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by **ymenar** » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:46:29

> "John Pancoast" wrote...

> > I.e., turn the wheels the way it should be done to
> > recover from a spin, vs. the N2k way.

> Controlling an assymetric car on a banked track is counter-intuitive in
many
> ways. See Carroll Smith's "Drive to Win" for glimpse of the problem.

Oh no not thing again ;-/

(Jan, the turn-away-from-the-spin debate has lasted for years in the "other"
Nascar newsgroup, eh).

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by **David G Fishe** » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:00:18

> > Almost the entire fan base of MTM2 immediately moved from Tri's MTM2 to
> > Tri's Evo1.They are both truck racing games.

> Errrrr David one is a MONSTER TRUCK racing game. The other is a SUV/Truck
> racing game. It's as different as a CART versus an F1 game. Both share
> similarities (high power/low weight advanced open wheel cars), but one
can't
> be a "sequel".

Really. You better tell that to Tri and the entire MTM2 community who viewed
Evo as it's sequel. The entire game of MTM2, along with it's thousands of
trucks and tracks could be transferred into Evo. The people who led the MTM2
community were involved in the beta testing of Evo and helped prepare for
the change over from one game to the other. The MTM2 web sites which hosted
all of those trucks and tracks and forums switched from MTM2 to Evo.

My head hurts.

David G Fisher

by **David G Fishe** » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:00:33

See my reply to your other post.

> > Also, as I said before, there were two sequels to MTM2 in 4 X 4 Evo 1
and
> 2.

> You really consider those "sequels" ?

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by **John Pancoas** » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:00:47

Don't get me started on that please Jan :)

John

by **John Pancoas** » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:57:28

Don't get going with Francois on movies Larry; you'll lose :) And for
God's sake, don't insult Kubrick <G>

John

> > While the story line was a bit mushy for me, the Cinematography in
Titanic
> > was simply astonishing.

> It was pretty simple "classical" cinematography Larry. There's tons of
> movies each year that push the boundaries of cinematography and editing
much
> more then Titanic.

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by **John Pancoas** » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:57:51

Lol, touche.

John

> There you see how versatile GPL is - not only brings it people to race
> online, it even makes them more communicative! :-)

> Achim

> > Yes, but at the Zone, they're actually playing the games, instead of
> > sitting in chat :)

> > John

> > > apologies for the wisecracking that's now to come ;-) but made curious
> by
> > > your reminding me of MTM, I just checked MTM at the Zone (29 players)
> and
> > > then VROC (47 players) ;-) ...

> > > Achim

> > > > I have to respectfully disagree with you on a few points. :-)

by **Eldre** » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:35:47

> Don't get going with Francois on movies Larry; you'll lose :) And for
>God's sake, don't insult Kubrick <G>

Kubrick? That HACK?
:-)

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by **Ruud Dingeman** » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:43:50

> Anyway, you've got a point when you say that GPL's still being played
> because there's no sequel.

Ummm... But this point is a bit flawed, since GPL basically *did* have a
sequel.

Most of the GPL drivers (not me, I only have a PII-333) are playing it now.

We should remember what GPL *originally* was, and what it is now - from
the much much cooler graphics, the extra utilities to the dozens of
extra tracks, a very much evolved and improved game. Look at some of the
original screenshots, then look at today's "GPL Improv'd" (or better,
the other way around) and see what I mean ;)

If Papyrus had been able to incorporate all the same changes in
something called GPL II, most of us would have bought it in an instant
and be pretty darn happy.

Just because there hasn't been an official sequel to Grand Prix Legends,
doesn't mean it didn't evolve into something much cooler than the
original old-graphics 7-track-GPL. And that's largely why people are
still playing it today.

Regards, Rudy

by **Brian Tat** » Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:10:58

That has been there all along

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> Do you mean the ability to partially fix a car, stop the repair, run
> around the track and then come back in so that you don't have to go a
> lap down? I guess I didn't realize that wasn't in there. It definitely
> needs to be, the real teams use that all the time.

> > Additive repairs! Dammit, I want additive repairs!

> > -Larry

by **Jan Verschuere** » Fri, 01 Nov 2002 03:39:05

So? <vwg>

Jan.
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by **Goy Larse** » Fri, 01 Nov 2002 06:33:36

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by **Haqsa** » Fri, 01 Nov 2002 11:46:28

Well good, but then I guess I am not sure what Larry is trying to say.

> That has been there all along

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> > Do you mean the ability to partially fix a car, stop the repair, run
> > around the track and then come back in so that you don't have to go
a
> > lap down? I guess I didn't realize that wasn't in there. It
definitely
> > needs to be, the real teams use that all the time.

> > > Additive repairs! Dammit, I want additive repairs!

> > > -Larry

by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 01 Nov 2002 11:59:15

> Well good, but then I guess I am not sure what Larry is trying to say.

> > That has been there all along

I had thought that feature was in versions PRIOR to N4, but ever since N4
there has been a clamoring for continued repairs... FWIU, you CAN keep
running around and pitting, but the program only figures a finite repair,
which is usually completed on the first pitstop. There-after, even if you
still have mega damage, the crew will not attempt any more repair work.
I've never verified that, just what I've seen here quite often.
dave henrie

by **ymenar** » Fri, 01 Nov 2002 11:59:35

> So? <vwg>

SoS!

Seriously, I've been telling those rednecks (tehehe) that it's somehow
correctly modeled in NR2002 within the limitations of the physics, but they
think it's still all wrong in GPL/N4/NR2002.

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by **Nic** » Sat, 02 Nov 2002 04:00:20

> And I do not like at all the hints that the next game will be for consoles.
> IMHO, you would never be able to implement a TRUE SIM the likes of
> NR2002/2003 on a console with it's limited resources.

My head hurts. I remember playing GPL on my P120 with Voodoo 3DFX,
many years ago. It ran perfectly fine as a simulation (admittedly I
had to turn down some graphics options). Everybody here respects GPL
as having fantastic physics. Look at the xbox. It is a 733Mhz (Not
100% sure about that figure) PC in a small (ish) box. Why couldn't
that run GPL? Oh, because it is a CONSOLE. Sometimes, the logic
escapes me.

Why wouldn't a sim like GPL run on a PS2 or an xbox? No reason at all.
In fact, they could improve the graphics (it has been 5 years), add an
easier 'arcade' style mode to improve the sales figures (and keep the
publishers happy), run it locked at 60fps, and set it up with PS2BB or
whatever the xbox broadband thing is called. Then you plug in your
Momo (not sure about plugging it into the oddly shaped USB ports on
the xbox, but it works with the PS2) and play away. If anybody can
give me a reasonable explanation why this would not work (without
using the 'console' excuse), then I will understand, but until then I
will remain confused at the illogical arguments.

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