rec.autos.simulators

by **Carlo** » Wed, 30 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Hi,I just wondered if anyone knows if there is a patch for
"anti-aliasing" in Nascar2.I have a 3DBlaster video card .Any help
would be helpful.

by **Dana Baile** » Fri, 02 May 1997 04:00:00

> > Hi,I just wondered if anyone knows if there is a patch for
> >"anti-aliasing" in Nascar2.I have a 3DBlaster video card .Any help
> >would be helpful.

> Papy plans "NO" patch for AA ..; (

> take care

> Julian "Mr. Turtle" Data

How do you know this? If this is true I would strongly recommend nobody
purchase a Rendition based board. Voodoo based cards offer much better
performance than Verite cards and they cost less now than Rendition
boards. If Sierra can't find their way to support all the features of
its own graphics card why should anyone else. These ***ing software
companies have got to be the stupidest, laziest, and greediest bunch of
no good SOBs there are. I find it quite ironic that a company that
sells its own Rendition card will be the one who kills it. Nascar2 and
Indycar2 are the only real reasons to own a Rendition video card at all
because everything else runs better on Voodoo graphics. If Sierra is
planning a windows version of Nascar2 then there is still no reason to
own a Rendition card because it would most likely run on Voodoo cards as
well at even higher speeds. Sierra you make me sick.

I have owned my Reactor for almost 6 months now and what do I have to
show for it. One(!) driver update for a brand new card in 6 months,
Diamond looks like Matrox compared to this. A couple of fairly decent
ports of some aging games. An extremely mediocre Nascar2 which pales in
comparison to the year and a half old Indycar2 in graphics quality and
performance. It's too bad I don't think Quake is the greatest game in
the world or I might not care so much. Well that's about all there is,
no new games worth mentioning for months now. I'm glad I got my Reactor
for the $149 introductory price. I think I'll return the Screamin 3D I
got last month just because Sierra made some money from it.

I think it's about time somebody stood up and took some heat about this,
anybody got the balls? Anyone at Rendition still lurking here?
Papyrus?

Dana Bailes

by **motisk** » Fri, 02 May 1997 04:00:00

> > > Hi,I just wondered if anyone knows if there is a patch for
> > >"anti-aliasing" in Nascar2.I have a 3DBlaster video card .Any help
> > >would be helpful.

> > Papy plans "NO" patch for AA ..; (

> > take care

> > Julian "Mr. Turtle" Data

> How do you know this? If this is true I would strongly recommend nobody
> purchase a Rendition based board. Voodoo based cards offer much better
> performance than Verite cards and they cost less now than Rendition
> boards. If Sierra can't find their way to support all the features of
> its own graphics card why should anyone else. These ***ing software
> companies have got to be the stupidest, laziest, and greediest bunch of
> no good SOBs there are. I find it quite ironic that a company that
> sells its own Rendition card will be the one who kills it. Nascar2 and
> Indycar2 are the only real reasons to own a Rendition video card at all
> because everything else runs better on Voodoo graphics. If Sierra is
> planning a windows version of Nascar2 then there is still no reason to
> own a Rendition card because it would most likely run on Voodoo cards as
> well at even higher speeds. Sierra you make me sick.

> I have owned my Reactor for almost 6 months now and what do I have to
> show for it. One(!) driver update for a brand new card in 6 months,
> Diamond looks like Matrox compared to this. A couple of fairly decent
> ports of some aging games. An extremely mediocre Nascar2 which pales in
> comparison to the year and a half old Indycar2 in graphics quality and
> performance. It's too bad I don't think Quake is the greatest game in
> the world or I might not care so much. Well that's about all there is,
> no new games worth mentioning for months now. I'm glad I got my Reactor
> for the $149 introductory price. I think I'll return the Screamin 3D I
> got last month just because Sierra made some money from it.

> I think it's about time somebody stood up and took some heat about this,
> anybody got the balls? Anyone at Rendition still lurking here?
> Papyrus?

> Dana Bailes

I agree. Indycar looks 100x better with it so whynot find someone who
can do that work.
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Brian Motisko

717-876-5536
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
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by **ccorpor** » Fri, 02 May 1997 04:00:00

Julian:

Dana layin the hammer:

R:

Wow this is from one of my racing buddies. He's a real diehard Nascar man, I'm
personally shocked he would go this far. But I agree with him 100% that there
should be a upgrade for the Rendition card and EVEN BIGGER a VOOOO port.

Come'on Adam, Charlie and Ken. You got the best racing games, now take them to
their graphical limits for today. I coulda sworn there is a guy at 3DFX that
would be more than happy to do the port. Or is the voodoo only getting
Silicoln Motor Raceway's Nascar?

N2 could use AA and another 5-10 frames per. OR up to your older ICR2
standards. I thought Nascar 2 was supposed to be the reason to buy a Rendition
(which it is) but I thought it woulda backed it up with the best gfx and
performance which it doesn't.

Yeah I think it's time to hear from Rendition on this as well. Are they still
alive?

PS So far Charlie your multiplayer patch is holding up pretty well!!

Bittersweet,
Q.B.M.

by **Mike Schreine** » Fri, 02 May 1997 04:00:00

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> Julian:

> > > Papy plans "NO" patch for AA ..; (

> Dana layin the hammer:

> > How do you know this? If this is true I would strongly recommend
> nobody
> > purchase a Rendition based board. Voodoo based cards offer much
> better
> > performance than Verite cards and they cost less now than
> Rendition
> > boards. If Sierra can't find their way to support all the
> features of
> > its own graphics card why should anyone else. These ***ing
> software
> > companies have got to be the stupidest, laziest, and greediest
> bunch of
> > no good SOBs there are. I find it quite ironic that a company
> that
> > sells its own Rendition card will be the one who kills it.
> Nascar2 and
> > Indycar2 are the only real reasons to own a Rendition video card
> at all
> > because everything else runs better on Voodoo graphics. If Sierra
> is
> > planning a windows version of Nascar2 then there is still no
> reason to
> > own a Rendition card because it would most likely run on Voodoo
> cards as
> > well at even higher speeds. Sierra you make me sick.

> > I have owned my Reactor for almost 6 months now and what do I have
> to
> > show for it. One(!) driver update for a brand new card in 6
> months,
> > Diamond looks like Matrox compared to this. A couple of fairly
> decent
> > ports of some aging games. An extremely mediocre Nascar2 which
> pales in
> > comparison to the year and a half old Indycar2 in graphics quality
> and
> > performance. It's too bad I don't think Quake is the greatest
> game in
> > the world or I might not care so much. Well that's about all
> there is,
> > no new games worth mentioning for months now. I'm glad I got my
> Reactor
> > for the $149 introductory price. I think I'll return the Screamin
> 3D I
> > got last month just because Sierra made some money from it.

> > I think it's about time somebody stood up and took some heat about
> this,
> > anybody got the balls? Anyone at Rendition still lurking here?
> > Papyrus?

> > Dana Bailes

> R:

> Wow this is from one of my racing buddies. He's a real diehard
> Nascar man, I'm
> personally shocked he would go this far. But I agree with him 100%
> that there
> should be a upgrade for the Rendition card and EVEN BIGGER a VOOOO
> port.

> Come'on Adam, Charlie and Ken. You got the best racing games, now
> take them to
> their graphical limits for today. I coulda sworn there is a guy at
> 3DFX that
> would be more than happy to do the port. Or is the voodoo only
> getting
> Silicoln Motor Raceway's Nascar?

> N2 could use AA and another 5-10 frames per. OR up to your older
> ICR2
> standards. I thought Nascar 2 was supposed to be the reason to buy a
> Rendition
> (which it is) but I thought it woulda backed it up with the best gfx
> and
> performance which it doesn't.

> Yeah I think it's time to hear from Rendition on this as well. Are
> they still
> alive?

> PS So far Charlie your multiplayer patch is holding up pretty well!!

> Bittersweet,
> Q.B.M.

As much as I am a NASCAR fan and an avid N2 player/enthusaist, I have to
agree that ICR2 is 5x better as far as graphic performance and look
goes.
It does really kinda suck that there will be no AA or further updates to
the rendition version of N2........

Mick in Tampa

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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Julian:
 
 > > Papy plans "NO" patch for AA ..; (
 
 Dana layin the hammer:
 
 > How do you know this?  If this is true I would strongly recommend
nobody
 > purchase a Rendition based board.  Voodoo based cards offer much
better
 > performance than Verite cards and they cost less now than Rendition
 > boards.  If Sierra can't find their way to support all the features
of
 > its own graphics card why should anyone else.  These ***ing
software
 > companies have got to be the stupidest, laziest, and greediest bunch
of
 > no good SOBs there are.  I find it quite ironic that a company
that
 > sells its own Rendition card will be the one who kills it.  Nascar2
and
 > Indycar2 are the only real reasons to own a Rendition video card at
all
 > because everything else runs better on Voodoo graphics.  If Sierra
is
 > planning a windows version of Nascar2 then there is still no reason
to
 > own a Rendition card because it would most likely run on Voodoo cards
as
 > well at even higher speeds.  Sierra you make me sick.
 >
 > I have owned my Reactor for almost 6 months now and what do I have
to
 > show for it.  One(!) driver update for a brand new card in 6
months,
 > Diamond looks like Matrox compared to this.  A couple of fairly
decent
 > ports of some aging games.  An extremely mediocre Nascar2 which
pales in
 > comparison to the year and a half old Indycar2 in graphics quality
and
 > performance.  It's too bad I don't think Quake is the greatest
game in
 > the world or I might not care so much.  Well that's about all
there is,
 > no new games worth mentioning for months now.  I'm glad I got
my Reactor
 > for the $149 introductory price.  I think I'll return the Screamin
3D I
 > got last month just because Sierra made some money from it.
 >
 > I think it's about time somebody stood up and took some heat about
this,
 > anybody got the balls?  Anyone at Rendition still lurking here?
 > Papyrus?
 >
 > Dana Bailes
 
 R:
 
 Wow this is from one of my racing buddies. He's a real diehard Nascar man,
I'm
 personally shocked he would go this far. But I agree with him 100% that
there
 should be a upgrade for the Rendition card and EVEN BIGGER a VOOOO port.
 
 Come'on Adam, Charlie and Ken. You got the best racing games, now take
them to
 their graphical limits for today. I coulda sworn there is a guy at 3DFX
that
 would be more than happy to do the port. Or is the voodoo only getting
 Silicoln Motor Raceway's Nascar?
 
 N2 could use AA and another 5-10 frames per. OR up to your older ICR2
 standards. I thought Nascar 2 was supposed to be the reason to buy a Rendition
 (which it is) but I thought it woulda backed it up with the best gfx and
 performance which it doesn't.
 
 Yeah I think it's time to hear from Rendition on this as well. Are they
still
 alive?
 
 PS So far Charlie your multiplayer patch is holding up pretty well!!
 
 Bittersweet,
 Q.B.M.
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 As much as I am a NASCAR fan and an avid N2 player/enthusaist, I have to
agree that ICR2 is 5x better as far as graphic performance and look goes.
 It does really kinda suck that there will be no AA or further updates to
the rendition version of N2........
 
 
 Mick in Tampa

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by **David Gar** » Sat, 03 May 1997 04:00:00

> >How do you know this?

> They have stated this the past. It sux doesn't it?? The are too busy
> with the beta testing of NRO and other software. They push the
> Rendition card, for which there is only one good game really for it,
> ICR2.. N2.. is "half-assed"..

> As for a 3DFX patch, I think it would be great!!; ) As the 3DFX fellas
> at least talk to you. Rendition is too busy with the "V2000" and have
> finally brought out their Win95 API, "Redline". I have a feeling it
> might be too late for Rendition to catch up with 3DFX.

> I am really starting to believe all the Papyrus programmers are "ex
> Micro$oft programmers"!! I mean like Win95 builds 950 and 950a.
> BUGGY!!! ; -)

> It took Papy to get N1 several times to get it "ALMOST" right!! Now
> it's started again with N2!! Hmm.. I wonder how it will be in the
> future??

> Damn, so I wonder, GPL, Soda, or N3??

> I think they should've skipped N2 in the first place.. It was a rushed
> job!! And I have a feeling they aren't proud of N2.. As for NRO, it
> will continue to BETA for at least a year when it's running!! Mark my
> words!

> Please no flames.. YET!!<G> These are my opinions..

> take care..

> If you like to talk to me.. here.. 757-430-3154

Well I have been very pleased with Papy's games for the sheer luck in
there efficent
*** engine, dynamics and awesome playability. I give my thumbs up on
that aspect of it.
I do however dont understand why Papy would stop such a graphically
enhanced feature as
anti-aliasing. This feature gives a much more realistic touch and adds
triple fold to
the overall "look" of its real-life counter parts. Its undesirable when
a company offers
such a cool feature in an older game and doesnt add it in their newer
games. I thought
for sure Papy would have added this feature for the sheer fact of the
whole NRO thing!
Could it be that Sierra is doing the same ole' thing again?!!

-DG-

by **Edwin Solhei** » Sat, 03 May 1997 04:00:00

> Hi,I just wondered if anyone knows if there is a patch for
> "anti-aliasing" in Nascar2.I have a 3DBlaster video card .Any help
> would be helpful.

What the hell is anti-aliasing ?????
Please explain.
--
Ed_ - Norway

"Early on, the cars were getting faster and faster. And with
good reason: everybody was cheating." - Richard Petty

by **Mr Bil** » Sat, 03 May 1997 04:00:00

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reading all the other posts in this string, It would seem we are all in
agreement.
I too think Papy, er, Sierra should support an AA patch. Lets SEE what the
Screamin
3D (Rendition) can do, cause 3DFX and Power VR are starting to, or
have...Killing you.
N2 and Indy are the only reasons I got a rendition.
All other games I use the 3DFX!!!
Come on rendition!!! Get with it.
You got the hardware. Make the most of it.

Mr Bill

by **Michael E. Carve** » Sat, 03 May 1997 04:00:00

: > Hi,I just wondered if anyone knows if there is a patch for
: > "anti-aliasing" in Nascar2.I have a 3DBlaster video card .Any help
: > would be helpful.
: >
: What the hell is anti-aliasing ?????
: Please explain.

First to answer the first question, No, there is no anti-aliasing patch,
and there is not much likelihood of there being one in the future.

Anti-aliasing is a method of smoothing out the "jaggies". As you may be
aware, a straight horizontal line or one perpendicular to the horizontal
can be displayed on the computer screen as a "smooth" line of pixels.
However, whenever a line strays from these axes, the pixels are
"stepped" and "ragged". Anti-aliasing is a "cosmetic" approach to
"blend" the jagged edges. It involves "blending" in the pixel colors of
the stepped pixels of the line with the background. It makes lines and
curves more appealing to the eye and less stark.

--
**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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by **Eric T. Busc** » Sat, 03 May 1997 04:00:00

See:
http://www.rendition.com/techdef3.html

--

no>...

by **Dana Baile** » Sat, 03 May 1997 04:00:00

> >How do you know this?

> They have stated this the past. It sux doesn't it?? The are too busy
> with the beta testing of NRO and other software. They push the
> Rendition card, for which there is only one good game really for it,
> ICR2.. N2.. is "half-assed"..

I wasn't aware that they had stated this in the past. The only thing I
remember on the topic was Sierra said that resources were not a
problem. We all know this is total bullshit. I think Tomb Raider and
Quake are also fine Rendition games as well but it has been 4(!) months
now since anything new. I had some hope when RRedline was announced but
nothing has come of it so far. I have to believe that the Rendition
Verite is dead until I am proven wrong. I won't buy another one and I
wouldn't recommend that anyone else does either. Buy a 200MMX instead.

They don't have to catch up with 3dfx, they have good hardware as it
is. I have been very happy with my Reactor, the problem is Nascar2 is
substandard and nothing new has been released since last year. Unless
the V2000 will make Nascar2 run at a constant 30fps with Indycar2
smoothness there is no way in hell I will buy one. If something isn't
done for Nascar2 to make it better I won't buy another Sierra or
Rendition product again. If Nascar2 sucks why should I expect Nascar3
to be any better?

I think maybe some of the management as well. They don't fix the
product they just sell you a new version.

They fixed the handling bugs and hand of god bugs in the Hawaii beta but
they didn't fix them in the real Nascar1 because it would have made it
better than nascar2. Besides the new tracks and the network support
there are really no improvements in Nascar2, just fluff.

A couple of patches to Nascar1 would have been just fine, the game is
still selling even with Nascar2 on the shelves. The lack of news from
Papyrus is enough to show that they are in turmoil right now. The GPL
and Soda news is just to distract us.
There has to be a way for us to show Sierra and Papyrus that we are
tired of getting screwed. The only way I know is with my money.

Dana Bailes

by **Steve M. Kurzinsk** » Sat, 03 May 1997 04:00:00

>> WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<snip>
>> Mr Bill
>Maybe if everyone jumps inot this thread and states that they want the
>aa patch someone up there might start listening. Well I can dream cant
>i?

>--
>--------------------------------------------------------
>Brian Motisko

>http://members.aol.com/bmotisko/private/index.htm
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I agree.

by **motisk** » Sat, 03 May 1997 04:00:00

> WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Reading all the other posts in this string, It would seem we are all in
> agreement.
> I too think Papy, er, Sierra should support an AA patch. Lets SEE what the
> Screamin
> 3D (Rendition) can do, cause 3DFX and Power VR are starting to, or
> have...Killing you.
> N2 and Indy are the only reasons I got a rendition.
> All other games I use the 3DFX!!!
> Come on rendition!!! Get with it.
> You got the hardware. Make the most of it.

> Mr Bill

> > Hi,I just wondered if anyone knows if there is a patch for
> > "anti-aliasing" in Nascar2.I have a 3DBlaster video card .Any help
> > would be helpful.

Maybe if everyone jumps inot this thread and states that they want the
aa patch someone up there might start listening. Well I can dream cant
i?

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Brian Motisko

http://members.aol.com/bmotisko/private/index.htm
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by **Shawn Wi** » Sat, 03 May 1997 04:00:00

>Maybe if everyone jumps inot this thread and states that they want the
>aa patch someone up there might start listening. Well I can dream cant
>i?

>--
>--------------------------------------------------------
>Brian Motisko

>http://members.aol.com/bmotisko/private/index.htm
>--------------------------------------------------------

Well Brian, just in case......I'm jumping in on it too! :) How
'bout some AA Papy/Sierra?

Shawn Wise
Midwest Motorsports
ProHCS3 & HGNS3 on Hawaii

by **David Gar** » Sun, 04 May 1997 04:00:00

The opposite of Aliasing.

=8>)

-DG-