rec.autos.simulators

by **Michael E. Carv** » Mon, 25 Dec 1995 04:00:00

Well I have been tinkering with a "good" way to cook up some numbers for
the missing drivers in ICR2. I still haven't come up with an excellent
method yet. So if any of you have any ideas you want to share let me
know. Until then, here are my suggested lines for L'il Al, Emo, and
Jacques.

DINFO 3 0 0 0 375 550 366 497 500 501 895 995
Paul_Tracy Paul Toronto,_Canada Canada CAN Newman-Haas_Racing

DINFO 6 0 0 0 375 562 351 529 500 501 998 999
Michael_Andretti Michael Bethlehem,_PA USA USA Newman-Haas_Racing

DINFO 27 2 0 0 375 562 420 577 500 501 775 910 Jacques_Villeneuve
Jacques St._Jean_sur_Richelieu,_Canada Canada CAN Team_Green_Racing

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by **Neil Yeatma** » Tue, 26 Dec 1995 04:00:00

> Well I have been tinkering with a "good" way to cook up some numbers for
> the missing drivers in ICR2. I still haven't come up with an excellent
> method yet. So if any of you have any ideas you want to share let me
> know. Until then, here are my suggested lines for L'il Al, Emo, and
> Jacques.

> DINFO 3 0 0 0 375 550 366 497 500 501 895 995
> Paul_Tracy Paul Toronto,_Canada Canada CAN Newman-Haas_Racing

> DINFO 6 0 0 0 375 562 351 529 500 501 998 999
> Michael_Andretti Michael Bethlehem,_PA USA USA Newman-Haas_Racing

> DINFO 27 2 0 0 375 562 420 577 500 501 775 910 Jacques_Villeneuve
> Jacques St._Jean_sur_Richelieu,_Canada Canada CAN Team_Green_Racing

It's just too bad that there isn't a column for "stupid moves". Then you
could bump up Tracy to 998 and 999 for that added realism factor... :)

Don't get me wrong...I love the guy...but he leaves me shaking my head at
times...

Neil

by **Michael E. Carv** » Tue, 26 Dec 1995 04:00:00

I have been tinkering with my method of cooking up numbers for this file
and have made a few modifications. I am also posting a few other
drivers to go with the cars I have been posting.

DINFO 10 0 1 0 325 550 350 499 500 501 500 700 Adrian_Fernandez Adrian
Mexico_City,_Mexico USA USA Galles_Racing_International

DINFO 3 0 0 0 375 550 366 485 500 501 895 995 Paul_Tracy Paul
Toronto,_Canada Canada CAN Newman-Haas_Racing

DINFO 6 0 0 0 375 562 351 529 500 501 998 999 Michael_Andretti Michael
Bethlehem,_PA USA USA Newman-Haas_Racing

DINFO 14 0 0 0 350 500 291 425 500 501 500 700 Eddie_Cheever Eddie
Phoenix,_AZ USA USA A.J._Foyt_Enterprises

DINFO 33 2 0 0 350 550 373 552 500 501 500 750 Teo_Fabi Teo
Milan,_Italy Italy ITA Forsythe_Racing

I have been using statistics from the end of the 1995 season. I try to
use the driver's standing in the points for the Power range. Trying to
fit them in with the range Papyrus gave the real drivers in the
original. I am using the driver's Average Starting position along with
the percentage of times they were still running at the finish to achieve
the first number for Traction. The higher number for Traction is based
on a similar formula involving the driver's average finishing position
along with the percentage of laps completed. The range for Aggression
is just a gut feeling at the time.

If any of you are using these suggested numbers, I would like some
feedback on how they perform in you racing environment.

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**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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by **J C Allenswort** » Thu, 28 Dec 1995 04:00:00

This is the first time I've seen the newsgroup. (COOL!!)
I son't have ICR2 yet. I can't find it in stores in Chicago. Don't ask why.

by **J C Allenswort** » Sat, 30 Dec 1995 04:00:00

I don't have ICR2 yet. I haven't found it stores yet in Chicago,
don't ask why. I here its an really cool sim.
The question I have is your drivers2.txt.
I've made major changes with my ICR1. Like changing names, drivers stats,
cars in paintkit program. Going as so far as changing

CARS
PC23---PC24/25 "94&95'years"
Lola 92--Reynard 94i
Buick V6--HondaV8
etc, etc, etc,

I don't see what's the big deal is. The use of driver names &
sponsors revoled around money. So if they don't what to play we
can just make them play with the push of a button on a keypad.
Remember if you own a PC you can't be that slow, THAT only MAC drivers.

Little Al in 96'

Later
JC

by **Brian Lindema** » Wed, 03 Jan 1996 04:00:00

>> Well I have been tinkering with a "good" way to cook up some numbers for
>> the missing drivers in ICR2. I still haven't come up with an excellent
>> method yet. So if any of you have any ideas you want to share let me
>> know. Until then, here are my suggested lines for L'il Al, Emo, and
>> Jacques.

>> DINFO 3 0 0 0 375 550 366 497 500 501 895 995
>> Paul_Tracy Paul Toronto,_Canada Canada CAN Newman-Haas_Racing

>> DINFO 6 0 0 0 375 562 351 529 500 501 998 999
>> Michael_Andretti Michael Bethlehem,_PA USA USA Newman-Haas_Racing

>> DINFO 27 2 0 0 375 562 420 577 500 501 775 910 Jacques_Villeneuve
>> Jacques St._Jean_sur_Richelieu,_Canada Canada CAN Team_Green_Racing

>It's just too bad that there isn't a column for "stupid moves". Then you
>could bump up Tracy to 998 and 999 for that added realism factor... :)

>Don't get me wrong...I love the guy...but he leaves me shaking my head at
>times...

>Neil

Michael Andretti might fall into this catagory also.

by **Josh Beauli** » Thu, 04 Jan 1996 04:00:00

>Subject: Re: ICR2: Some drivers2.txt changes
>Date: Mon, 25 Dec 1995 09:19:12 -0500

>> Well I have been tinkering with a "good" way to cook up some numbers for
>> the missing drivers in ICR2. I still haven't come up with an excellent
>> method yet. So if any of you have any ideas you want to share let me
>> know. Until then, here are my suggested lines for L'il Al, Emo, and
>> Jacques.

>> DINFO 3 0 0 0 375 550 366 497 500 501 895 995
>> Paul_Tracy Paul Toronto,_Canada Canada CAN Newman-Haas_Racing

>> DINFO 6 0 0 0 375 562 351 529 500 501 998 999
>> Michael_Andretti Michael Bethlehem,_PA USA USA Newman-Haas_Racing

>> DINFO 27 2 0 0 375 562 420 577 500 501 775 910 Jacques_Villeneuve
>> Jacques St._Jean_sur_Richelieu,_Canada Canada CAN Team_Green_Racing

>It's just too bad that there isn't a column for "stupid moves". Then you
>could bump up Tracy to 998 and 999 for that added realism factor... :)
>Don't get me wrong...I love the guy...but he leaves me shaking my head at
>times...
>Neil

Neil. Neil, Neil, Neil. How many races have you watched? Ever see Michael
Andretti race? Maybe Robby Gordon? To bash Paul Tracy like this is totally
uncalled for and absurd.
Paul Tracy is an aggressive driver, I'll give you that. But when compared to
the likes of both of the aforementioned, his "overaggressiveness" pales in
comparison. Just how many cars did Michael Andretti "punt" or rear-end in the
1995 season? Oh, and that post-race incident following the Cleveland Grand
Prix where Gordon side-swiped Andretti -- which resulted in fines and
probations. Yeah, that was totally called for.
Paul Tracy is so good because he is so aggressive. *Perhaps* a little
over-aggressive, but that's his style. At least he doesn't go around ramming
his opponents like Andretti and Gordon (esp. Andretti). The point is, when
you compare Paul Tracy to Michael Andretti or even Robby Gordon (keeping the
*facts* in mind), Tracy comes out looking like Ayrton Senna.

by **Josh Beauli** » Thu, 04 Jan 1996 04:00:00

>Subject: Re: ICR2: Some drivers2.txt changes
>Date: 25 Dec 1995 20:11:17 GMT
>I have been tinkering with my method of cooking up numbers for this file
>and have made a few modifications. I am also posting a few other
>drivers to go with the cars I have been posting.
>DINFO 10 0 1 0 325 550 350 499 500 501 500 700 Adrian_Fernandez Adrian
>Mexico_City,_Mexico USA USA Galles_Racing_International
>DINFO 3 0 0 0 375 550 366 485 500 501 895 995 Paul_Tracy Paul
>Toronto,_Canada Canada CAN Newman-Haas_Racing
>DINFO 6 0 0 0 375 562 351 529 500 501 998 999 Michael_Andretti Michael
>Bethlehem,_PA USA USA Newman-Haas_Racing
>DINFO 14 0 0 0 350 500 291 425 500 501 500 700 Eddie_Cheever Eddie
>Phoenix,_AZ USA USA A.J._Foyt_Enterprises
>DINFO 33 2 0 0 350 550 373 552 500 501 500 750 Teo_Fabi Teo
>Milan,_Italy Italy ITA Forsythe_Racing
>I have been using statistics from the end of the 1995 season. I try to
>use the driver's standing in the points for the Power range. Trying to
>fit them in with the range Papyrus gave the real drivers in the
>original. I am using the driver's Average Starting position along with
>the percentage of times they were still running at the finish to achieve
>the first number for Traction. The higher number for Traction is based
>on a similar formula involving the driver's average finishing position
>along with the percentage of laps completed. The range for Aggression
>is just a gut feeling at the time.
>If any of you are using these suggested numbers, I would like some
>feedback on how they perform in you racing environment.
>--
>**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
> Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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The Papyrus range of numbers (i.e. power and traction) is okay except for the
numbers of the backmarkers (Matsushita, Zampedri, etc.). To improve this,
make the minimums of power and traction for the slower cars between 150-200
and the maximums between 450-520

by **Michael E. Carv** » Thu, 04 Jan 1996 04:00:00

: The Papyrus range of numbers (i.e. power and traction) is okay except for the
: numbers of the backmarkers (Matsushita, Zampedri, etc.). To improve this,
: make the minimums of power and traction for the slower cars between 150-200
: and the maximums between 450-520

Papyrus made the "drag" numbers extremely high for the "backmarkers".
If I understand the method correctly, the game picks a number between
the range and that is how the driver drives during the whole session.
So if you give them a maximum of 450-520 they could (by luck of the
draw) out shine the whole field on occasions.

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**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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by **Josh Beauli** » Thu, 04 Jan 1996 04:00:00

>Subject: Re: ICR2: Some drivers2.txt changes
>Date: 3 Jan 1996 15:39:38 GMT

>: The Papyrus range of numbers (i.e. power and traction) is okay except for the
>: numbers of the backmarkers (Matsushita, Zampedri, etc.). To improve this,
>: make the minimums of power and traction for the slower cars between 150-200
>: and the maximums between 450-520
>Papyrus made the "drag" numbers extremely high for the "backmarkers".
>If I understand the method correctly, the game picks a number between
>the range and that is how the driver drives during the whole session.
>So if you give them a maximum of 450-520 they could (by luck of the
>draw) out shine the whole field on occasions.
>--
>**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
> Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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First of all, drag is basically meaningless. I've done some testing with the
numbers and I've found that drag basically only affects the qualifying times
-- albeit not too terribly much.
Second, if you have slower cars with maximums (traction and power)
between 450 - 500 with the minimums between 150 - 200, they will virtually
*never* run at the top of the field. Believe me, I've done some testing. The
thing to remember is traction is the *** factor for the overall
quickness of the car -- the second most dominat factor is power and then drag.
One more thing -- I've just completed a 1995 IndyCar set for ICR2 along
with a corresponding and super-realistic (in my opinion, and I've taken all of
the results of the 1995 season into account) drivers2.txt file. The IndyCars
are perfectly detailed -- all *31* of them -- and it took me a real long time.
I've uploaded the complete package to the Papyrus BBS (1-617-926-7599) but I
have one problem. Using FTP, I don't really know how to upload (or download,
for that matter) and whenever I try for a site on my Windows FTP program it
can't find it. If anyone has *any* information that may be helpful please
RSVP or e-mail me. Then you'll be able to download my IndyCars1995 package
and see if it's just as good as I think it is.
Thanks.

by **Neil Yeatma** » Thu, 04 Jan 1996 04:00:00

> >Subject: Re: ICR2: Some drivers2.txt changes
> >Date: Mon, 25 Dec 1995 09:19:12 -0500

> >> Well I have been tinkering with a "good" way to cook up some numbers for
> >> the missing drivers in ICR2. I still haven't come up with an excellent
> >> method yet. So if any of you have any ideas you want to share let me
> >> know. Until then, here are my suggested lines for L'il Al, Emo, and
> >> Jacques.

> >> DINFO 3 0 0 0 375 550 366 497 500 501 895 995
> >> Paul_Tracy Paul Toronto,_Canada Canada CAN Newman-Haas_Racing

> >> DINFO 6 0 0 0 375 562 351 529 500 501 998 999
> >> Michael_Andretti Michael Bethlehem,_PA USA USA Newman-Haas_Racing

> >> DINFO 27 2 0 0 375 562 420 577 500 501 775 910 Jacques_Villeneuve
> >> Jacques St._Jean_sur_Richelieu,_Canada Canada CAN Team_Green_Racing

> >It's just too bad that there isn't a column for "stupid moves". Then you
> >could bump up Tracy to 998 and 999 for that added realism factor... :)

> >Don't get me wrong...I love the guy...but he leaves me shaking my head at
> >times...

> >Neil

> Neil. Neil, Neil, Neil. How many races have you watched? Ever see Michael
> Andretti race? Maybe Robby Gordon? To bash Paul Tracy like this is totally
> uncalled for and absurd.
> Paul Tracy is an aggressive driver, I'll give you that. But when compared to
> the likes of both of the aforementioned, his "overaggressiveness" pales in
> comparison. Just how many cars did Michael Andretti "punt" or rear-end in the
> 1995 season? Oh, and that post-race incident following the Cleveland Grand
> Prix where Gordon side-swiped Andretti -- which resulted in fines and
> probations. Yeah, that was totally called for.
> Paul Tracy is so good because he is so aggressive. *Perhaps* a little
> over-aggressive, but that's his style. At least he doesn't go around ramming
> his opponents like Andretti and Gordon (esp. Andretti). The point is, when
> you compare Paul Tracy to Michael Andretti or even Robby Gordon (keeping the
> *facts* in mind), Tracy comes out looking like Ayrton Senna.

Heh heh....Yeah...I agree with you, Josh, but I hate Mike's guts, and don't give a
damn about what he does. Tracy, on the other hand, is a fave of mine (being a local
boy and all), so he pisses me off when he gets over-aggressive and wipes it out. The
end of the straight at Toronto this year comes to mind...

Neil

by **Robert Berus** » Thu, 04 Jan 1996 04:00:00

JB>>It's just too bad that there isn't a column for "stupid moves". Then you
>>could bump up Tracy to 998 and 999 for that added realism factor... :)

JB>>Don't get me wrong...I love the guy...but he leaves me shaking my head at
>>times...

JB>>Neil

JB>Neil. Neil, Neil, Neil. How many races have you watched? Ever see Michael
>Andretti race? Maybe Robby Gordon? To bash Paul Tracy like this is totally
>uncalled for and absurd.
>Paul Tracy is an aggressive driver, I'll give you that. But when compared t

>...
>over-aggressive, but that's his style. At least he doesn't go around rammin

>his opponents like Andretti and Gordon (esp. Andretti). The point is, when
>you compare Paul Tracy to Michael Andretti or even Robby Gordon (keeping the
>*facts* in mind), Tracy comes out looking like Ayrton Senna.

Tracy is to Ayrton Senna as I am to Dale Earnhardt. Tracy has a unique (and
annoying to his owner) habit of pushing the car past its limits. Its not
him drop kicking his oppenents on the track; its his 360's into retaining
walls, blowing the engine, and so many other things he's done that
warrants a "stupid moves" column for driver ratings in ICR2.

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by **Brett Higgin** » Fri, 05 Jan 1996 04:00:00

> The point is, when
> you compare Paul Tracy to Michael Andretti or even Robby Gordon (keeping the
> *facts* in mind), Tracy comes out looking like Ayrton Senna.

Compare Tracy to Andretti and Tracy looks like Senna? I'm just
cursious, how many Championships has Tracy won? And Andretti? Nuff
said.

by **Josh Beauli** » Mon, 08 Jan 1996 04:00:00

>Subject: Re: ICR2: Some drivers2.t
>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:42:00 GMT
>Tracy is to Ayrton Senna as I am to Dale Earnhardt. Tracy has a unique (and
>annoying to his owner) habit of pushing the car past its limits. Its not
>him drop kicking his oppenents on the track; its his 360's into retaining
>walls, blowing the engine, and so many other things he's done that
>warrants a "stupid moves" column for driver ratings in ICR2.

I said *COMPARED* to Andretti and Gordon. *COMPARED*.

by **Robert Berus** » Mon, 08 Jan 1996 04:00:00

>Subject: Re: ICR2: Some drivers2.t

JB>>Tracy is to Ayrton Senna as I am to Dale Earnhardt. Tracy has a unique (an

>>annoying to his owner) habit of pushing the car past its limits. Its not
>>him drop kicking his oppenents on the track; its his 360's into retaining
>>walls, blowing the engine, and so many other things he's done that
>>warrants a "stupid moves" column for driver ratings in ICR2.

JB> I said *COMPARED* to Andretti and Gordon. *COMPARED*.

So, what were you saying?

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