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ICR2: Some drivers2.txt changes

Josh Beauli

ICR2: Some drivers2.txt changes

by Josh Beauli » Fri, 12 Jan 1996 04:00:00



>Subject: Re: ICR2: Some drivers2.t
>Date: Sun,  7 Jan 1996 17:11:00 GMT

>  >Subject: Re: ICR2: Some drivers2.t
>JB>>Tracy is to Ayrton Senna as I am to Dale Earnhardt.  Tracy has a unique (an
>  >>annoying to his owner) habit of pushing the car past its limits.  Its not
>  >>him drop kicking his oppenents on the track; its his 360's into retaining
>  >>walls, blowing the engine, and so many other things he's done that
>  >>warrants a "stupid moves" column for driver ratings in ICR2.
>JB>     I said *COMPARED* to Andretti and Gordon.  *COMPARED*.
>So, what were you saying?

    I'm saying that Michael Andretti is the most recklessly aggressive driver
among the top ranking racing series in the world.  He is a tremendous hazard
to himself and all other drivers on the track, and has no concern for proper
racing style.  He's quick, I'll give him that, but being quick for a few laps
and then crashing out doesn't bring home championships or even wins (except
Toronto).  To back this up for all of you Michael Andretti lovers out there,
he was in the lead in each of the first 6 races of the season.  He crashed out
in 4, dramatically fell back in one (Long Beach) due to 2 major off-road
mishaps, and the other one he actually managed to finished -- he came second
to Gordon at Phoenix after a last-lap pass.  His most bonehead-ish outing
didn't come in any of these races, however.  This was at Cleveland, where he
slammed into the back of Herta in a major mid-race *mistake*, and to top it
off -- on the last lap after getting passed by Villeneuve, he blatantly and
purposely (I'll say this because I've reviewed this season's  race tapes
several times and I know his style) punted Villeneuve with his wing in
Jacques, right rear tire.  Miraculously, Jacques' tire did not blow and he
went on to win the race in style.  *THESE ARE THE FACTS.  FORMULATE YOUR OWN
OPINIONS.*
Jeffrey K. Sti

ICR2: Some drivers2.txt changes

by Jeffrey K. Sti » Fri, 12 Jan 1996 04:00:00

:     I'm saying that Michael Andretti is the most recklessly aggressive driver
: among the top ranking racing series in the world.  He is a tremendous hazard
: to himself and all other drivers on the track, and has no concern for proper
: racing style.  He's quick, I'll give him that, but being quick for a few laps
: and then crashing out doesn't bring home championships or even wins (except
: Toronto).  To back this up for all of you Michael Andretti lovers out there,
: he was in the lead in each of the first 6 races of the season.  He crashed out
: in 4, dramatically fell back in one (Long Beach) due to 2 major off-road
: mishaps, and the other one he actually managed to finished -- he came second
: to Gordon at Phoenix after a last-lap pass.  His most bonehead-ish outing
: didn't come in any of these races, however.  This was at Cleveland, where he
: slammed into the back of Herta in a major mid-race *mistake*, and to top it
: off -- on the last lap after getting passed by Villeneuve, he blatantly and
: purposely (I'll say this because I've reviewed this season's  race tapes
: several times and I know his style) punted Villeneuve with his wing in
: Jacques, right rear tire.  Miraculously, Jacques' tire did not blow and he
: went on to win the race in style.  *THESE ARE THE FACTS.  FORMULATE YOUR OWN
: OPINIONS.*

Let's see:
        Miami:  Cut off by a rookie, Suspention damage.
        Australia:  Lost second gear, rear brakes locked up and he admitted
                        that he was driving over his head
        Phoenix:  His team didn't tell him that he was in the lead and
                        thought that Gordon was unlapping himself
        Long Beach:  Just screwed up
        Nazareth:  Right front tire changer did not tighten the tire properly
                        and the rest is history
        Indianapolis:  Went high to pass Gugielmein(sp?), where he had passed
                        before, but it had turned to marbles when he tried
                        to pass there
        Cleveland:  If you think that Michael was the ONLY one making
                        "boneheadish" moves that day...
--
    ________                       ___
    |      | Congratulations to   /  |  Jeff Gordon, Jacques Villenueve &
    |      |           /--------/    |               Michael Schumacher
    ******** ____/---/IVCF,SCA 77    \--------^\__      ____
       \ \__/ __ \ \ ____________________________ =====/ __ \
       [   | /  \ |  \----_____/Jeffrey K. Stier ==== | /  \ |----\

            \____/--------------------------------^^^--\____/-|_________\

Josh Beauli

ICR2: Some drivers2.txt changes

by Josh Beauli » Fri, 12 Jan 1996 04:00:00



>Subject: Re: ICR2: Some drivers2.txt
>Date: 11 Jan 1996 01:08:56 -0500

>:     I'm saying that Michael Andretti is the most recklessly aggressive driver
>: among the top ranking racing series in the world.  He is a tremendous hazard
>: to himself and all other drivers on the track, and has no concern for proper
>: racing style.  He's quick, I'll give him that, but being quick for a few laps
>: and then crashing out doesn't bring home championships or even wins (except
>: Toronto).  To back this up for all of you Michael Andretti lovers out there,
>: he was in the lead in each of the first 6 races of the season.  He crashed out
>: in 4, dramatically fell back in one (Long Beach) due to 2 major off-road
>: mishaps, and the other one he actually managed to finished -- he came second
>: to Gordon at Phoenix after a last-lap pass.  His most bonehead-ish outing
>: didn't come in any of these races, however.  This was at Cleveland, where he
>: slammed into the back of Herta in a major mid-race *mistake*, and to top it
>: off -- on the last lap after getting passed by Villeneuve, he blatantly and
>: purposely (I'll say this because I've reviewed this season's  race tapes
>: several times and I know his style) punted Villeneuve with his wing in
>: Jacques, right rear tire.  Miraculously, Jacques' tire did not blow and he
>: went on to win the race in style.  *THESE ARE THE FACTS.  FORMULATE YOUR OWN
>: OPINIONS.*
>Let's see:
>        Miami:  Cut off by a rookie, Suspention damage.

        Funny how Michael always gets into these situations.  Hmmm.... could his
over-aggressiveness *possibly* have something to do with it?  He shouldn't
have tried the pass in a corner like that.

        Then he should have let Rahal past instead of wrecking his car and getting
zero points...

        I agree with you here.  Michael actually drove a pretty sane race.

        Over-aggressiveness -- he doesn't know when to sit back and take it a little
easier.  You can't charge your hardest the whole race and drive the ***out
the car like it's qualifying.  If you do this (esp. with tremendous
aggression,) chances are you are going to have a screw-up over the period of
two hours.  This is not how races are won and this is *certainly* not how
championships are won.

        I agree with you here.

        I definitely do not agree with you here.  That incident was, in my opinion,
about 20% Gugelmin's fault and about 80% Michael's.  What happened was
Gugelmin went into the pits with Michael not going in and only a little ways
behind.  When Michael saw Gugelmin pit, instead of letting off the throttle a
bit and/or taking a safer line, he tried to slam the car around the corner at
full throttle and hit the wall on turn 4  (another episode of the super-hard-charging
Michael).

So what are you saying?  If you are reffering to the first-lap incident
between Andre Ribeiro and Paul Tracy, then you are right in calling Ribeiro
(and *not* Tracy) a bonehead because he did not want to go two wide on the
chicane -- as every other row did on the track -- and thus cut Paul Tracy off
when Paul was up half a car length on Andre.  (I know what most people think
-- they see Tracy and someone like Ribeiro off and immediately assume that
Tracy is at fault since he is the more aggressive of the two.)  Another
"boneheadish" move would have to be Scott Pruett sending Gil de Ferran into
the tire barrier with under 10 laps to go -- Gil was leading and Scott was 2
(or 3) laps down...  Finally, concerning Cleveland, let us not forget Robby
Gordon's little post-race extravaganza...   Let's just say that he got off
easy with his "probation" and little fine.  (Michael was also put on
probation.)  This isn't bumper cars, people.

Josh Beaulieu    Langley, BC, Canada                        

Jeffrey K. Sti

ICR2: Some drivers2.txt changes

by Jeffrey K. Sti » Fri, 12 Jan 1996 04:00:00

: >        Australia:  Lost second gear, rear brakes locked up and he admitted
: > that he was driving over his head
:       Then he should have let Rahal past instead of wrecking his car and getting
: zero points...

Why, he had kept ahead of Rahal for over 5 laps previous.  If he could have
done that, why let him pass on the last lap
Also, he collected 2 points, the pole and most laps lead, and points for
9th.  

: >        Long Beach:  Just screwed up
:       Over-aggressiveness -- he doesn't know when to sit back and take it a little
: easier.  You can't charge your hardest the whole race and drive the ***out
: the car like it's qualifying.  If you do this (esp. with tremendous
: aggression,) chances are you are going to have a screw-up over the period of
: two hours.  This is not how races are won and this is *certainly* not how
: championships are won.

I refer you to the 1991 season.

: > Indianapolis:
: > Went high to pass Gugielmein(sp?), where he had passed                      
: > before, but it had turned to marbles when he tried                        
: > to pass there

:       I definitely do not agree with you here.  That incident was, in my opinion,
: about 20% Gugelmin's fault and about 80% Michael's.  What happened was
: Gugelmin went into the pits with Michael not going in and only a little ways
: behind.  When Michael saw Gugelmin pit, instead of letting off the throttle a
: bit and/or taking a safer line, he tried to slam the car around the corner at
: full throttle and hit the wall on turn 4  (another episode of the super-hard-charging
: Michael).

I am only arguing what I have read.  If I had my tape of the Indy 500 still,
I would continue to try and defend this incident.

: >Cleveland:  If you think
: >that Michael was the ONLY one making  "boneheadish"
: >moves that day...>-->

: >Jeffrey K. Stier

: So what are you saying?  If you are reffering to the first-lap incident
: between Andre Ribeiro and Paul Tracy, then you are right in calling Ribeiro
: (and *not* Tracy) a bonehead because he did not want to go two wide on the
: chicane -- as every other row did on the track -- and thus cut Paul Tracy off
: when Paul was up half a car length on Andre.  (I know what most people think
: -- they see Tracy and someone like Ribeiro off and immediately assume that
: Tracy is at fault since he is the more aggressive of the two.)  Another
: "boneheadish" move would have to be Scott Pruett sending Gil de Ferran into
: the tire barrier with under 10 laps to go -- Gil was leading and Scott was 2
: (or 3) laps down...  Finally, concerning Cleveland, let us not forget Robby
: Gordon's little post-race extravaganza...   Let's just say that he got off
: easy with his "probation" and little fine.  (Michael was also put on
: probation.)  This isn't bumper cars, people.

Actually, I am refering to the race as a whole.  It seems that a lot of
drivers decided to try having a demolition derby with open wheel cars.

--
    ________                       ___
    |      | Congratulations to   /  |  Jeff Gordon, Jacques Villenueve &
    |      |           /--------/    |               Michael Schumacher
    ******** ____/---/IVCF,SCA 77    \--------^\__      ____
       \ \__/ __ \ \ ____________________________ =====/ __ \
       [   | /  \ |  \----_____/Jeffrey K. Stier ==== | /  \ |----\

            \____/--------------------------------^^^--\____/-|_________\

georg

ICR2: Some drivers2.txt changes

by georg » Sat, 13 Jan 1996 04:00:00

That may be but racers like Andretti are the ones that make watching races
all that much more fun!!!
Dave Henr

ICR2: Some drivers2.txt changes

by Dave Henr » Mon, 15 Jan 1996 04:00:00

   > to Gordon at Phoenix after a last-lap pass.  His most bonehead-ish outing

   > didn't come in any of these races, however.  This was at Cleveland, where
h  
   > slammed into the back of Herta in a major mid-race *mistake*, and to top
it  
   > off -- on the last lap after getting passed by Villeneuve, he blatantly
and
   > purposely (I'll say this because I've reviewed this season's  race tapes
   > several times and I know his style) punted Villeneuve with his wing in
   > Jacques, right rear tire.  Miraculously, Jacques' tire did not blow and
he
   > went on to win the race in style.  *THESE ARE THE FACTS.  FORMULATE YOUR
OW
   > OPINIONS.*
   >
       Well Josh I've been claiming that Mike has been a tire cutter for
the last two years.  Long Beach, Portland, Detroit, and as you stated at
Cleveland, have all been locales for "Mike the Knife."  He is featured on
a new ESPN comercial and (I hope!) is spoofing himself by knocking
hallway pedestrians out of his way.
       If I were to rate the drivers last season, I would place Mike as
the fastest.  Followed by Jacques and Al Jr.  However if I were to rank
them as racers, he would be lower due to his damageing of his cars while
in no-win situations.(i.e. trying to hold off Rahal at Autralia after he
had already partially wrecked his car.)  Tracey and de Ferran are just a
notch below the above guys.  I really wonder about Emmo's season.  Was
the Penske really that bad or is the Great Brazillian finally fading?
Tracey and Andretti seemed fairly equal, the number of Reynard drivers
that won races was incredible so I wonder why Emmo's season was so
different from his teamate's.  Granted Al Jr. didn't have the best of
years, but he was consistantly near the front when Emmo was stuck near
the 20's.
Dave Henrie

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