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Linearity for Momo in GPL & N2002

Silvia Twai

Linearity for Momo in GPL & N2002

by Silvia Twai » Sat, 17 Aug 2002 06:30:54

Hi all !

I used to race GPL with a CH-wheel and CH-pedals. (100 non-linearity in GPL
& Nascar)
Now I have a Momo. A great wheel but the linearity seems wrong...

What is the preferred setting here ?

Greetz,

Sylvia

Schoone

Linearity for Momo in GPL & N2002

by Schoone » Sat, 17 Aug 2002 07:04:18

As with any wheel 100%


Mitch_

Linearity for Momo in GPL & N2002

by Mitch_ » Sat, 17 Aug 2002 07:13:57

Not with my wheel.  5%...  100% makes it un-driveable.

TM PD2.


> As with any wheel 100%



> > Hi all !

> > I used to race GPL with a CH-wheel and CH-pedals. (100 non-linearity in
> GPL
> > & Nascar)
> > Now I have a Momo. A great wheel but the linearity seems wrong...

> > What is the preferred setting here ?

> > Greetz,

> > Sylvia

Schoone

Linearity for Momo in GPL & N2002

by Schoone » Sat, 17 Aug 2002 07:56:59

Then something is wrong.


> Not with my wheel.  5%...  100% makes it un-driveable.

> TM PD2.



> > As with any wheel 100%



> > > Hi all !

> > > I used to race GPL with a CH-wheel and CH-pedals. (100 non-linearity
in
> > GPL
> > > & Nascar)
> > > Now I have a Momo. A great wheel but the linearity seems wrong...

> > > What is the preferred setting here ?

> > > Greetz,

> > > Sylvia

Stev

Linearity for Momo in GPL & N2002

by Stev » Sat, 17 Aug 2002 08:11:45

100% linear here with N2002. Anything else makes it seem slugish.

--

__________

Steve


> Hi all !

> I used to race GPL with a CH-wheel and CH-pedals. (100 non-linearity in GPL
> & Nascar)
> Now I have a Momo. A great wheel but the linearity seems wrong...

> What is the preferred setting here ?

> Greetz,

> Sylvia

Joachim Trens

Linearity for Momo in GPL & N2002

by Joachim Trens » Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:22:51

In GPL, I used to have it set to around 50% linearity.

In N2002 I have it set to full linearity, but... for me the slider seems to
work the other way around, i.e. for me full linearity is with the slider
fully to the left. Nobody can explain why this is so, but when you follow
someone's advice and it doesn't work for you, maybe you're having the same
issue I have, and the slider works the other way around for you.

In order to determine where 'fully linear' is on your system, try to
determine at which setting of the slider your FF forces are stronger around
the wheel's center position. In the position where you feel more force
around the wheel's center position, that's where the wheel is more linear.

I am using a fully linear setting in N2002 according to this definition.

Achim


Mitch_

Linearity for Momo in GPL & N2002

by Mitch_ » Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:23:08

Nothing is wrong.  100% linear makes my wheel twitchy.  Your blanket
statement *All Wheels* is an incorrect assumption.  Maybe *ALL* Momo's, or
*ALL* FF wheels but not *ALL* wheels
:-)...


> Then something is wrong.



> > Not with my wheel.  5%...  100% makes it un-driveable.

> > TM PD2.



> > > As with any wheel 100%



> > > > Hi all !

> > > > I used to race GPL with a CH-wheel and CH-pedals. (100 non-linearity
> in
> > > GPL
> > > > & Nascar)
> > > > Now I have a Momo. A great wheel but the linearity seems wrong...

> > > > What is the preferred setting here ?

> > > > Greetz,

> > > > Sylvia

Schoone

Linearity for Momo in GPL & N2002

by Schoone » Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:24:09

All wheels work on the sample principle and typically should be set at or
near 100% linearity.
If it's twitchy then you may have a weird setup or the steering ratio off.
FF has no impact on a linearity setting nor would it being a Momo.


> Nothing is wrong.  100% linear makes my wheel twitchy.  Your blanket
> statement *All Wheels* is an incorrect assumption.  Maybe *ALL* Momo's, or
> *ALL* FF wheels but not *ALL* wheels
> :-)...



> > Then something is wrong.



> > > Not with my wheel.  5%...  100% makes it un-driveable.

> > > TM PD2.



> > > > As with any wheel 100%



> > > > > Hi all !

> > > > > I used to race GPL with a CH-wheel and CH-pedals. (100
non-linearity
> > in
> > > > GPL
> > > > > & Nascar)
> > > > > Now I have a Momo. A great wheel but the linearity seems wrong...

> > > > > What is the preferred setting here ?

> > > > > Greetz,

> > > > > Sylvia

Mitch_

Linearity for Momo in GPL & N2002

by Mitch_ » Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:48:28

I'm not going to continue arguing with you cause I'm right :-)    Are you
sitting in front of my wheel?  When you do sit there then you can argue some
more VBSEG...


> All wheels work on the sample principle and typically should be set at or
> near 100% linearity.
> If it's twitchy then you may have a weird setup or the steering ratio off.
> FF has no impact on a linearity setting nor would it being a Momo.



> > Nothing is wrong.  100% linear makes my wheel twitchy.  Your blanket
> > statement *All Wheels* is an incorrect assumption.  Maybe *ALL* Momo's,
or
> > *ALL* FF wheels but not *ALL* wheels
> > :-)...



> > > Then something is wrong.



> > > > Not with my wheel.  5%...  100% makes it un-driveable.

> > > > TM PD2.



> > > > > As with any wheel 100%



> > > > > > Hi all !

> > > > > > I used to race GPL with a CH-wheel and CH-pedals. (100
> non-linearity
> > > in
> > > > > GPL
> > > > > > & Nascar)
> > > > > > Now I have a Momo. A great wheel but the linearity seems
wrong...

> > > > > > What is the preferred setting here ?

> > > > > > Greetz,

> > > > > > Sylvia

Biz

Linearity for Momo in GPL & N2002

by Biz » Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:09:55

I hope you just mistyped this.  But most of with wheels run with 100% or close to 100% linear, NOT
non-linear.
--
Biz

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash


Dave Henri

Linearity for Momo in GPL & N2002

by Dave Henri » Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:52:03


   Not arguing, just a bit of advice.  If you put the slider up at or near
100% then make sure you also increase your steering lock percentage.  GPL
and N4 and Nk2k use opposite nomenclature for this feature....bigger is
slower in those titles where in most other sims and older papy stuff the
higher the # the faster the steering.
  So....try moving the linearity slider up and also move your steering lock
up until you have trouble getting around the tight turns...then move it back
slightly...let me know how that feels...if it's still too twitchy, then I
don't have any more hints...
dave henrie

Dave Henri

Linearity for Momo in GPL & N2002

by Dave Henri » Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:07:32


   Not arguing, just a bit of advice.  If you put the slider up at or near
100% then make sure you also increase your steering lock percentage.  GPL
and N4 and Nk2k use opposite nomenclature for this feature....bigger is
slower in those titles where in most other sims and older papy stuff the
higher the # the faster the steering.
  So....try moving the linearity slider up and also move your steering lock
up until you have trouble getting around the tight turns...then move it back
slightly...let me know how that feels...if it's still too twitchy, then I
don't have any more hints...
dave henrie

Gerry Aitke

Linearity for Momo in GPL & N2002

by Gerry Aitke » Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:14:17


> Nothing is wrong.  100% linear makes my wheel twitchy.  Your blanket
> statement *All Wheels* is an incorrect assumption.  Maybe *ALL* Momo's, or
> *ALL* FF wheels but not *ALL* wheels
> :-)...

All wheels i've ever tried, and i've even tried one like yours. Not
every player can handle 100% though. Less than 100% = less than a man.

Gerry

Leo Merikall

Linearity for Momo in GPL & N2002

by Leo Merikall » Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:17:03

Yup. Somethings definitely wrong then. Maybe its the 270 degree radius
of the MOMO wheel that with the 100% linearity seems too sluggish? I
think that setting linearity away from 100% will do anything but solve
your prob.

Leo


> Then something is wrong.



> > Not with my wheel.  5%...  100% makes it un-driveable.

> > TM PD2.



> > > As with any wheel 100%



> > > > Hi all !

> > > > I used to race GPL with a CH-wheel and CH-pedals. (100 non-linearity
>  in
>  GPL
> > > > & Nascar)
> > > > Now I have a Momo. A great wheel but the linearity seems wrong...

> > > > What is the preferred setting here ?

> > > > Greetz,

> > > > Sylvia

Malc

Linearity for Momo in GPL & N2002

by Malc » Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:10:17

The advice on this thread appears to be more conflicting than helpful, so I
hope I can straighten this out.

The feel of the steering & how you set it up is pretty subjective, so I'll
give a few examples of settings to achieve whatever your preference is:

If you find that the steering is too quick, raise the steering ratio in the
car setup page. Low values (like 9:1 or 8:1 etc) will let you get round
hairpins more easily, but will give you very twitchy steering on the
straights & fast corners so you'll need small, precise movements.
A high ratio (17:1, 18:1 etc) will be more forgiving and easier to control
on the straights, but reduces your overall turning ability making it harder
to get round hairpins. This is where the steering override can be useful,
but your requirements here will be dependant on the track. Monaco needs a
quicker ratio than Monza, for example.

This applies to any controller, even a Joystick (like me!).

The linearity slider will affect the way your controller movement effects
the game.
More linear will give a quicker reaction to small movements from centre, and
as you turn the controller more, the car steering will increase at the same
rate.
As a general rule, and it's subjective, this is better for Steering Wheels
than Joysticks.

Less linear will make small steering angles less sensitive, so you have to
move your controller more to make the same difference to the car steering,
but as you turn more, the car steering gets quicker, making large movements
have a much greater effect.

When I use a joystick, I tend to go mostly non-linear, with a slow steering
ratio (and the steering override on). This makes small movements quite
vague, but not too sharp (for me) with larger movements.

When I use a wheel, I use the exact opposite, more linear and a quick (9:1)
steering ratio. This makes small movements more precise, but not too sharp
with larger movements.

The thing to bear in mind is that if you download a really 'hot' setup,
check the steering ratio is okay for your controller. I understand that
Greger Huttu used a joystick with his earlier setups, so if you're using a
wheel, change the ratio from, say 17:1 to 12:1.

My personal opinion, having used both, is that joysticks are ultimately
faster than wheels, but less precise on the straights. A wheel will give you
a more realistic feel though, and after all, these are sims we're talking
about, so realism counts!

Malc.


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