRACTICE, PRACTICE!

doktorB

>It is *not* playable with a joystick. (period) I don't care who says
>differently. Further, I would not waste my money on a wheel that does not
>offer separate brake/gas. You just don't have the control you need any
other
>way. That is, the control to be *good*. Playing and being *good* are two
very
>different things.

>> I do not own a wheel and have been using my CH fighterstick/pro pedals
with
>> steering set fully to non-linear. How much easier would a wheel make it?
I
>> really do not want to spend more for controllers until the USB issue is
>> settled. Would you consider GPL unplayable with a joystick?

by **Peter Ashle** » Wed, 07 Oct 1998 04:00:00

you can tell in some of the replays that the hotfoot is using a joystick -
Monaco for instance.

by **Neil Yeatma** » Thu, 08 Oct 1998 04:00:00

> It is *not* playable with a joystick. (period) I don't care who says
> differently. Further, I would not waste my money on a wheel that does not
> offer separate brake/gas. You just don't have the control you need any other
> way. That is, the control to be *good*. Playing and being *good* are two very
> different things.

If you're talking 100% joystick..I agree..I certainly can't drive GPL
with a stick. My TSW was down for a couple of days (due to a refit,
not a repair), and I ran some races with a joystick...what a nightmare.
But some people can do it, and quite well.

But combine a joystick and pedals, well..that's a whole new ball game.
I would go so far as to say this combo is "cheating". You can apply
steering input much faster than with a wheel, going opposite lock to
opposite lock almost instantly.

--

Neil Yeatman
Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

by **John Walla** » Thu, 08 Oct 1998 04:00:00

You're wrong, but I guess there's no point in saying so.

Cheers!
John

by **Wolfgang Prei** » Thu, 08 Oct 1998 04:00:00

>I don't know.. a friend sent me his best laps, exported directly out of GPL
>(I've played him and can confirm he is fast, btw). He uses a joystick
>(actually, two of them.. one for throttle, the other steering).. and his lap
>times are BLAZING FAST!

Two joysticks - I tried that once for about 5 mins, then decided it
was only for piano players who can do different things with both hands
at the same time. :) The only thing I ever drove that had two "sticks"
to steer it was the M113 APC. But that was easy since you had to do
the *same* thing with both hands.

--
Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome.

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