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by **John Simmon** » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:23:04

says...

> >5) Solar effects (lens flare & sun glare) - yawn

> Yawn? Glare is one of the biggest challenges stock car drivers face
> at many tracks.

> I'm pretty psyched about this game. Looks like they're really going
> for broke and adding as many new features as they can. I only hope
> that it's not a bug infested nightmare, altho Papy is historically
> quick to release patches.

> Jason

I think they would have been better off

1) making sure the damage model actually modeled damage on the cars
beyond just wrinkling the sheet metal

2) add the effects of brake fade

3) random acts of goofiness on the part of the pit crew (leaving the
catch can atached to the car, or letting a tire roll across pit road)

4) allow debris/oil/water to affect the car if you hit it/run over it.

5) improved the handling of cars files for online races

Of course, that kind of stuff wasn't mentioned and that certainly
doesn't mean they haven't added some of that stuff, but it also doesn't
give me warm and fuzzies that they've possibly adrressed any of it
either.

Don't get me wrong, I'm gonna be right there the day it appears on
shelves just like everyone else here, but I'm sure none of us are gonna
be happy with what they did/didn't fix/include/add/delete.

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by **Steve Whitt** » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:20:07

Now that would be great, but hey, whats that outside my window? Oh just a
pig with wings......:o)

Steve

by **Goy Larse** » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:36:40

> > Naaah, they're doing an AussieV8 sim, I'm sure they are....

> Now that would be great, but hey, whats that outside my window? Oh just a
> pig with wings......:o)

Uh huh, that's the problem with some people, they just don't recognize a
good thing when they see it...

http://thenorwaypits.com/temp/94bath.wmv

Beers and cheers
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by **ymenar** » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:51:28

> 200,000 copies? HUH? I was under the impression figures were something
> like 1/5th of that

No, GPL sold about that much (in various forms, repackaging, mags, etc..).
I'm dead serious here. To say GPL was a disapointement is to view the
situation only on a corporate $$$$$$$ "I need money right now" vision of
Sierra. Shame on them.

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by **David G Fishe** » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:00:52

> On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 07:31:53 -0500, "David G Fisher"

> >Don't you know that a future computer auto sim is of such incredible
> >importance that it has to be kept top secret? The earth could explode if
> >this information slips out too early.

> Consider how people were freaking out about the GPL 72 rumors being
> false not to mention the whole West Bros fiasco, I'm not surprised
> Papy is tighted lipped about their upcoming games. Personally, I'd
> rather wait for a press release after the game has been slated for
> definite release than read about it in an interview 2 years before it
> ships.

> Jason

How many people on htis planet really were freaking out? I bet it wasn't
actually all that many. :-) Those were rumours created by fans, not the
company so they are irrelevant anyway.

The West Brothers are two guys who haven't done anything yet, not an
establised company.

Papyrus knows what they are doing next. It's silly that they act like a
little computer sim is crucial to world security. With them and some other
developers, the secrecy thing goes beyond ridiculous.

These are just GAMES played by kids and grown ups for entertainment.

David G Fisher

by **ymenar** » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:53:31

> I sure wish someone would stand up and say WHY this had to happen. If it
> was a simple matter of EA out-bidding Sierra, then so be it. SAY IT!

Papyrus never played that game Larry. They were always a very clean PR
company. I don't remember anybody at Papy getting some heat because of
something they said in interviews or press releases. Perhaps only N3 not
having the GPL game engine (after all those early watglen/loudon pictures
that showed an advanced physics model).

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by **Schoone** » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:02:20

I have to say Aussie V8s built on the Papy engine would be pretty nice. Be
a good sim to transition many of us hard code NASCAR types to the road
courses without having to make the switch to open wheel.

> > > Naaah, they're doing an AussieV8 sim, I'm sure they are....

> > Now that would be great, but hey, whats that outside my window? Oh just
a
> > pig with wings......:o)

> Uh huh, that's the problem with some people, they just don't recognize a
> good thing when they see it...

> http://thenorwaypits.com/temp/94bath.wmv

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

> http://www.theuspits.com

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

by **ymenar** » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:54:22

> So you think you could, day in - day out, program a product you don't
> believe in, that you think is wrong and keep at it indefinately, just 'cos
> it pays the bills?

Hey you just referred to "anybody working at Microsoft" ;-D

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by **Goy Larse** » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:11:55

> I have to say Aussie V8s built on the Papy engine would be pretty nice. Be
> a good sim to transition many of us hard code NASCAR types to the road
> courses without having to make the switch to open wheel.

Exactly, and you can still keep the GM vs FORD war going, no Mopars of
course but they are crappy cars anyways....:-)

Beers and cheers
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by **David G Fishe** » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:23:32

> > Oopsies, forgot the URL:

> > http://www.homelanfed.com/index.php?id=9950

> > > Brave talk from Papy's Rich Yasi on HomeLAN Fed (what DOES that mean,
> > > anyway?) site in re the upcoming--and last iteration--of NASCAR
Racing.
> > Now
> > > what, Rich?

> In a nutshell...

> 1) Four different car models for the different manufacturers. (I wanted
> this)
> 5) Solar effects (lens flare & sun glare) - yawn
> 6) Animated flags, jumbotrons, & infield objects - yawn
> 7) Accumulation of dirt/oil on windshield

These are kind of funny as they've been around in sims for years.

About time too.

Is this like accelerated tire wear and fuel consumption? If it is, then this
is funny too because this has been around forever.

Can't see why they wouldn't release the track editor. You'd think someone
might even do it *by accident*.

David G Fisher

by **Schoone** » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:21:17

Seems EA is doing ok for themselves. Like I said the money is in the
console market:
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/375/375330p1.html

> > 200,000 copies? HUH? I was under the impression figures were something
> > like 1/5th of that

> No, GPL sold about that much (in various forms, repackaging, mags, etc..).
> I'm dead serious here. To say GPL was a disapointement is to view the
> situation only on a corporate $$$$$$$ "I need money right now" vision of
> Sierra. Shame on them.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **Schoone** » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:27:08

Just to put the GPL figures in perspective:
Gran Turismo 2 for the PS sold 1,155,469 copies in the US along in 2000
http://www.the-magicbox.com/Chart-BestSellUS.htm#BestSelling00

> > 200,000 copies? HUH? I was under the impression figures were something
> > like 1/5th of that

> No, GPL sold about that much (in various forms, repackaging, mags, etc..).
> I'm dead serious here. To say GPL was a disapointement is to view the
> situation only on a corporate $$$$$$$ "I need money right now" vision of
> Sierra. Shame on them.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **Schoone** » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:36:29

Ok put me down for a copy :)
But it needs to support good online play.
Maybe, just maybe they will make NR2003 modifiable enough to give all of us
what we want. Please Papy :-)

> > I have to say Aussie V8s built on the Papy engine would be pretty nice.
Be
> > a good sim to transition many of us hard code NASCAR types to the road
> > courses without having to make the switch to open wheel.

> Exactly, and you can still keep the GM vs FORD war going, no Mopars of
> course but they are crappy cars anyways....:-)

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

> http://www.theuspits.com

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

by **Doug Elliso** » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:37:23

I'd suggest 'The Sims' is probably responsible for half that revenue.

Doug

by **Schoone** » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:39:47

It's alot of it as is MOHAA however the console market is alot of it was
well. Their sports titles probably are near the same or more than The Sims.

> > Seems EA is doing ok for themselves. Like I said the money is in the
> > console market:
> > http://ps2.ign.com/articles/375/375330p1.html

> I'd suggest 'The Sims' is probably responsible for half that revenue.

> Doug

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