rec.autos.simulators

Driver                Power           Traction        Drag
                      Minimum Maximum Minimum Maximum Minimum Maximum
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Jimmy Vasser #12           475     562     475     562     500     550
Scott Pruett #20           475     562     475     562     500     600
Christian Fittipaldi #     475     550     475     550     500     800
Andre Rebeiro #31          475     550     475     500     500     600
Al Unser, Jr. #2           475     550     475     525     600     700
Gil de Ferran #8           475     550     475     550     500     600
Greg Moore #99             475     550     475     500     500     600
Bobby Rahal #18            475     550     450     550     500     600
Robby Gordon #5            475     500     450     550     500     700
Alex Zanardi #4            475     550     475     562     500     600
Mauricio Gugelmin #17      475     500     475     500     500     600
Stefan Johansson #16       450     525     450     500     700     800
Raul Boesel #1             475     500     450     550     700     800
Eddie Lawson #10           450     525     475     500     700     800
Roberto Moreno #34         475     500     450     525     700     800
Michael Andretti #6        450     550     475     550     500     700
Bryan Herta #28            475     500     450     525     600     800
Hiro Matsushita #19        450     500     475     550     750     800
Emerson Fittipaldi #9      450     550     450     525     600     800
Adrian Fernandez #32       450     550     475     500     500     700
Paul Tracy #3              450     550     475     550     500     700
Marco Greco #7             450     525     425     550     800     900
Scott Goodyear #15         450     550     425     550     750     800
Carlos Guerrero #22        450     525     450     500     700     800
Juan Manuel Fangio II      450     525     450     500     800     900
Parker Johnstone #49       475     550     475     550     500     600
Mark Blundell #18          450     525     425     550     700     800
Jeff Krosnoff #25          450     500     450     550     750     900

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I might have to plug 'em into my ICR2 now..

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       Neil Yeatman, Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

: Hi Michael...let me say first that I really do appreciate the work you put
: into your DRIVERS.TXT files; I hope everybody else does.  Now let me say
: that I like this set of numbers much better than the first... :)

: I might have to plug 'em into my ICR2 now..

Thanks.  According to Papyrus so much of the driving AI is hardcoded,
but I think I am coming up with a good means of getting some real
(albeit "simulated") reflection of the current crop of IndyCar drivers.
Just for the heck of it I am including the Long Beach starting grid
produced by my numbers.  The data was based soley on the first 3 races.
It may not reflect the way they start this weekend, but it is pretty
close and some of them are right on the mark.  (NOTE:  Michael fare
better in the simulated version since he wasn't "blocked" all the time
on the track.  Wasn't it Littlest Al that said he liked going to Whine
Country, when he visited the Andrettis?)

    Pos   Car    Driver                              Time
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    1     #20    Scott Pruett                     53.093
    2      #8    Gil deFerran                     53.190
    3     #12    Jimmy Vasser                     53.352
    4     #18    Bobby Rahal                      53.455
    5      #6    Michael Andretti                 53.558
    6     #99    Greg Moore                       53.602
    7      #4    Alex Zanardi                     53.624
    8     #11    Christian Fittapaldi             53.678
    9      #3    Paul Tracy                       53.681
    10     #2    Al Unser Jr.                     53.690
    11    #31    Andre Ribeiro                    53.699
    12    #17    Mauricio Gugelmin                53.802
    13     #5    Robby Gordon                     53.905
    14    #32    Adrian Fernandez                 54.166
    15    #10    Eddie Lawson                     54.184
    16    #25    Jeff Krosnoff                    54.194
    17    #34    Roberto Moreno                   54.200
    18    #28    Bryan Herta                      54.213
    19    #22    Carlos Guerrero                  54.266
    20    #49    Parker Johnstone                 54.322
    21    #21    Mark Blundell                    54.388
    22     #1    Raul Boesel                      54.535
    23    #19    Hiro Matsushita                  54.544
    24    #16    Stefan Johansson                 54.567
    25    #36    Juan Manuel Fangio II            54.601
    26     #9    Emerson Fittipaldi               54.726
    27    #15    Scott Goodyear                   54.764
    28     #7    Marco Greco                      54.844
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[ps- this isn't a flame... your drivers2.txt is still the best I've seen
posted]

: >    Pos   Car    Driver                              Time
: >----------------------------------------------------------
: >    1     #20    Scott Pruett                     53.093
: >    2      #8    Gil deFerran                     53.190
[...]
: >    27    #15    Scott Goodyear                   54.764
: >    28     #7    Marco Greco                      54.844

: I'm using your latest drivers2.txt.  It's pretty good, but I have one major
: gripe: THE BACKMARKERS ARE WAY TOO DAMN FAST!!!  Their power/traction numbers
: need to be lowered by at least 100.  Re: your posting:  1.8 seconds
: difference for the whole field?  Should be around 3.5-4 secs.

Actually, at Long Beach the first 22 cars were within 1.2 seconds of each
other in qualifying.  The backmarkers started with Jeff Krosnoff:

Pos  Driver                Chassis-Engine           Time    Gap     Pct
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 1.  Gil de Ferran         Reynard 96-Honda-G     0:52.208
 2.  Alessandro Zanardi    Reynard 96-Honda-F     0:52.257  0.049   +0.09
 3.  Jimmy Vasser          Reynard 96-Honda-F     0:52.365  0.108   +0.30
 4.  Paul Tracy            Penske 96-Mercedes-G   0:52.521  0.156   +0.60
 5.  Scott Pruett          Lola 96-Ford-F         0:52.557  0.036   +0.67
 6.  Parker Johnstone      Reynard 96-Honda-F     0:52.651  0.094   +0.85
 7.  Robby Gordon          Reynard 96-Ford-G      0:52.754  0.103   +1.05
 8.  Greg Moore            Reynard 96-Mercedes-F  0:52.761  0.007   +1.06
 9.  Al Unser Jr.          Penske 96-Mercedes-G   0:52.796  0.035   +1.13
10.  Christian Fittipaldi  Lola 96-Ford-G         0:52.807  0.011   +1.15
11.  Mauricio Gugelmin     Reynard 96-Ford-G      0:52.864  0.057   +1.26
12.  Michael Andretti      Lola 96-Ford-G         0:52.871  0.007   +1.27
13.  Adrian Fernandez      Lola 96-Honda-F        0:52.895  0.024   +1.32
14.  Emerson Fittipaldi    Penske 96-Mercedes-G   0:52.917  0.022   +1.36
15.  Andre Ribeiro         Lola 96-Honda-F        0:52.951  0.034   +1.42
16.  Raul Boesel           Reynard 96-Ford-G      0:53.026  0.075   +1.57
17.  Bryan Herta           Reynard 96-Mercedes-G  0:53.187  0.161   +1.88
18.  Roberto Moreno        Lola 96-Ford-F         0:53.219  0.032   +1.94
19.  Teo Fabi              Reynard 96-Ford-G      0:53.221  0.002   +1.94
20.  Stefan Johansson      Reynard 96-Mercedes-G  0:53.343  0.122   +2.17
21.  Bobby Rahal           Reynard 96-Mercedes-G  0:53.362  0.019   +2.21
22.  Richie Hearn          Reynard 95-Ford-G      0:53.433  0.071   +2.35
23.  Jeff Krosnoff         Reynard 96-Toyota-F    0:53.923  0.490   +3.28
24.  Eddie Lawson          Lola 96-Mercedes-G     0:54.091  0.168   +3.61
25.  Hiro Matsushita       Lola 96-Ford-F         0:54.343  0.252   +4.09
26.  Juan Manuel Fangio II Eagle 96-Toyota-G      0:54.549  0.206   +4.48
27.  Michel Jourdain Jr.   Lola 96-Ford-G         0:55.808  1.259   +6.90
28.  Dennis Vitolo         Reynard 95-Ford-G      0:55.850  0.042   +6.98

I found Michael's revised drivers2.txt file pretty darn accurate up to,
say, the last three spots, where at Long Beach you had Gurney's
doggedly slow development Eagle, and then two *very* green rookies
(last minute additions), one driving a '95 car.  The entire field was way
faster this year than last year, and the emergence of the
Reynard-Honda-Firestone combination seems to have pushed the frontrunners
a little further in front than everyone else.  I think the only change
that needs to be made in the (revised) drivers2.txt file is maybe
punishing the Cosworths a little more, and the Eagle/Toyotas a *lot*
more.  And conversely, rewarding the Hondas.

The main problem I get with the drivers2.txt is getting drivers to
maintain consistency - one race I ran had King Hiro winning Long Beach,
which is about as likely as my grandmother winning, while Vasser's
(and Ganassi's) consistent *** is hard to accurately reflect.

BTW, hello, I'm a lurker.  On this group, anyway.

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