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Remember the guys who ran 120 laps (or so) green at Richmond and had N2002
throw them a yellow for 'debrise on track'...
That was the FastFood Racing League...  here's a little clip from their
small but effective rule book:

"9. On a restart, you MUST hold your lane (either high or low) until the
back straight if a car is above or below you. Do not pass until the
backstraight.  The only exception to this is if you know the car in front of
you to be damaged, and it is safe to switch lanes. Gents, we all know the
perils of re-starting, let's be careful out there, eh?"

This *is* effective aslong as everyone play by the same book.

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"John Pancoast" said:

:-)

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I think we should give it a try. It might turn out better than
some of us think.

Cheers,

uwe

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  We don't use it in my league, usually get around three yellows per 40%
race, including three at a 160 lapper at Richmond :)

  But different strokes.

-John

When you compare our Dover race to the typical online Dover race, we didn't
do all that bad...

If I had one thing to say, it's that we need to clean up our act during the
yellows themselves, especially when they come out.

No slamming on brakes (sheesh, please!)
Don't run up on the field at 837mph.

:)

-Larry

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I sure hope I don't have to work Saturday...again ;-(

I LOVE POCONO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Gary ;-)

It is no easy task to setup for clean races especially with different
drivers  showing each week.
My experience has shown it typically takes a month or more to get to a point
where you can get yellows even close to an acceptable level and that is with
running the same drivers each race.  One tip is that you will never please
everyone so I'd suggest not even trying.  Different drivers like different
settings, tracks, etc. If you plan on running open races like this I would
suggest 25-20% no yellows, otherwise it will be very long and boring running
under yellows the majority of the race.  Another thing to try is single file
restarts, that will at least help keep cars apart after a yellow.  A no pass
rule for the first lap or first half lap can be a big help in preventing the
green flag jumpers.

Pocono is a really hard track to run on for new drivers that haven't run
together before.  The braking into the turns is difficult as people run in
at different speeds and tend to run each other over.  It is a track that
requires a lot of practice and one slip and a car is into someone.

Having been through all this I can tell you it certainly gets frustrating
but I have yet to see a league where that was not the case.  If you want to
be a success you need to stick it out for the long haul.  Best of luck.

Mark Langille - Schooner2000
League Commissioner
www.corl.ca - Canadian Online Racing League

BTW, the start at Dover and the first few restarts were pretty clean. It
looked like everyone was giving a little. It wasn't until frustration set in
that we started having some problems.

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This isn't a league - it's merely a semi-restricted pickup race that
happens once a week.  Because of that, everybody balks at the idea of
having rules of conduct, and there's no real incentive to always drive
clean because there's no points and no penalties.

Like it or not, that's the way it is.

I think no yellows would be okay under these circumstances. We don't yet
have any intentional wreckers that I know of, so wrecks will be either
one of them racing deals, warp-induced, or someone that hasn't
practiced.

I don't think Eldred is up for administrating a league, especially since
he's participating as a ddriver in at least one league himself.  I know
first-hand what being admin is like, and it is not very much fun
sometimes.

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Eldred,

IMHO, removing the yellows will not help on the problem...  It's not the
cations thats is the problem - its the drivers!  It would be like removing
the medicine and let a disease find it's own cure; once it's killed all
there is to kill - it will just die out by lack of victims and be gone.

Now I did not particeipate in the first Pocono race, but AFAIK that was "a
long time ago". Things has improved, Imho, and as we start to visit tracks
for the second time and as the drivers start to know each other things will
only get better..     The last race at Dover we had 14 yellows... (and
atleast 4 of these could have been easily avoided if people just would
listen) - thats just a fraction over 1/3rd of the race...  Now looking back
at other races the amount of caution laps have been closer to 50% or even
more. So things are improving. (And it certainly beat any other "pickup"
races you can find on Sierra!)

One should also realize that last time you raced at Pocono it was the first
RASCAR race for some drivers... it was also the first time the field was of
any real size..

I for one would not mind at all if we were to take RASCAR a bit further and
add some rules to it.. A small but effective rulebook can be made.  If
man-power is needed here - I'll be glad to help out. I've managed leagues
before and also written rulebooks before.
It dosnt have to be super-serious - it only means that we all must play by
the same rules.

'Talk to me' :-)

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The race Saturday was supposed to be single file restarts.  Since I was late
starting it, I forgot to set it...  The 'no-yellows' is an attempt to keep some
e***ment in the race.  Driving around under yellow is pretty boring...

And since we're NOT a league, there aren't any 'probation' cards we can play...

Thanks.

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