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GPL65 Mod is GPL2 Please fix GPL

No Spa

GPL65 Mod is GPL2 Please fix GPL

by No Spa » Mon, 24 May 2004 08:01:12

I just love the racing in the new GPL65 mod . I hope that the
tech guys will see fit to uipdate the tire models in gpl.exe so that
we can enjoy the sim even more?  After racing nose to tail with many
guys in the 65's, I don't want to go back to the 67s.

thanks.

Jan Verschuere

GPL65 Mod is GPL2 Please fix GPL

by Jan Verschuere » Mon, 24 May 2004 08:09:52

I agree, they should update the '67 season as well. Papyrus is history (on
top of that, Dave Keammer as much as admitted the tyre model in GPL is bunk)
and GPLRank is just a number; I'm willing to start over if that means I can
have "'65 style" feel for the car and near 400bhp. <g>

Jan.
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Malc

GPL65 Mod is GPL2 Please fix GPL

by Malc » Mon, 24 May 2004 09:26:28


There are 66 & 69 mods coming out fairly soon, either or both should
fulfil the basic criteria of "like '65 but faster".

I'd like to see an updated '67 mod but hopefully one of the above will
do the job.

Malc.

ymenar

GPL65 Mod is GPL2 Please fix GPL

by ymenar » Mon, 24 May 2004 11:01:31


> I just love the racing in the new GPL65 mod . I hope that the
> tech guys will see fit to uipdate the tire models in gpl.exe so that
> we can enjoy the sim even more?  After racing nose to tail with many
> guys in the 65's, I don't want to go back to the 67s.

But that would***off the joystick-using alien with a low-ride modified
setup that did his record lap 4 years ago!  <G>

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Ruud Dingeman

GPL65 Mod is GPL2 Please fix GPL

by Ruud Dingeman » Mon, 24 May 2004 15:07:55


>>we can enjoy the sim even more?  After racing nose to tail with many
>>guys in the 65's, I don't want to go back to the 67s.
> But that would***off the joystick-using alien with a low-ride modified
> setup that did his record lap 4 years ago!  <G>

That's not the problem. The problem is that all hotlaps were set from a
common base, namely original GPL 67. To have parity/equality (aka fair
comparison) everyone should then install this mod and start all over
again, which isn't gonna happen for all kinds of reasons; and having
some drivers on Rank using the mod and some without, wouldn't work either.
Better to start a separate 'early-68' or 'Fixed 67' type Rank.

Regards, Rudy
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GPLRank: -22

Jan Verschuere

GPL65 Mod is GPL2 Please fix GPL

by Jan Verschuere » Mon, 24 May 2004 16:49:38

It's not about going faster, it's about having a "proper" '67 season.

Don't get me wrong, I'll probably like the other seasons too, it's just I
think it's silly to update "everything but". Especially seeing as '67
wouldn't take a lot of graphics editing.

Jan.
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Eldre

GPL65 Mod is GPL2 Please fix GPL

by Eldre » Mon, 24 May 2004 22:19:21

Considering the ease of 'cheating' in GPLRank, and the fact that some run the
engine swapper while others don't, I think that's a non-argument.  We *already*
aren't sure what each reported laptime is run with...

Eldred
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w i

GPL65 Mod is GPL2 Please fix GPL

by w i » Tue, 25 May 2004 00:07:42

That tire model is plain crap. Feels like you have drag cars slick tires on
the car. Monkey can drive GPL65. 400kg 220HP and you can't make back end
slide. My BMW with 1200kg, 192HP and built understeer has looser back end.


Malc

GPL65 Mod is GPL2 Please fix GPL

by Malc » Tue, 25 May 2004 00:15:58


I feel the same way, but neither of us are in a position to decide what
comes next or how silly it is, all we can do is make the request or just
do it ourselves ;-)

There are plenty of arguments for & against a modified '67 season, there
are no arguments against doing any other season so the mods are just
playing safe I guess.

Malc.

JP

GPL65 Mod is GPL2 Please fix GPL

by JP » Tue, 25 May 2004 00:15:57


  No kidding.  Besides the arrogance; "Hey, I know you masses that still
play gpl want a better 67 product, but I don't want my precious hotlap
record, cough, invalidated, even though I haven't touched gpl in years ! "

Biz

GPL65 Mod is GPL2 Please fix GPL

by Biz » Tue, 25 May 2004 00:38:07


Until the recent info about a potential release of a post-67 season, I
thought the best reason was that you could make all the mods you wanted that
were pre-67 so there would be no question of being able to go faster than 67
speeds.  I mean what good does anything post-67 do anyway since aero is not
modelled, didnt they have aero 68 and on?

IMO, a patched 67 with more grip(or different grip), would jsut be a mess.
I've also noticed that *most* of the people complaining are not aliens as
well, in fact most arent even close.  In fact, the only rational responses
seem to be from people with reasonable negative ranks..

Malc

GPL65 Mod is GPL2 Please fix GPL

by Malc » Tue, 25 May 2004 00:55:48




> > There are plenty of arguments for & against a modified '67 season,
there
> > are no arguments against doing any other season so the mods are just
> > playing safe I guess.

> > Malc.

> Until the recent info about a potential release of a post-67 season, I
> thought the best reason was that you could make all the mods you
wanted that
> were pre-67 so there would be no question of being able to go faster
than 67
> speeds.  I mean what good does anything post-67 do anyway since aero
is not
> modelled, didnt they have aero 68 and on?

Yeah personally I reckon the '69 mod will kill '67 pick-up racing on
vroc stone dead, but iGOR should solve that problem. That's what it was
designed to do afer all.

You must bear in mind that the people who regularly update their ranks &
practice a lot are in it for the racing. There are many, many more
people in the gpl community who are in it for it's historical accuracy
(such as it is) and try to make it as realistic as possible. That's
where the discussions on what to mod, why & how come from, and they are
usually the people that actually do the mods.

You can't really do aero in a gpl mod, all you can do is increase grip &
drag to 'simulate' it as well as possible with the gpl engine. The end
result is unlikely to please the historians, but will probably please
the hotlappers & racers more. The historians have got everything pre-67
to play with, and we all have '67 ;-)

Papy chose '67 for a reason. It was a good year ;-)

Malc.

ymenar

GPL65 Mod is GPL2 Please fix GPL

by ymenar » Tue, 25 May 2004 05:14:30


> > But that would***off the joystick-using alien with a low-ride
modified
> > setup that did his record lap 4 years ago!  <G>

> That's not the problem. The problem is that all hotlaps were set from a
> common base, namely original GPL 67.

Who cares about GPLRank hotlapping anymore?  That's so 2001.

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Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Jan Verschuere

GPL65 Mod is GPL2 Please fix GPL

by Jan Verschuere » Tue, 25 May 2004 06:03:19

Your mount does rev. >11k and you are not using a default setup,
right? -'cuz, they spin "fine" on my machine using '65 setups.

Jan./getting seriously distanced in the '65 mod at the moment.
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No Spa

GPL65 Mod is GPL2 Please fix GPL

by No Spa » Tue, 25 May 2004 07:46:57

On Sun, 23 May 2004 17:07:42 +0200, "w i z"


>That tire model is plain crap. Feels like you have drag cars slick tires on
>the car. Monkey can drive GPL65. 400kg 220HP and you can't make back end
>slide. My BMW with 1200kg, 192HP and built understeer has looser back end.

Put a decent set of gears in your car and you'll have no problem
whatsoever .  Sliding is the beauty of the 65s.  Every corner is a
drift.

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