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by **Eldre** » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 01:44:10

>So you think you could, day in - day out, program a product you don't
>believe in, that you think is wrong and keep at it indefinately, just 'cos
>it pays the bills?

The ideal situation would be to get paid for something you enjoy - then it
wouldn't be 'work. The reality? Far too many people go to their job day after
day, simply because it pays the bills. Unfortunately, I count myself in that
group as well...

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by **Joachim Trens** » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 03:16:26

Indeed, TEN is in a way comparable to VROC, except that VROC's been put
together by Alison Hine with other enthusiasts and has nothing to do with
Papyrus. Both offer a place where racers can meet.

But that's not what I'm talking about - I am talking about GPL's online code
which is much advanced over N2's. I'm comparing GPL without VROC to N2
without TEN, so to say.

Btw, GPL doesn't need an external program for online racing. Anyone with a
good enough connection can host a full field of 18 other cars without
needing any additional software.

Achim

> what? My NASCAR2 CD came with it on it. VROC, in this sense, is the same
> as TEN. GPL was the same as N2 where you had to use an external program
for
> online racing.

> PS Hawaii was N1, not N2.

> > TEN was a service, not a built-in feature or capability of a game.

> > Achim

> > > TEN was out long before GPL was. There still isn't a system today
that
> > can
> > > compare to what TEN offered.

by **Goy Larse** » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 02:21:32

> ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh the memories!

Uh huh, those were some classic "arguments", and then there was the
"winners vs losers" debate...

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by **Jason Moy** » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 02:26:10

>But are they gonna:

>1) Allow us to turn that off? (Online racing is already hard enough to
>pull off without pissing off everyone else on the track.)
>2) Allow server admins to force it on? (People with less capable systems
>will probably automatically be eliminated from alot of races if it is
>forced on due to graphics load.)

>3) Have it also affect people that don't drive in-car (if it is forced
>on)?

#3 is a good question. For 1 and 2 I would assume that they'll handle
it like they do the forced***pit and forced smoke options.

I suppose I do kinda fear a Papy loop server with sun glare forced,
but OTOH if it's done realistically I think it could be interesting.

Jason

by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 03:49:15

And why Propeller Man never got some award is a crime!!!
dave henrie

by **John Pancoas** » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 04:55:30

I'd be happy if they just get the spin recovery back to reality :)

I.e., turn the wheels the way it should be done to recover from a spin,
vs. the N2k way.

John

by **John Pancoas** » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 04:56:35

Yes, but so is VROC :)

John

> TEN was a service, not a built-in feature or capability of a game.

> Achim

> > TEN was out long before GPL was. There still isn't a system today that
> can
> > compare to what TEN offered.

by **ymenar** » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 06:16:43

> Show me proof of 200,000 copies sold or be quiet.

Show me proof of not 200,000 copies sold or be quiet.

I trust somebody like Steve more then anybody here in this case.

It's still copies sold. Repackaging games at lesser price YEARS after their
release normally means that there is still potential for the software, that
it still sells. You don't see C:PR in the shelves anymore no? <G>

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by **ymenar** » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 06:20:06

> Uh huh, those were some classic "arguments", and then there was the
> "winners vs losers" debate...

I wished somebody had kept all that stuff, on the TEN t.g.s.n., the Jacob
NG, MHO and Jacob again another and archived all the posts (without
binaries). Now wouldn't that have been fun? ;)

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by **ymenar** » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 06:27:13

> While the story line was a bit mushy for me, the Cinematography in Titanic
> was simply astonishing.

It was pretty simple "classical" cinematography Larry. There's tons of
movies each year that push the boundaries of cinematography and editing much
more then Titanic.

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by **John Pancoas** » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:05:02

Yes, but at the Zone, they're actually playing the games, instead of
sitting in chat :)

John

> apologies for the wisecracking that's now to come ;-) but made curious by
> your reminding me of MTM, I just checked MTM at the Zone (29 players) and
> then VROC (47 players) ;-) ...

> Achim

> > I have to respectfully disagree with you on a few points. :-)

by **John Simmon** » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:32:16

Oooooh 20 cars, a shitty interface, and the skill ratings meant as much
then as they do today. Further, that was the ONLY way you could race
online, and I hated paying for it.

> TEN was out long before GPL was. There still isn't a system today that can
> compare to what TEN offered.

> > As for the Nx series having online play, I think you'll agree that N2,
> like
> > ICR2, didn't support online playing like GPL does. For all practical
> > purposes it was modem-to-modem, except on Hawaii, which isn't the same
> > degree of freedom and accessibility as GPL's online feature provides.

> > GPL took online playing a fairly substantial step further by making it
> easy
> > to use, by giving a lot more people the capability to race and host
> online,
> > and also by dramatically increasing the quality of online playing on the
> at
> > the time less than optimal connections and hardware.

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by **Joachim Trens** » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:30:59

But I'm not talking about VROC, I'm exclusively talking about what's within
GPL itself. GPL's own online code :-)

Achim

> Yes, but so is VROC :)

> John

> > TEN was a service, not a built-in feature or capability of a game.

> > Achim

> > > TEN was out long before GPL was. There still isn't a system today
that
> > can
> > > compare to what TEN offered.

by **Joachim Trens** » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:32:31

There you see how versatile GPL is - not only brings it people to race
online, it even makes them more communicative! :-)

Achim

> Yes, but at the Zone, they're actually playing the games, instead of
> sitting in chat :)

> John

> > apologies for the wisecracking that's now to come ;-) but made curious
by
> > your reminding me of MTM, I just checked MTM at the Zone (29 players)
and
> > then VROC (47 players) ;-) ...

> > Achim

> > > I have to respectfully disagree with you on a few points. :-)

by **John Simmon** » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:35:16

Now you've done it - you've backed up your claim with factual data and
ruined the whole freakin argument...

says...

> apologies for the wisecracking that's now to come ;-) but made curious by
> your reminding me of MTM, I just checked MTM at the Zone (29 players) and
> then VROC (47 players) ;-) ...

> Achim

> > I have to respectfully disagree with you on a few points. :-)

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