"no passing till backstretch" and "no racing to yellow" are both a good
start. Perhaps a few rules will help the guys that only race Sierra
understand whats expected from them as drivers.
Mitch
Mitch
I think it was a courageous and justified step of you to declare this one as
a 'no yellow' race, and I think everyone should give this a chance.
I perfectly understand the concern that driving without yellows takes away
from the strategy, but considering the intensely yellow colour the previous
Pocono race has had, you also have to ask where's there any strategy left at
all if by mid-race your tires are almost unused and the driver still feels
as fit as a fiddle because you've run under yellow all the time?
I think the wear and tear caused by a race consistently run at race speed
will emphasize the strategical aspect far more than what not using yellows
reduces it by.
Achim
> >"EldredP" writes:
> >> >No yellows - eh.... what a drag.
> >> >:-(
> >> No yellows, because the last Pocono race had a TON of yellow flags. 7
> >yellow
> >> flags for 27 laps is pretty damn boring...
> >Count me out then... 40% race and no yellows is not the thing for me.
> >Sorry Eldred.
> Sigh - sounds like a no-win situation. We've had people quit because
there
> were too many yellows, but people don't want to run with NO yellows. I'm
> really getting frustrated about the whole thing... :(
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> When you compare our Dover race to the typical online Dover race, we
didn't
> do all that bad...
> If I had one thing to say, it's that we need to clean up our act during
the
> yellows themselves, especially when they come out.
> No slamming on brakes (sheesh, please!)
> Don't run up on the field at 837mph.
> :)
> -Larry
> > Let's face it, so does running 70% of the race under yellow...
> > Achim
> > > No yellows really screws up strategy on long races :(
> > ...
>I think it was a courageous and justified step of you to declare this one as
>a 'no yellow' race, and I think everyone should give this a chance.
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> >Let's run without yellows at least once. Someone causing a yellow will be
> >left behind. That might be incentive to drive a little smarter and
cleaner.
> That's what I had hoped, even though I'll probably be the first
crash...<g>
> Eldred
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-Larry
> >"EldredP" writes:
> >> >No yellows - eh.... what a drag.
> >> >:-(
> >> No yellows, because the last Pocono race had a TON of yellow flags. 7
> >yellow
> >> flags for 27 laps is pretty damn boring...
> >Count me out then... 40% race and no yellows is not the thing for me.
> >Sorry Eldred.
> Sigh - sounds like a no-win situation. We've had people quit because
there
> were too many yellows, but people don't want to run with NO yellows. I'm
> really getting frustrated about the whole thing... :(
> Eldred
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I have shown up at the last 2 of Eldred's races just BECAUSE they were 40%,
Yellow-enforced races.
I felt like I was in a real race, where taking care of the tires, staying
out of trouble, and good pit strategy all became an important part of the
event. You can't do that with short races with no yellows. Ya just can't.
Short/No yellow races are nothing more than long hotlap sessions. They
aren't races.
-Larry
> It is no easy task to setup for clean races especially with different
> drivers showing each week.
> My experience has shown it typically takes a month or more to get to a
point
> where you can get yellows even close to an acceptable level and that is
with
> running the same drivers each race. One tip is that you will never please
> everyone so I'd suggest not even trying. Different drivers like different
> settings, tracks, etc. If you plan on running open races like this I would
> suggest 25-20% no yellows, otherwise it will be very long and boring
running
> under yellows the majority of the race. Another thing to try is single
file
> restarts, that will at least help keep cars apart after a yellow. A no
pass
> rule for the first lap or first half lap can be a big help in preventing
the
> green flag jumpers.
> Pocono is a really hard track to run on for new drivers that haven't run
> together before. The braking into the turns is difficult as people run in
> at different speeds and tend to run each other over. It is a track that
> requires a lot of practice and one slip and a car is into someone.
> Having been through all this I can tell you it certainly gets frustrating
> but I have yet to see a league where that was not the case. If you want
to
> be a success you need to stick it out for the long haul. Best of luck.
> Mark Langille - Schooner2000
> League Commissioner
> www.corl.ca - Canadian Online Racing League
> > >"EldredP" writes:
> > >> >No yellows - eh.... what a drag.
> > >> >:-(
> > >> No yellows, because the last Pocono race had a TON of yellow flags.
7
> > >yellow
> > >> flags for 27 laps is pretty damn boring...
> > >Count me out then... 40% race and no yellows is not the thing for me.
> > >Sorry Eldred.
> > Sigh - sounds like a no-win situation. We've had people quit because
> there
> > were too many yellows, but people don't want to run with NO yellows.
I'm
> > really getting frustrated about the whole thing... :(
> > Eldred
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I can go along with no passing till backstretch, but racing to the yellow is
too instrumental in some cases.
-Larry
> Mitch
> > "EldredP" writes:
> > > Sigh - sounds like a no-win situation. We've had people quit because
> > there
> > > were too many yellows, but people don't want to run with NO yellows.
> I'm
> > > really getting frustrated about the whole thing... :(
> > Eldred,
> > IMHO, removing the yellows will not help on the problem... It's not the
> > cations thats is the problem - its the drivers! It would be like
removing
> > the medicine and let a disease find it's own cure; once it's killed all
> > there is to kill - it will just die out by lack of victims and be gone.
> > Now I did not particeipate in the first Pocono race, but AFAIK that was
"a
> > long time ago". Things has improved, Imho, and as we start to visit
tracks
> > for the second time and as the drivers start to know each other things
> will
> > only get better.. The last race at Dover we had 14 yellows... (and
> > atleast 4 of these could have been easily avoided if people just would
> > listen) - thats just a fraction over 1/3rd of the race... Now looking
> back
> > at other races the amount of caution laps have been closer to 50% or
even
> > more. So things are improving. (And it certainly beat any other "pickup"
> > races you can find on Sierra!)
> > One should also realize that last time you raced at Pocono it was the
> first
> > RASCAR race for some drivers... it was also the first time the field was
> of
> > any real size..
> > I for one would not mind at all if we were to take RASCAR a bit further
> and
> > add some rules to it.. A small but effective rulebook can be made. If
> > man-power is needed here - I'll be glad to help out. I've managed
leagues
> > before and also written rulebooks before.
> > It dosnt have to be super-serious - it only means that we all must play
by
> > the same rules.
> > 'Talk to me' :-)
> > --
> > ed_
Brian Oster
On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:45:29 -0600, "John Pancoast"
> We don't use it in my league, usually get around three yellows per 40%
>race, including three at a 160 lapper at Richmond :)
> But different strokes.
>-John
>> Cant say I agree with you there John....
Brian Oster
>>"EldredP" writes:
>>> >No yellows - eh.... what a drag.
>>> >:-(
>>> No yellows, because the last Pocono race had a TON of yellow flags. 7
>>yellow
>>> flags for 27 laps is pretty damn boring...
>>Count me out then... 40% race and no yellows is not the thing for me.
>>Sorry Eldred.
>Sigh - sounds like a no-win situation. We've had people quit because there
>were too many yellows, but people don't want to run with NO yellows. I'm
>really getting frustrated about the whole thing... :(
>Eldred
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>I can go along with no passing till backstretch, but racing to the yellow is
>too instrumental in some cases.
Brian Oster
>-Larry
>> I agree Ed. I think a few minor rules are in order. I would like to see
>a
>> "no passing till backstretch" and "no racing to yellow" are both a good
>> start. Perhaps a few rules will help the guys that only race Sierra
>> understand whats expected from them as drivers.
>> Mitch
>> > "EldredP" writes:
>> > > Sigh - sounds like a no-win situation. We've had people quit because
>> > there
>> > > were too many yellows, but people don't want to run with NO yellows.
>> I'm
>> > > really getting frustrated about the whole thing... :(
>> > Eldred,
>> > IMHO, removing the yellows will not help on the problem... It's not the
>> > cations thats is the problem - its the drivers! It would be like
>removing
>> > the medicine and let a disease find it's own cure; once it's killed all
>> > there is to kill - it will just die out by lack of victims and be gone.
>> > Now I did not particeipate in the first Pocono race, but AFAIK that was
>"a
>> > long time ago". Things has improved, Imho, and as we start to visit
>tracks
>> > for the second time and as the drivers start to know each other things
>> will
>> > only get better.. The last race at Dover we had 14 yellows... (and
>> > atleast 4 of these could have been easily avoided if people just would
>> > listen) - thats just a fraction over 1/3rd of the race... Now looking
>> back
>> > at other races the amount of caution laps have been closer to 50% or
>even
>> > more. So things are improving. (And it certainly beat any other "pickup"
>> > races you can find on Sierra!)
>> > One should also realize that last time you raced at Pocono it was the
>> first
>> > RASCAR race for some drivers... it was also the first time the field was
>> of
>> > any real size..
>> > I for one would not mind at all if we were to take RASCAR a bit further
>> and
>> > add some rules to it.. A small but effective rulebook can be made. If
>> > man-power is needed here - I'll be glad to help out. I've managed
>leagues
>> > before and also written rulebooks before.
>> > It dosnt have to be super-serious - it only means that we all must play
>by
>> > the same rules.
>> > 'Talk to me' :-)
>> > --
>> > ed_
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> I can go along with no passing till backstretch, but racing to the yellow is
> too instrumental in some cases.
> -Larry
> > I agree Ed. I think a few minor rules are in order. I would like to see
> a
> > "no passing till backstretch" and "no racing to yellow" are both a good
> > start. Perhaps a few rules will help the guys that only race Sierra
> > understand whats expected from them as drivers.
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