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by **Robert Ellio** » Fri, 09 Jan 1998 04:00:00

> Well, I've pretty much decided to get a 3D card now. This way I can
> enjoy 3D games while I'm waiting for the Voodoo2. Here's the dilemma:
> Stealth II or Canopus Pure3D? The Stealth II is cheaper (remember, this
> is a temporary fix), and got good reviews as far as D3D games go, but do
> I want to sacrifice the 2D from my Millennium (BTW, I have no idea how
> the Millennium compares to current cards)? The Pure3D looks to be the
> pick of the Voodoo litter, but costs $80 more than the Stealth II. Have
> the other chipsets (in this case the Verite 2100) caught up with the
> Voodoo to make them viable as a temporary fix until the Voodoo2 comes
> out?

I'm not too up on prices, but 3dfx is the superior way to go, in both support
and capability. Since you are looking for a stop-gap, why choose the Canopus?
It's extra 2 MB aren't *that* important. My Monster cost me 98 (UK alert),
and that was a while ago - if that is significantly cheaper than the Canopus
and not far off the Stealth II, I should choose that one. Or any other cheap
4MB 3dfx cards; there are others which are OEM and don't come with bundled
software, and so are much cheaper.

Well that's my advice, for what it's worth,

Rob

by **Mikes Design** » Fri, 09 Jan 1998 04:00:00

> > Well, I've pretty much decided to get a 3D card now. This way I can
> > enjoy 3D games while I'm waiting for the Voodoo2. Here's the dilemma:
> > Stealth II or Canopus Pure3D? The Stealth II is cheaper (remember,
this
> > is a temporary fix), and got good reviews as far as D3D games go, but
do
> > I want to sacrifice the 2D from my Millennium (BTW, I have no idea how
> > the Millennium compares to current cards)? The Pure3D looks to be the
> > pick of the Voodoo litter, but costs $80 more than the Stealth II.
Have
> > the other chipsets (in this case the Verite 2100) caught up with the
> > Voodoo to make them viable as a temporary fix until the Voodoo2 comes
> > out?

Hi, I was also going to get a canopus or a monster then I decided this STB
Velocity smokes fine for now and I will wait for V2. But when I was going
to get it my final decision was with Monster even though I think the
canopus is better here is why- The Diamond web site said they buy back the
monster for 160 dollars I believe when you upgrade soooooooooo if that
holds true for upgrading to a V2 well it might be a real good temp fix as
you say and you wont lose your initial investment completely. Aloha, Mike

by **Nanker Pheldg** » Sat, 10 Jan 1998 04:00:00

> Hi, I was also going to get a canopus or a monster then I decided this STB
> Velocity smokes fine for now and I will wait for V2. But when I was going
> to get it my final decision was with Monster even though I think the
> canopus is better here is why- The Diamond web site said they buy back the
> monster for 160 dollars I believe when you upgrade soooooooooo if that
> holds true for upgrading to a V2 well it might be a real good temp fix as
> you say and you wont lose your initial investment completely. Aloha, Mike

Don't want to rain on your parade, but that $160 is the price to buy a
Monster direct from Diamond when you trade in an old video card at the
same time. It is not for an upgrade to Voodoo2. AFAIK, the only
company offering a tradeup program from V1 to V2 is Quantum3D (the
high-end V1 card maker).

by **Paul Dziekons** » Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Pure3D as a stopgap? What kind of bull is that. There is no better
card than Pure3D. Except maybe that freaky dual Voodoo Obsidian ($600
or whatever).

by **mikal tod** » Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Stealth II uses verite 2100. Its the best bet by a mile, it cost 1/2 the
price of a RIVA card and since you are planning to change soon that would
be a good investment. Not only that, but after checking the number of
verite patches for games, you`ll be surprised, MANY games run on it
patched so all you voodoo owners, GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT!

Mike

by **Robert Ellio** » Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:00:00

> Stealth II uses verite 2100. Its the best bet by a mile, it cost 1/2 the
> price of a RIVA card and since you are planning to change soon that would
> be a good investment. Not only that, but after checking the number of
> verite patches for games, you`ll be surprised, MANY games run on it
> patched so all you voodoo owners, GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT!

> Mike

But is it 1/2 the price of a Voodoo? And how many of the verite games are
incapable of using the Voodoo? He already has a 2D card; the cheapest
"stop-gap" which will give him extensive support and superb performance is a
4MB Voodoo like the Diamond Monster - costs less than 100 over here.

Rob

by **mikal tod** » Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:00:00

monster at 100 + VAT ! = 117

difference = 40 = 32 megs RAM

now which is better?

Mike

by **Ga'ash Soffe** » Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:00:00

I think the stealth II..
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> > But is it 1/2 the price of a Voodoo? And how many of the verite games are
> > incapable of using the Voodoo? He already has a 2D card; the cheapest
> > "stop-gap" which will give him extensive support and superb performance is a
> > 4MB Voodoo like the Diamond Monster - costs less than 100 over here.

> > Rob

> monster at 100 + VAT ! = 117

> difference = 40 = 32 megs RAM

> now which is better?

> Mike

by **rdcl..** » Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:00:00

On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:03:08 +0000, mikal todd

>> But is it 1/2 the price of a Voodoo? And how many of the verite games are
>> incapable of using the Voodoo? He already has a 2D card; the cheapest
>> "stop-gap" which will give him extensive support and superb performance is a
>> 4MB Voodoo like the Diamond Monster - costs less than 100 over here.

>> Rob

>monster at 100 + VAT ! = 117

>difference = 40 = 32 megs RAM

>now which is better?

Compatibility is *the most important thing.* There are almost no 3D
accelerated games that don't work on a Voodoo. There are far more 3D
accelerated games that don't work on [name of chipset here].
Including Rendition.

Cost savings are a red herring if you get done saving money and you
still can't play Longbow 2 or NHL98, and those were the games you
wanted to play. (The same is true of NASCAR2 and IndyCar2, the only
two Verite-only games of note that I'm aware of, to be fair -- the
only two released in more than a year, AFAIK).

Voodoo is the only chipset that will run every 3D accelerated game
with the performance and features the game designers intended. That
statement can be made about no other chipset. Not even close.

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by J » Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:00:00

On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:03:08 +0000, mikal todd

stopgap until Voodoo2?"

>monster at 100 + VAT ! = 117

>difference = 40 = 32 megs RAM

>now which is better?

The Monster, obviously... if it runs the games you want to play and
the Stealth 2 doesn't!

Regards, JD

by **fREo** » Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:00:00

>On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:03:08 +0000, mikal todd

>>> But is it 1/2 the price of a Voodoo? And how many of the verite games
are
>>> incapable of using the Voodoo? He already has a 2D card; the cheapest
>>> "stop-gap" which will give him extensive support and superb performance
is a
>>> 4MB Voodoo like the Diamond Monster - costs less than 100 over here.

>>> Rob

>>monster at 100 + VAT ! = 117

>>difference = 40 = 32 megs RAM

>>now which is better?

>Compatibility is *the most important thing.* There are almost no 3D
>accelerated games that don't work on a Voodoo. There are far more 3D
>accelerated games that don't work on [name of chipset here].
>Including Rendition.

This is not quite accurate. Almost all the new games seem to be coming out
*enhanced* for voodoo. There are almost as many (mostly the same games)
enhanced for Rendition Verite. But both cards are Direct3D compliant and
almost every game out runs on both cards. There are no current direct3D
accelerated games that dont work on both these cards.

NHL98 is _not_ voodoo only.
Also be aware that newer/popular Rendition Ready games include:
Quake1, Quake2, Resident Evil, and Tomb Raider 1 and 2. There are quite a
bit more games like Whiplash3D, Descent II: Destination Quartzon 3D (8-level
version), MDK: Mission Laguna Beach (9-arena version), Scorched Planet
WipeOut XL, EF2000, and more still. Also Rendition Verite runs OpenGL.

Can't make that statement about Voodoo either. You can't run _every_ game
with all the features the programmers intended because some games are
written for specific chipsets.

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by **Chris Villarrea** » Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:00:00

The 3d accelerated version is.

Just FYI here's a good compilation of what runs what.
http://www.homeshopping.com.br/~oaks/ . This site doesn't touch on
quality but it can still be used as a rough guide. By quality I mean
both Verite and Riva can run Quake 2, but neither provide the image
quality or speed of the Voodoo.
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