rec.autos.simulators

Is this GPal essential? VROC and Spyboy are.

Just questions...ok?

C

    I wanted to ask the same questions But didn't because of the way GPal has
been advertised.  Seems like he is giving away everything that's already in GPL
and just slapping his name on it.  He did forget some important things though..
Chat! Chat! and Chat!.

    But, then again,  If he can make this GPal work and make him look like a GOD
at the same time.. I say, go for it.

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Mystic Music

With regard to use of VROC/Spy Boy, GPaL will certainly not prevent you from
enjoying either. In fact, if you're hosting a VROC race, GPaL will make that
process a lot easier and much more flexible.

*Many* of the options that GPaL provides will not be in the GPL 1.1
interface. Several of the great new GPL 1.1 features, in the absence of
GPaL, will be accessible only through initialization file or command line
modifications. GPaL tries to bridge the gap by providing a friendly, fast,
familiar Windows interface to all this great functionality and adds some new
twists of its own. And you've only seen the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

But, of course, everybody is certainly entitled to an opinion. Personally, I
find it a little strange that you choose to complain about a product that:
1) represents a considerable amount of work, 2) is being offered for free,
and 3) you won't be compelled to use.

In the interest of equal time for GPaL, I'll close by sharing a piece from a
very nice unsolicited e-mail that I received from Tom Pabst just today. If
you are unfamiliar with Tom, he's a two-time SCCA National Champion, former
BMW factory team driver, a SCCA competition license instructor, sim racing
instructor, sim racing league organizer, and self-confessed GPL ***.
Here's what Tom had to say...

"let me say this about GPaL.  Including all of my experience and years in
real racing....with my sim racing of the past two years....I've not
previously run into a 'racing accessory' that is as 'innovative, completely
useful and utterly needed' as your GPaL creation."

Thanks, Tom! Exceptionally kind.

Believe me, I'm uncomfortable sharing this kind of feedback, but I guess I
feel a little compelled to offset the potential damage done by a few
reckless comments made by individuals who haven't really gained a sufficient
understanding of a product but nonetheless choose to publicly lambaste it.
Makes me understand why companies like Papyrus are reluctant to talk about
product details prior to release. My goal was, and is, to make the GPL
community part of the design process.

Jack Rambo

www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

Little curious how you're certain that "VROC 1.2 and the new SpyBoy also
have all the added features of your GPal [sic GPaL] program" since all the
features of GPaL haven't been revealed yet. To date, I've revealed the
contents of one of eight tabs in the GPaL interface. And one of those tab is
marked "TBA!"

Can you clarify?

Jack Rambo

www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

Flame! Flame!

Slam! Slam! Slam!

Yuck! Yuck!

Pooh! Pooh!

..er..

Now exactly WHAT were we talking about?

Mikey (I thought it was NRev...) the Slowpoke

|Looking through a mountain of positive response, I haven't found anyone
|that has a problem with having all the frequently modified GPL settings
|available in a single screen.
|
|With regard to use of VROC/Spy Boy, GPaL will certainly not prevent you
from
|enjoying either. In fact, if you're hosting a VROC race, GPaL will make
that
|process a lot easier and much more flexible.
|
|*Many* of the options that GPaL provides will not be in the GPL 1.1
|interface. Several of the great new GPL 1.1 features, in the absence of
|GPaL, will be accessible only through initialization file or command line
|modifications. GPaL tries to bridge the gap by providing a friendly, fast,
|familiar Windows interface to all this great functionality and adds some
new
|twists of its own. And you've only seen the tip of the proverbial iceberg.
|
|But, of course, everybody is certainly entitled to an opinion. Personally,
I
|find it a little strange that you choose to complain about a product that:
|1) represents a considerable amount of work, 2) is being offered for free,
|and 3) you won't be compelled to use.
|
|In the interest of equal time for GPaL, I'll close by sharing a piece from
a
|very nice unsolicited e-mail that I received from Tom Pabst just today. If
|you are unfamiliar with Tom, he's a two-time SCCA National Champion, former
|BMW factory team driver, a SCCA competition license instructor, sim racing
|instructor, sim racing league organizer, and self-confessed GPL ***.
|Here's what Tom had to say...
|
|"let me say this about GPaL.  Including all of my experience and years in
|real racing....with my sim racing of the past two years....I've not
|previously run into a 'racing accessory' that is as 'innovative, completely
|useful and utterly needed' as your GPaL creation."
|
|Thanks, Tom! Exceptionally kind.
|
|Believe me, I'm uncomfortable sharing this kind of feedback, but I guess I
|feel a little compelled to offset the potential damage done by a few
|reckless comments made by individuals who haven't really gained a
sufficient
|understanding of a product but nonetheless choose to publicly lambaste it.
|Makes me understand why companies like Papyrus are reluctant to talk about
|product details prior to release. My goal was, and is, to make the GPL
|community part of the design process.
|
|
|Jack Rambo

|www.RaceLive.com/GPaL
|
|
|
|

Jack Rambo

www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

No, No Adam, it's not useless......because it's not. The question I asked,
and received no answer to, was "is it essential" Adam, it is essential if
you are setting up your own servers and need an interface..........ok.

Question #2 was....."how this is going to interface with Spyboy or VROC. "
answer:

"With regard to use of VROC/Spy Boy, GPaL will certainly not prevent you
from
enjoying either. In fact, if you're hosting a VROC race, GPaL will make that
process a lot easier and much more flexible."

Now, do you think this answered that question?

Question #3: Is irc chat included ?
Answer:
......................................................................

I was not complaining as Mr. Rambo implied. I only said i didnt need a space
shuttle cabin approach to switch to f3 and a setup, and since i don't host
most is usless to ME.

Now the other 90% of Mr. Rambo's reply really had nothing to do with
answering the questions in my post, only served to draw attention away from
them. Im not sure im as enthusiastic about it the way Mr. Pabst is, but it
does look great.

Mr. Rambo encourages responses to his new toy and he encourages questions. I
only asked three.

Mr. Aytons reply was classic and very well thought out and did not deviate
from the subject and sooooooooo with that

Can you clarify?...........................Jack?

C

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/Magnus

I have to say I'm stunned and disappointed. This "I'm God" thing is
unbelievable. I, personally, have no idea of what you're talking about and
invite you to reply by posting quotes from "adverti***ts" wherein I
suggest, seek, or imply any god-like status.

I apologize if I have offended you or anyone else. I have simply tried to
promote a product, GPaL, for which I have a great deal of enthusiasm. If I
convey my genuine passion for GPaL's features, I see that as marketing,
not personal chest-beating.

You see, I'm just one guy who has spent a lot of time in front of the screen
writing code for an application (GPL) that I think hung the moon. I don't
have a big, nameless marketing department in the adjacent wing to promote my
product in anonymity. So when you see an "adverti***t" (generally in the
form of an RAS post or a news item on a sim racing news site) announcing
something I'm doing, you normally see my name at the bottom.

To give you an even better feel for my sensitivity on this issue, I'll also
share a couple more things with you. First, I generally attempt to avoid the
use of "I" as much as possible in ever piece I write (e.g. "GPaL will do
xyz" wins out every time over "I've given you the ability to do xyz").
Secondly, though I feel bad in that I sometimes have not acknowledged the
many kind words that people have bestowed upon me, GPaL, or the NTT series,
I have frequently chosen not to respond to many of their posts specifically
to minimize the amount of attention that is focused on me personally. (To
all those kind souls: Please don't think for a minute that your generous
words aren't appreciated! Thank you for each and every one!) So it seems, as
the expression goes, "Sometimes you just can't win for losing."

The really sad thing here is that there are probably many talented people
out there that see these kinds of attacks and simply decide not to
contribute because they know they don't have the constitution for it. It's a
needless loss and as long as it continues the sim racing community will be
the poorer for it.

Hope this clears up any misperceptions.

Jack Rambo

www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

    I have no problem with that!  Most everybody here has there name at the
bottom of a post!  Or at the very least, in there return address.

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Holodyne Engineering

Mystic Music

    Again, Maybe I read your re-post to me wrong.  I apologies for this, I'm having
a very bad day and it's apparently showing in my posts.

Mike Barlow

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Mystic Music

As for the "I might have read it wrong" part, well what good is that?
How would you feel if someone said "Hey, you seem like an *** to
me. But hey, maybe it's just me reading you wrong!"? Is that not an
insult? It sure as hell is where I come from.

Joe

No kidding.  Jeeez, this is a tough crowd.  You can't even GIVE stuff away!
Guess everyone's just in a funk over N3...........

Hang in there JR,

Steve B.

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