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by **Michael S. Davi** » Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:00:00

> Stealth II uses verite 2100. Its the best bet by a mile, it cost 1/2 the
> price of a RIVA card and since you are planning to change soon that would
> be a good investment. Not only that, but after checking the number of
> verite patches for games, you`ll be surprised, MANY games run on it
> patched so all you voodoo owners, GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT!

> Mike

Sorry Mike,
you are in some need of facts yourself, you seem to make a number of
false assumptions in your post. The Verite 2100 chipset is indeed much
cheaper than any Riva 128 based card, but the original post was asking
about 3dfx based cards versus the Verite card, not the big Riva which is
manufactured by Nvidia (the chipset.) The Stealth II is actually a
pretty good buy for Rendition acceleration and does a fair job at
Direct3d. The one thing it will not do is make a lower end computer fly
like a banshee. This can be said of the 3dfx based cards. They do make
an older system really fly by taking some of the load of the main
processor. Enough to even put off an upgrade for a little while. With
the slew of software available for the 3dfx cards as well as the cheap
available no-name cards the 3dfx Voodoo chipset is the only to go. I do
in fact get my facts straight, I have run almost every major vid card
available in one system or another for the last two and half years.
Everthing from an old Diamond Stealth 64 2meg to an Intergraph 3D Pro
100 with 16megs o' ram. Actually, it's not as much fun as the new
Quantum 3D Obsidian 100SB which has four 3dfx chips on the same board. I
know my video cards, stick to the 3dfx, or better yet get both.
All the best, Mike Davis
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by **fREo** » Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Have you tried VQuake yet? Try it out and be surprised. GL quality quake
but was out well before GLquake. The frame rate is great too. The only
setback to VQuake is it not being supported by QuakeWorld so your
multiplayer in Vquake mode is limited to regular Quake net play.

>I got the Stealth II 220 for Christmas, and I love it. I too was caught
>in the middle of whether to buy a Voodoo card which was what I wanted,
>but with the new Voodoo2 cards coming out soon, I just bought the
>Stealth II. The frame rates have jumped considerably in NASCAR 2, and
>if I had known 3 months ago when I got my PC how good the rendition
>version of NASCAR 2 looked, I would have bought this card to begin
>with. CART Precision Racing looks somewhat better with it, ICR II looks
>good, but I need to buy CART Racing to see the Rendition version. Jedi
>Knight and MotoRacer look good, so basically I am happy with the Stealth
>II. I plan on buying the new Voodoo 2 generation of Canopus cards, but
>the Stealth is a good fix until they hit the shelves in March, in my
>opinion

>Dave Roland

by **(Ed)** » Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:00:00

On 10 Jan 1998 16:56:00 -0700, Chris Villarreal

>Just FYI here's a good compilation of what runs what.
>http://www.homeshopping.com.br/~oaks/ . This site doesn't touch on
>quality but it can still be used as a rough guide. By quality I mean
>both Verite and Riva can run Quake 2, but neither provide the image
>quality or speed of the Voodoo.
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Please elaborate. I know that the Voodoo is the fastest Quake 2
performer, but how is the Voodoo's image quality superior to the
V2x00's in Quake 2?

by **rdcl..** » Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:00:00

>This is not quite accurate. Almost all the new games seem to be coming out
>*enhanced* for voodoo. There are almost as many (mostly the same games)
>enhanced for Rendition Verite. But both cards are Direct3D compliant and
>almost every game out runs on both cards.

"Almost" is a slippery word. And an important one if the game you
want to play is one of the missing ones, like Longbow2 or NHL98.

>There are no current direct3D

Irrelevant.

Well, it's "enhanced" for Voodoo only, or at least it was when it was
released.

Both chipsets have a lot of games available. Voodoo has more, and
more of them are native. That's just the truth.

Can, too. <g>

If there is no Glide version, you can bet there is no native version
for any other chipset either (unless it's a promotional pack-in or
something).

Name one significant game released in the past six months for which
there is a chipset-specific version, RRedline or otherwise, but *not*
a Glide version too.

And if the designer intended Direct 3D to be "all the features," then
God help him... but the statement is still true.

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by **Dave Rolan** » Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:00:00

I got the Stealth II 220 for Christmas, and I love it. I too was caught
in the middle of whether to buy a Voodoo card which was what I wanted,
but with the new Voodoo2 cards coming out soon, I just bought the
Stealth II. The frame rates have jumped considerably in NASCAR 2, and
if I had known 3 months ago when I got my PC how good the rendition
version of NASCAR 2 looked, I would have bought this card to begin
with. CART Precision Racing looks somewhat better with it, ICR II looks
good, but I need to buy CART Racing to see the Rendition version. Jedi
Knight and MotoRacer look good, so basically I am happy with the Stealth
II. I plan on buying the new Voodoo 2 generation of Canopus cards, but
the Stealth is a good fix until they hit the shelves in March, in my
opinion

Dave Roland

by **Chris Villarrea** » Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:00:00

> On 10 Jan 1998 16:56:00 -0700, Chris Villarreal

> >Just FYI here's a good compilation of what runs what.
> >http://www.homeshopping.com.br/~oaks/ . This site doesn't touch on
> >quality but it can still be used as a rough guide. By quality I mean
> >both Verite and Riva can run Quake 2, but neither provide the image
> >quality or speed of the Voodoo.
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> Please elaborate. I know that the Voodoo is the fastest Quake 2
> performer, but how is the Voodoo's image quality superior to the
> V2x00's in Quake 2?

From what I have read, the latest 3.10 patch still does not support the
Verite properly (I believe colored lighting is missing). Look at the
readme for the 3.10 patch.

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by **mikal tod** » Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:00:00

> > Stealth II uses verite 2100. Its the best bet by a mile, it cost 1/2 the
> > price of a RIVA card and since you are planning to change soon that would
> > be a good investment. Not only that, but after checking the number of
> > verite patches for games, you`ll be surprised, MANY games run on it
> > patched so all you voodoo owners, GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT!

> you are in some need of facts yourself, you seem to make a number of
> false assumptions in your post. The Verite 2100 chipset is indeed much
> cheaper than any Riva 128 based card, but the original post was asking
> about 3dfx based cards versus the Verite card, not the big Riva which is
> manufactured by Nvidia (the chipset.)

I didn`t assume anything, someone mentioned a RIVA card earlier on!

don`t talk crap...

more crap....

contradiction in terms?

not as cheap as stealth II

wow !

get both 3dfx+ stealth? but then the Stealth II will not process 3d stuff in
windoze unless you fart about with some 3rd party utils.' I know my video cards'
do you?
no hard feelings, but if you want the ultimate solution get a millenium II and a
voodoo. Also I believe you need some reading lessons too, it says 'Stopgap' in
the header, not ' ultimate 3d solution for loads of money $$' Also you leave the
topic yourself, he asked about the pure3d and the stealth II, nothing else.

mike

by **Ga'ash Soffe** » Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:00:00

> > Have you tried VQuake yet? Try it out and be surprised. GL quality quake
> > but was out well before GLquake. The frame rate is great too. The only
> > setback to VQuake is it not being supported by QuakeWorld so your
> > multiplayer in Vquake mode is limited to regular Quake net play.

> Quake is the most pitiful game I have ever seen!!!!!!! Irrespective
> of graphics card!!!!!!!!

I AGREE 100%! Quake is the worst 3D game ever (maybe worst of ALL games)
Quake2 is good though , maybe you might enjjoy my review of quake on my
web page...
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by **Maveric** » Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Right, whatever you say Byron.

> Quake is the most pitiful game I have ever seen!!!!!!! Irrespective
>of graphics card!!!!!!!!

by **Byron Forbe** » Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:00:00

> Have you tried VQuake yet? Try it out and be surprised. GL quality quake
> but was out well before GLquake. The frame rate is great too. The only
> setback to VQuake is it not being supported by QuakeWorld so your
> multiplayer in Vquake mode is limited to regular Quake net play.

Quake is the most pitiful game I have ever seen!!!!!!! Irrespective
of graphics card!!!!!!!!

by **Atomic Sku** » Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:00:00

I have to disagree with that.. the V2200 using the V2K native Open-GL
miniport (not a D3D wrapper or V1K OGL miniport) is just about as fast as a
3DFX, the rendering quality is actually better..

Check http://www.planetquake.com/gldojo/ and go to the news archive for
12/28/97

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by **Atomic Sku** » Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Native support for any card is unusual.. Most games support D3D. Many so
called "3DFX games" are actually D3D.

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by **Mar** » Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Rare?

3Dfx has native GLIDE support for over 70 games. I would hardly call
that rare.

And that support is increasing!!

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