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I can't lock up the breaks in F1 2002

Carl Ribbegaard

I can't lock up the breaks in F1 2002

by Carl Ribbegaard » Sun, 09 Jun 2002 21:07:29

Might it be I'm not using the full travel?
MOMO wheel.
Any clues?


/Carl

Douglas Elliso

I can't lock up the breaks in F1 2002

by Douglas Elliso » Sun, 09 Jun 2002 22:00:35


> Might it be I'm not using the full travel?
> MOMO wheel.
> Any clues?



Have you got Brake assist turned off?

Doug

Carl Ribbegaard

I can't lock up the breaks in F1 2002

by Carl Ribbegaard » Sun, 09 Jun 2002 22:24:53

Yes.

This is going full speed I'm talking about. When the car goes down to 100
kmp the wheels start to lock. This is a huge problem in Imola, where the
braking point's gets so much earlier than I think they should be.

/Carl




> > Might it be I'm not using the full travel?
> > MOMO wheel.
> > Any clues?


> Have you got Brake assist turned off?

> Doug

Douglas Elliso

I can't lock up the breaks in F1 2002

by Douglas Elliso » Sun, 09 Jun 2002 22:37:21


I dont know of many F1 braking zones larger than 100 metres - and with the
huge downforce and thus huge grip - it would be difficult to lock the wheels
at 180mph anyway.

Doug

Carl Ribbegaard

I can't lock up the breaks in F1 2002

by Carl Ribbegaard » Sun, 09 Jun 2002 23:02:27

It might be me playing N2002 too much and being used to be able to lock all
4 at any speed?
It will probably stay that way...

/Carl




> > Yes.

> > This is going full speed I'm talking about. When the car goes down to
100
> > kmp the wheels start to lock. This is a huge problem in Imola, where the
> > braking point's gets so much earlier than I think they should be.

> I dont know of many F1 braking zones larger than 100 metres - and with the
> huge downforce and thus huge grip - it would be difficult to lock the
wheels
> at 180mph anyway.

> Doug

Andreas Nystr?

I can't lock up the breaks in F1 2002

by Andreas Nystr? » Sun, 09 Jun 2002 23:04:20

First, you need to get the brakes working at right temperature.. not too
low, not too high.. in both those cases, the brakes will just not work.

Another part is to look at your axis-setup. Turn up the sensitivity off the
brake-axis.


> Might it be I'm not using the full travel?
> MOMO wheel.
> Any clues?


> /Carl

Gerry Aitke

I can't lock up the breaks in F1 2002

by Gerry Aitke » Mon, 10 Jun 2002 00:03:44


> It might be me playing N2002 too much and being used to be able to lock all
> 4 at any speed?

Why on earth would you want to do that in n2002? Locking up is the
quickest way I know of screwing my tyres.

Watch any F1 race and you'll see that they normally only lock the front
wheel with the heaviest loading. And even then it only seems to happen
at end of the braking zone.

Gerry

Gerry Aitke

I can't lock up the breaks in F1 2002

by Gerry Aitke » Mon, 10 Jun 2002 00:03:26


> It might be me playing N2002 too much and being used to be able to lock all
> 4 at any speed?

Why on earth would you want to do that in n2002? Locking up is the
quickest way I know of screwing my tyres.

Watch any F1 race and you'll see that they normally only lock the front
wheel with the heaviest loading. And even then it only seems to happen
at end of the braking zone.

Gerry

Carl Ribbegaard

I can't lock up the breaks in F1 2002

by Carl Ribbegaard » Mon, 10 Jun 2002 04:50:52

Yes of course I don't want to lock up the tires at any cost, the point was
that it's very easy to do in some games.
When I simply coudn't lock up the brakes in F1-2002 I get the feeling that I
could apply just a little bit more brake until the tires squeal ever so
slightly. When I couldn't brake so hard the tires locked, I assumed my setup
was wrong, and the game just registered that I was pressing the pedal
halfways?
If you run GPL or Nascar 2002, you have to be easy with the brake to prevent
a lockup. In GPL I even have to give halfway throttle to not spin while
braking before the hairpin at Rouen.

It may be difficult for me to describe the feeling in english, but when you
slam the brakes in F1-2002 it feels kinda like in a heavy old car with
brakes are all worn out.

/Carl



> > It might be me playing N2002 too much and being used to be able to lock
all
> > 4 at any speed?

> Why on earth would you want to do that in n2002? Locking up is the
> quickest way I know of screwing my tyres.

> Watch any F1 race and you'll see that they normally only lock the front
> wheel with the heaviest loading. And even then it only seems to happen
> at end of the braking zone.

> Gerry

Haqsa

I can't lock up the breaks in F1 2002

by Haqsa » Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:51:35

I don't have F1 2002 yet (not out for another week here in the States
according to Electronics Boutique) but doesn't it have built in
telemetry?  You could check your deceleration rate and see if it is
realistic.  I'm not certain what the right number is but I think you
should be able to get more than 3 G's deceleration.  If you are getting
those kind of numbers then your controller is probably fine.



> Yes of course I don't want to lock up the tires at any cost, the point
was
> that it's very easy to do in some games.
> When I simply coudn't lock up the brakes in F1-2002 I get the feeling
that I
> could apply just a little bit more brake until the tires squeal ever
so
> slightly. When I couldn't brake so hard the tires locked, I assumed my
setup
> was wrong, and the game just registered that I was pressing the pedal
> halfways?
> If you run GPL or Nascar 2002, you have to be easy with the brake to
prevent
> a lockup. In GPL I even have to give halfway throttle to not spin
while
> braking before the hairpin at Rouen.

> It may be difficult for me to describe the feeling in english, but
when you
> slam the brakes in F1-2002 it feels kinda like in a heavy old car with
> brakes are all worn out.

> /Carl




> > > It might be me playing N2002 too much and being used to be able to
lock
> all
> > > 4 at any speed?

> > Why on earth would you want to do that in n2002? Locking up is the
> > quickest way I know of screwing my tyres.

> > Watch any F1 race and you'll see that they normally only lock the
front
> > wheel with the heaviest loading. And even then it only seems to
happen
> > at end of the braking zone.

> > Gerry

Andreas Nystr?

I can't lock up the breaks in F1 2002

by Andreas Nystr? » Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:17:36

Around 4.5G under braking is possible according to real telemetry i saw.
Depends on tirechoose, tarmac, wheater :)


> I don't have F1 2002 yet (not out for another week here in the States
> according to Electronics Boutique) but doesn't it have built in
> telemetry?  You could check your deceleration rate and see if it is
> realistic.  I'm not certain what the right number is but I think you
> should be able to get more than 3 G's deceleration.  If you are getting
> those kind of numbers then your controller is probably fine.



> > Yes of course I don't want to lock up the tires at any cost, the point
> was
> > that it's very easy to do in some games.
> > When I simply coudn't lock up the brakes in F1-2002 I get the feeling
> that I
> > could apply just a little bit more brake until the tires squeal ever
> so
> > slightly. When I couldn't brake so hard the tires locked, I assumed my
> setup
> > was wrong, and the game just registered that I was pressing the pedal
> > halfways?
> > If you run GPL or Nascar 2002, you have to be easy with the brake to
> prevent
> > a lockup. In GPL I even have to give halfway throttle to not spin
> while
> > braking before the hairpin at Rouen.

> > It may be difficult for me to describe the feeling in english, but
> when you
> > slam the brakes in F1-2002 it feels kinda like in a heavy old car with
> > brakes are all worn out.

> > /Carl




> > > > It might be me playing N2002 too much and being used to be able to
> lock
> > all
> > > > 4 at any speed?

> > > Why on earth would you want to do that in n2002? Locking up is the
> > > quickest way I know of screwing my tyres.

> > > Watch any F1 race and you'll see that they normally only lock the
> front
> > > wheel with the heaviest loading. And even then it only seems to
> happen
> > > at end of the braking zone.

> > > Gerry

Andreas Nystr?

I can't lock up the breaks in F1 2002

by Andreas Nystr? » Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:18:28

Chech your speed under braking. If it slows down fast, your ok :)


> Yes of course I don't want to lock up the tires at any cost, the point was
> that it's very easy to do in some games.
> When I simply coudn't lock up the brakes in F1-2002 I get the feeling that
I
> could apply just a little bit more brake until the tires squeal ever so
> slightly. When I couldn't brake so hard the tires locked, I assumed my
setup
> was wrong, and the game just registered that I was pressing the pedal
> halfways?
> If you run GPL or Nascar 2002, you have to be easy with the brake to
prevent
> a lockup. In GPL I even have to give halfway throttle to not spin while
> braking before the hairpin at Rouen.

> It may be difficult for me to describe the feeling in english, but when
you
> slam the brakes in F1-2002 it feels kinda like in a heavy old car with
> brakes are all worn out.

> /Carl




> > > It might be me playing N2002 too much and being used to be able to
lock
> all
> > > 4 at any speed?

> > Why on earth would you want to do that in n2002? Locking up is the
> > quickest way I know of screwing my tyres.

> > Watch any F1 race and you'll see that they normally only lock the front
> > wheel with the heaviest loading. And even then it only seems to happen
> > at end of the braking zone.

> > Gerry

John Metco

I can't lock up the breaks in F1 2002

by John Metco » Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:13:33

of course the OTHER WAY
is to check for the lock up zone and
back off from there ....

That would be a really practical way since
that is how your car will race...


probably fine.

Haqsa

I can't lock up the breaks in F1 2002

by Haqsa » Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:28:03

Except that he said that he *couldn't* lock them over 100 kph, and was
therefore wondering if it meant that his controller was set up
incorrectly.  I think that what he experienced is normal (due to high
downforce), and the way to prove it is to check the decel rate.


jason moy

I can't lock up the breaks in F1 2002

by jason moy » Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:49:37

 braking point's gets so much earlier than I think they should be.

Difficult yes.  Impossible?

I have a hard time believing that an F1 car cannot lock all 4 brakes,
even at 200mph, if the brake pedal is literally pressed as far down as
it will go. Braking in F1 2001 is ridiculously easy, since you can
just put the pedal down as far as it will go  and not have to worry.
It would be nice if you had to use the same finesse with the brake
pedal as you do with the throttle.  In my F12k1 experience, going fast
was a matter of downloading one of Gregor Huttu's setups and simply
lapping the track a few times to figure out the exact points where I
needed to mash the brakes all the way down and then where I could be
at full throttle without looping it.  With the already limited
challenge of point-and-squirt tracks, it would be nice to have a brake
pedal that operated like a brake pedal.  You might as well assign the
brakes to a button.

Jason


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