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Papyrus, please give us GPL2 (or GPL1.5 :)

Thorsten Ruete

Papyrus, please give us GPL2 (or GPL1.5 :)

by Thorsten Ruete » Tue, 28 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Papyrus, please give us a GPL2 or at least a
GPL upgrade pack!
I understand that GPL was probably planned
and budgeted as a niche product only and to
pave the way for following NASCAR and CART
big sellers using the new physics engine.
(GPL's licensing costs, compared to  NASCAR
licensing costs, must have been minimal:
they didn't even bother to license the term "Formula
One"; Papy calls their cars Grand Prix cars instead of
F1 cars!!).
So I guess GPL is not the financial disappointment that
some people want to make us believe it is.

Regarding GPL as a niche product I still wish it would
be supported in the future. How about an upgrade CD
without further licensing costs? I can imagine that a lot
of enthusiasts would be willing to pay for an upgrade pack
without new tracks and such, but with new features like
simulated weather, some new 'game play' options like the
'maximum chassis per event' option that was planned in the
early development of GPL (well at least some very old screen-
shots hint at this). A helluva *lot* of new game play options for
online racing leagues come to mind (as well as for single player
championships)...

So there is still a great potential for a commercial GPL upgrade
without any new and costly licensing! Understanding that
the software companies of today don't care about minority
interests at all, I'm encouraged with Papy's release of GPL and:
hey, with minimizing the costs, why not supporting that small
but loyal clientele any further?

Anyone out there who feels the same?

-Thorsten Rueter

George M. Smile

Papyrus, please give us GPL2 (or GPL1.5 :)

by George M. Smile » Tue, 28 Sep 1999 04:00:00


> Papyrus, please give us a GPL2 or at least a
> GPL upgrade pack!

Thorsten and anyone else who feels the same, please
send your GPL/N3,4,5,L/whatever suggestions to:


They also have a dedicated feedback page if the above
email address is no longer functioning:

http://www.sierra.com/corp/feedback/content.html

You suggestions don't do much good here and would be
better directed towards those who are in a position to
act on them.

 - George

Rick Sweene

Papyrus, please give us GPL2 (or GPL1.5 :)

by Rick Sweene » Tue, 28 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Or maybe fix the online problems that the 1.1 patch caused. I use cable,
and before 1.1 my online connection was awesome.  I could host with 19
drivers easily.  Now it just gets so frustrating with the bad conn,
Slo-Mo's as they call it, its just not worth going on-line anymore.  Yea
I have the latest greatest INI allison file, and have tried numerous
variables upon that, and just gave up.

> Papyrus, please give us a GPL2 or at least a
> GPL upgrade pack!
> I understand that GPL was probably planned
> and budgeted as a niche product only and to
> pave the way for following NASCAR and CART
> big sellers using the new physics engine.
> (GPL's licensing costs, compared to  NASCAR
> licensing costs, must have been minimal:
> they didn't even bother to license the term "Formula
> One"; Papy calls their cars Grand Prix cars instead of
> F1 cars!!).
> So I guess GPL is not the financial disappointment that
> some people want to make us believe it is.

> Regarding GPL as a niche product I still wish it would
> be supported in the future. How about an upgrade CD
> without further licensing costs? I can imagine that a lot
> of enthusiasts would be willing to pay for an upgrade pack
> without new tracks and such, but with new features like
> simulated weather, some new 'game play' options like the
> 'maximum chassis per event' option that was planned in the
> early development of GPL (well at least some very old screen-
> shots hint at this). A helluva *lot* of new game play options for
> online racing leagues come to mind (as well as for single player
> championships)...

> So there is still a great potential for a commercial GPL upgrade
> without any new and costly licensing! Understanding that
> the software companies of today don't care about minority
> interests at all, I'm encouraged with Papy's release of GPL and:
> hey, with minimizing the costs, why not supporting that small
> but loyal clientele any further?

> Anyone out there who feels the same?

> -Thorsten Rueter

Macki

Papyrus, please give us GPL2 (or GPL1.5 :)

by Macki » Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:00:00

No papy give us downforce & no canned spins or no SALE :) The *** can
drool all day but money talks !!!!!!!



> Or maybe fix the online problems that the 1.1 patch caused. I use cable,
> and before 1.1 my online connection was awesome.  I could host with 19
> drivers easily.  Now it just gets so frustrating with the bad conn,
> Slo-Mo's as they call it, its just not worth going on-line anymore.  Yea
> I have the latest greatest INI allison file, and have tried numerous
> variables upon that, and just gave up.


> > Papyrus, please give us a GPL2 or at least a
> > GPL upgrade pack!
> > I understand that GPL was probably planned
> > and budgeted as a niche product only and to
> > pave the way for following NASCAR and CART
> > big sellers using the new physics engine.
> > (GPL's licensing costs, compared to  NASCAR
> > licensing costs, must have been minimal:
> > they didn't even bother to license the term "Formula
> > One"; Papy calls their cars Grand Prix cars instead of
> > F1 cars!!).
> > So I guess GPL is not the financial disappointment that
> > some people want to make us believe it is.

> > Regarding GPL as a niche product I still wish it would
> > be supported in the future. How about an upgrade CD
> > without further licensing costs? I can imagine that a lot
> > of enthusiasts would be willing to pay for an upgrade pack
> > without new tracks and such, but with new features like
> > simulated weather, some new 'game play' options like the
> > 'maximum chassis per event' option that was planned in the
> > early development of GPL (well at least some very old screen-
> > shots hint at this). A helluva *lot* of new game play options for
> > online racing leagues come to mind (as well as for single player
> > championships)...

> > So there is still a great potential for a commercial GPL upgrade
> > without any new and costly licensing! Understanding that
> > the software companies of today don't care about minority
> > interests at all, I'm encouraged with Papy's release of GPL and:
> > hey, with minimizing the costs, why not supporting that small
> > but loyal clientele any further?

> > Anyone out there who feels the same?

> > -Thorsten Rueter

Randy Cassid

Papyrus, please give us GPL2 (or GPL1.5 :)

by Randy Cassid » Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Rick Sweeney <rs...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in article
<37F02543.5D703...@carolina.rr.com>...

> Or maybe fix the online problems that the 1.1 patch caused. I use
cable,
> and before 1.1 my online connection was awesome.  I could host with
19
> drivers easily.  Now it just gets so frustrating with the bad conn,
> Slo-Mo's as they call it, its just not worth going on-line anymore.
Yea
> I have the latest greatest INI allison file, and have tried numerous
> variables upon that, and just gave up.

The localized versions of the GPL 1.2 patch are currently being tested.

I must apologize to all of you for the non-real-time gaff in 1.1.  I
don't know how we missed this.  It is fixed in 1.2, along with several
other bug fixes and improvements (slow-mo/turbo is no more).

Here's the readme12.txt.  GPL 1.2 is NOT yet released.  I'll be sure to
let y'all know when it is.

Randy

-------------------------------------------------
Grand Prix Legends PATCH README
Version 1.2
8/18/99

[ To read this file, select Edit/Word Wrap from the menu above ]

                TABLE OF CONTENTS

        1.  GENERAL

        2.  MULTIPLAYER

        3.  CONTACTING SIERRA

1. GENERAL
----------

This patch will upgrade GPL version 1.1.0.3 to version 1.2.0.x.

GPL 1.1.0.3 introduced a bug that could cause the game to run slower
than normal.  This lead to numerous problems, most of which were even
worse when running multiplayer races.  This is now fixed.

The driver selection list on the race weekend screen could contain
blank entries. Also, when selecting a driver from the list, the program
might focus the camera on the wrong car.  This is now fixed.

If you miss the start of the race, you must now join the race within
about two minutes, or the green button is taken away and you will not
be allowed to join.

If you have installed replays from many different players, the <Player>
drop-down list on the Load Replay screen would expand off the bottom of
the screen, instead of turning into a scrollable list of players.  This
is now fixed.

If you had any saved replays from players that did not enter a driver
name, the <Player> dropdown list would default to showing only replays
created by these players, instead of showing replays created by "All
Players."  This is now fixed.

2. MULTIPLAYER
--------------

GPL 1.2.0.x clients and servers will not connect to GPL 1.1.0.3 clients
and servers (and vice versa).  If you try to connect, you will be told
that the server is incompatible.

If you disconnected from a race server, and then reconnected to the
server, the server would no longer score laps driven by you during the
practice session.  This is now fixed.

A new chat command has been added.  Any Boss may now tell the server to
stop the current race (if any), disconnect all clients, and exit by
issuing the "!shutdown" command as a chat message.

It was possible, particularly when connected to a fast dedicated race
server, that your pit stall placard and lap time board would be
positioned incorrectly when transitioning from one race to another.
This is now fixed.

You can now issue private chat messages to any one of the players
connected to the server.  Begin your message with "/", followed by the
name of the player (or #car_number), followed by the message.  For
example
        /#16 Hey, John.  What's up?
        /smith What's up?
        /j.smith What's up?
        /jo.smi What's up?
        /john.smith What's up?

        The message will only be sent to the person you identify (or you will
be given an error message if the program couldn't figure out who you
meant).

GPL 1.1.0.3 added a new method by which a client would try to stay in
step with its server.  When latencies were fairly stable, it was
smoother than the original method employed by GPL 1.0.  When latencies
were unstable, however, the game could speed up or slow down rather
excessively, making it very difficult to control the car.  We've
reworked this synchronization method to make it less sensitive to
fluctuations in latency, and to prevent it from applying excessive
adjustments.  It should now be much smoother than the GPL 1.0
synchronization method, even when the latency is very high and very
unstable.  The new synchronization method is used by default.  However,
if you had switched to using the old synchronization method with GPL
1.1.0.3 because the "turbo/slow motion" effect was destroying gameplay,
please give the new method a try (just remove the synch_method=0 line
from core.ini, or change it to read synch_method=1).

The Internet can be a harrowing medium through which to race.  Gameplay
is directly affected by the latency, reliability, and consistency of
the connection between you and the game server, so it's important that
the program give you a good sense of these factors.  GPL 1.2.0.x now
has graphical displays that allow you to monitor the status of your
communications with the server when you are a GPL client.  These meters
can only be displayed while in the car.  They can be toggled on/off by
pressing Alt-M while in the car.  They can be distracting while
driving, so they are turned off by default.  You can request that they
be turned on by default by adding the following two lines to core.ini

[ Communications ]
show_meters = 1

        The bar graphs are as follows...

            (L) Instantaneous latency from 0.0 seconds (the bar is empty) to
1.0 seconds (the bar is full height).  This is the amount of time that
it takes for a message to go from the server, to your client, and back
to the server.  Note that Alt-L shows average latency, not
instantaneous latency.
            (Q) Quality from 100% (the bar is empty) to 0% (the bar is full
height).  The more data that is lost or garbled during transmission
from the server to you, the lower the quality of your connection, and
the higher this bar will go.
            (S) The time skew (difference) between your GPL client and the
server.  If your current time is behind where you expect the server to
be, this bar will be below center.  If it is at the bottom, then you
believe that you are 1.5 seconds (or more) behind the server.  If your
current time is ahead of where you expect the server to be, it will be
above center.  If it is at the top, then you believe that you are 1.5
seconds (or more) ahead of the server.  If the bar reaches the top or
bottom, then your client will resynchronize itself with the server (it
will smash its clock).

    Ideally, no red bars should be visible whatsoever.  That is, you
have 0.0 seconds of latency, 100% of data from the server is getting to
you, and your client believes that it is at the same point in time as
the server.  In practice, this will not happen.

        The (L)atency bar will almost always be visible since it is not
possible for data to get from the server to you instantaneously.  The
higher the latency, the longer it takes for data to get from the server
to your computer, and so the older it is when it gets there.  The older
the data is, the more "predicting" your client has to do about the
positions of other cars on the track.  The more that it has to predict,
the more likely that it will predict incorrectly, and the more the
other cars will jump around when it realizes its error.

        It is not uncommon for the (Q)uality bar to be completely empty
(indicating little or no data loss), but it is also not uncommon for a
few percent of the data to be lost or garbled during transmission,
showing as a small (Q)uality bar.  If the bar starts to grow steadily,
then something bad has happened on the route through the Internet
between you and the server (or the server has crashed).  If the route
doesn't clear up quickly, you will soon be disconnected.  If it does
clear up, there will probably be short period of mayhem as the route
settles down, and old data that has been stuck in transit is flushed.

        If the latency is varying a bit, it can be difficult for your client
to determine what point in time the server is currently at, and a small
(S)kew bar is likely to appear.  If the (S)kew bar grows continuously
until it hits the top or bottom, your client will smash its clock to
resynchronize itself to the server.  If it does this, then either the
connection between you and the server is very poor, or either your
machine or the server machine is extremely overloaded, and your client
can no longer stay in step with the server.

-------------------------------------------------

Thoma

Papyrus, please give us GPL2 (or GPL1.5 :)

by Thoma » Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:00:00

 And what about a SCL(Sports Car Legend) Addon. I like GPL but I prefer
the Sports Car of the same period. It wouldn't be difficult to do as
these cars were technicaly very near(the open top ones). It would be
great to race with the Lola T70, Matra 670, Porsche 917 or the Ferrari
P4,Ford GT40, Porsche 908,Ferrari 312, etc...  

> Papyrus, please give us a GPL2 or at least a
> GPL upgrade pack!
> I understand that GPL was probably planned
> and budgeted as a niche product only and to
> pave the way for following NASCAR and CART
> big sellers using the new physics engine.
> (GPL's licensing costs, compared to  NASCAR
> licensing costs, must have been minimal:
> they didn't even bother to license the term "Formula
> One"; Papy calls their cars Grand Prix cars instead of
> F1 cars!!).
> So I guess GPL is not the financial disappointment that
> some people want to make us believe it is.

> Regarding GPL as a niche product I still wish it would
> be supported in the future. How about an upgrade CD
> without further licensing costs? I can imagine that a lot
> of enthusiasts would be willing to pay for an upgrade pack
> without new tracks and such, but with new features like
> simulated weather, some new 'game play' options like the
> 'maximum chassis per event' option that was planned in the
> early development of GPL (well at least some very old screen-
> shots hint at this). A helluva *lot* of new game play options for
> online racing leagues come to mind (as well as for single player
> championships)...

> So there is still a great potential for a commercial GPL upgrade
> without any new and costly licensing! Understanding that
> the software companies of today don't care about minority
> interests at all, I'm encouraged with Papy's release of GPL and:
> hey, with minimizing the costs, why not supporting that small
> but loyal clientele any further?

> Anyone out there who feels the same?

> -Thorsten Rueter

Chris Schlette

Papyrus, please give us GPL2 (or GPL1.5 :)

by Chris Schlette » Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Very nice stuff. :)

Randy Cassidy <rcassidy@remove_this.aloha.mv.com> wrote in message

news:01bf09c8$0fa76100$9f101d81@randy_c3.internal.papy.com...
> Rick Sweeney <rs...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in article
> <37F02543.5D703...@carolina.rr.com>...
> > Or maybe fix the online problems that the 1.1 patch caused. I use
> cable,
> > and before 1.1 my online connection was awesome.  I could host with
> 19
> > drivers easily.  Now it just gets so frustrating with the bad conn,
> > Slo-Mo's as they call it, its just not worth going on-line anymore.
> Yea
> > I have the latest greatest INI allison file, and have tried numerous
> > variables upon that, and just gave up.

> The localized versions of the GPL 1.2 patch are currently being tested.

> I must apologize to all of you for the non-real-time gaff in 1.1.  I
> don't know how we missed this.  It is fixed in 1.2, along with several
> other bug fixes and improvements (slow-mo/turbo is no more).

> Here's the readme12.txt.  GPL 1.2 is NOT yet released.  I'll be sure to
> let y'all know when it is.

> Randy

> -------------------------------------------------
> Grand Prix Legends PATCH README
> Version 1.2
> 8/18/99

> [ To read this file, select Edit/Word Wrap from the menu above ]

>                 TABLE OF CONTENTS

>         1.  GENERAL

>         2.  MULTIPLAYER

>         3.  CONTACTING SIERRA

> 1. GENERAL
> ----------

> This patch will upgrade GPL version 1.1.0.3 to version 1.2.0.x.

> GPL 1.1.0.3 introduced a bug that could cause the game to run slower
> than normal.  This lead to numerous problems, most of which were even
> worse when running multiplayer races.  This is now fixed.

> The driver selection list on the race weekend screen could contain
> blank entries. Also, when selecting a driver from the list, the program
> might focus the camera on the wrong car.  This is now fixed.

> If you miss the start of the race, you must now join the race within
> about two minutes, or the green button is taken away and you will not
> be allowed to join.

> If you have installed replays from many different players, the <Player>
> drop-down list on the Load Replay screen would expand off the bottom of
> the screen, instead of turning into a scrollable list of players.  This
> is now fixed.

> If you had any saved replays from players that did not enter a driver
> name, the <Player> dropdown list would default to showing only replays
> created by these players, instead of showing replays created by "All
> Players."  This is now fixed.

> 2. MULTIPLAYER
> --------------

> GPL 1.2.0.x clients and servers will not connect to GPL 1.1.0.3 clients
> and servers (and vice versa).  If you try to connect, you will be told
> that the server is incompatible.

> If you disconnected from a race server, and then reconnected to the
> server, the server would no longer score laps driven by you during the
> practice session.  This is now fixed.

> A new chat command has been added.  Any Boss may now tell the server to
> stop the current race (if any), disconnect all clients, and exit by
> issuing the "!shutdown" command as a chat message.

> It was possible, particularly when connected to a fast dedicated race
> server, that your pit stall placard and lap time board would be
> positioned incorrectly when transitioning from one race to another.
> This is now fixed.

> You can now issue private chat messages to any one of the players
> connected to the server.  Begin your message with "/", followed by the
> name of the player (or #car_number), followed by the message.  For
> example
> /#16 Hey, John.  What's up?
> /smith What's up?
> /j.smith What's up?
> /jo.smi What's up?
> /john.smith What's up?

> The message will only be sent to the person you identify (or you will
> be given an error message if the program couldn't figure out who you
> meant).

> GPL 1.1.0.3 added a new method by which a client would try to stay in
> step with its server.  When latencies were fairly stable, it was
> smoother than the original method employed by GPL 1.0.  When latencies
> were unstable, however, the game could speed up or slow down rather
> excessively, making it very difficult to control the car.  We've
> reworked this synchronization method to make it less sensitive to
> fluctuations in latency, and to prevent it from applying excessive
> adjustments.  It should now be much smoother than the GPL 1.0
> synchronization method, even when the latency is very high and very
> unstable.  The new synchronization method is used by default.  However,
> if you had switched to using the old synchronization method with GPL
> 1.1.0.3 because the "turbo/slow motion" effect was destroying gameplay,
> please give the new method a try (just remove the synch_method=0 line
> from core.ini, or change it to read synch_method=1).

> The Internet can be a harrowing medium through which to race.  Gameplay
> is directly affected by the latency, reliability, and consistency of
> the connection between you and the game server, so it's important that
> the program give you a good sense of these factors.  GPL 1.2.0.x now
> has graphical displays that allow you to monitor the status of your
> communications with the server when you are a GPL client.  These meters
> can only be displayed while in the car.  They can be toggled on/off by
> pressing Alt-M while in the car.  They can be distracting while
> driving, so they are turned off by default.  You can request that they
> be turned on by default by adding the following two lines to core.ini

> [ Communications ]
> show_meters = 1

> The bar graphs are as follows...

>     (L) Instantaneous latency from 0.0 seconds (the bar is empty) to
> 1.0 seconds (the bar is full height).  This is the amount of time that
> it takes for a message to go from the server, to your client, and back
> to the server.  Note that Alt-L shows average latency, not
> instantaneous latency.
>     (Q) Quality from 100% (the bar is empty) to 0% (the bar is full
> height).  The more data that is lost or garbled during transmission
> from the server to you, the lower the quality of your connection, and
> the higher this bar will go.
>     (S) The time skew (difference) between your GPL client and the
> server.  If your current time is behind where you expect the server to
> be, this bar will be below center.  If it is at the bottom, then you
> believe that you are 1.5 seconds (or more) behind the server.  If your
> current time is ahead of where you expect the server to be, it will be
> above center.  If it is at the top, then you believe that you are 1.5
> seconds (or more) ahead of the server.  If the bar reaches the top or
> bottom, then your client will resynchronize itself with the server (it
> will smash its clock).

>     Ideally, no red bars should be visible whatsoever.  That is, you
> have 0.0 seconds of latency, 100% of data from the server is getting to
> you, and your client believes that it is at the same point in time as
> the server.  In practice, this will not happen.

> The (L)atency bar will almost always be visible since it is not
> possible for data to get from the server to you instantaneously.  The
> higher the latency, the longer it takes for data to get from the server
> to your computer, and so the older it is when it gets there.  The older
> the data is, the more "predicting" your client has to do about the
> positions of other cars on the track.  The more that it has to predict,
> the more likely that it will predict incorrectly, and the more the
> other cars will jump around when it realizes its error.

> It is not uncommon for the (Q)uality bar to be completely empty
> (indicating little or no data loss), but it is also not uncommon for a
> few percent of the data to be lost or garbled during transmission,
> showing as a small (Q)uality bar.  If the bar starts to grow steadily,
> then something bad has happened on the route through the Internet
> between you and the server (or the server has crashed).  If the route
> doesn't clear up quickly, you will soon be disconnected.  If it does
> clear up, there will probably be short period of mayhem as the route
> settles down, and old data that has been stuck in transit is flushed.

> If the latency is varying a bit, it can be difficult for your client
> to determine what point in time the server is currently at, and a small
> (S)kew bar is likely to appear.  If the (S)kew bar grows continuously
> until it hits the top or bottom, your client will smash its clock to
> resynchronize itself to the server.  If it does this, then either the
> connection between you and the server is very poor, or either your
> machine or the server machine is extremely overloaded, and your client
> can no longer stay in step with the server.

> -------------------------------------------------

Robin Lor

Papyrus, please give us GPL2 (or GPL1.5 :)

by Robin Lor » Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Cheers Randy! Glad to know its on its way. This disabling my modem so I dont
get slow down everytime I run GPL is becoming tiresome! I can look forward
to making snide comments about other drivers behind their backs too : )
(although probably more likely they'll be doing that to me)

--
Cheers,

Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer.

http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk

Nurburgring and Grand Prix Legends

Randy Cassidy <rcassidy@remove_this.aloha.mv.com> wrote in message

news:01bf09c8$0fa76100$9f101d81@randy_c3.internal.papy.com...
| Rick Sweeney <rs...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in article
| <37F02543.5D703...@carolina.rr.com>...
| > Or maybe fix the online problems that the 1.1 patch caused. I use
| cable,
| > and before 1.1 my online connection was awesome.  I could host with
| 19
| > drivers easily.  Now it just gets so frustrating with the bad conn,
| > Slo-Mo's as they call it, its just not worth going on-line anymore.
| Yea
| > I have the latest greatest INI allison file, and have tried numerous
| > variables upon that, and just gave up.
|
| The localized versions of the GPL 1.2 patch are currently being tested.
|
| I must apologize to all of you for the non-real-time gaff in 1.1.  I
| don't know how we missed this.  It is fixed in 1.2, along with several
| other bug fixes and improvements (slow-mo/turbo is no more).
|
| Here's the readme12.txt.  GPL 1.2 is NOT yet released.  I'll be sure to
| let y'all know when it is.
|
| Randy
|
| -------------------------------------------------
| Grand Prix Legends PATCH README
| Version 1.2
| 8/18/99
|
| [ To read this file, select Edit/Word Wrap from the menu above ]
|
|
|                 TABLE OF CONTENTS
|
|         1.  GENERAL
|
|         2.  MULTIPLAYER
|
|         3.  CONTACTING SIERRA
|
|
| 1. GENERAL
| ----------
|
| This patch will upgrade GPL version 1.1.0.3 to version 1.2.0.x.
|
|
| GPL 1.1.0.3 introduced a bug that could cause the game to run slower
| than normal.  This lead to numerous problems, most of which were even
| worse when running multiplayer races.  This is now fixed.
|
|
| The driver selection list on the race weekend screen could contain
| blank entries. Also, when selecting a driver from the list, the program
| might focus the camera on the wrong car.  This is now fixed.
|
|
| If you miss the start of the race, you must now join the race within
| about two minutes, or the green button is taken away and you will not
| be allowed to join.
|
|
| If you have installed replays from many different players, the <Player>
| drop-down list on the Load Replay screen would expand off the bottom of
| the screen, instead of turning into a scrollable list of players.  This
| is now fixed.
|
|
| If you had any saved replays from players that did not enter a driver
| name, the <Player> dropdown list would default to showing only replays
| created by these players, instead of showing replays created by "All
| Players."  This is now fixed.
|
|
|
|
| 2. MULTIPLAYER
| --------------
|
| GPL 1.2.0.x clients and servers will not connect to GPL 1.1.0.3 clients
| and servers (and vice versa).  If you try to connect, you will be told
| that the server is incompatible.
|
|
| If you disconnected from a race server, and then reconnected to the
| server, the server would no longer score laps driven by you during the
| practice session.  This is now fixed.
|
|
| A new chat command has been added.  Any Boss may now tell the server to
| stop the current race (if any), disconnect all clients, and exit by
| issuing the "!shutdown" command as a chat message.
|
|
| It was possible, particularly when connected to a fast dedicated race
| server, that your pit stall placard and lap time board would be
| positioned incorrectly when transitioning from one race to another.
| This is now fixed.
|
|
| You can now issue private chat messages to any one of the players
| connected to the server.  Begin your message with "/", followed by the
| name of the player (or #car_number), followed by the message.  For
| example
| /#16 Hey, John.  What's up?
| /smith What's up?
| /j.smith What's up?
| /jo.smi What's up?
| /john.smith What's up?
|
| The message will only be sent to the person you identify (or you will
| be given an error message if the program couldn't figure out who you
| meant).
|
|
| GPL 1.1.0.3 added a new method by which a client would try to stay in
| step with its server.  When latencies were fairly stable, it was
| smoother than the original method employed by GPL 1.0.  When latencies
| were unstable, however, the game could speed up or slow down rather
| excessively, making it very difficult to control the car.  We've
| reworked this synchronization method to make it less sensitive to
| fluctuations in latency, and to prevent it from applying excessive
| adjustments.  It should now be much smoother than the GPL 1.0
| synchronization method, even when the latency is very high and very
| unstable.  The new synchronization method is used by default.  However,
| if you had switched to using the old synchronization method with GPL
| 1.1.0.3 because the "turbo/slow motion" effect was destroying gameplay,
| please give the new method a try (just remove the synch_method=0 line
| from core.ini, or change it to read synch_method=1).
|
|
| The Internet can be a harrowing medium through which to race.  Gameplay
| is directly affected by the latency, reliability, and consistency of
| the connection between you and the game server, so it's important that
| the program give you a good sense of these factors.  GPL 1.2.0.x now
| has graphical displays that allow you to monitor the status of your
| communications with the server when you are a GPL client.  These meters
| can only be displayed while in the car.  They can be toggled on/off by
| pressing Alt-M while in the car.  They can be distracting while
| driving, so they are turned off by default.  You can request that they
| be turned on by default by adding the following two lines to core.ini
|
| [ Communications ]
| show_meters = 1
|
| The bar graphs are as follows...
|
|     (L) Instantaneous latency from 0.0 seconds (the bar is empty) to
| 1.0 seconds (the bar is full height).  This is the amount of time that
| it takes for a message to go from the server, to your client, and back
| to the server.  Note that Alt-L shows average latency, not
| instantaneous latency.
|     (Q) Quality from 100% (the bar is empty) to 0% (the bar is full
| height).  The more data that is lost or garbled during transmission
| from the server to you, the lower the quality of your connection, and
| the higher this bar will go.
|     (S) The time skew (difference) between your GPL client and the
| server.  If your current time is behind where you expect the server to
| be, this bar will be below center.  If it is at the bottom, then you
| believe that you are 1.5 seconds (or more) behind the server.  If your
| current time is ahead of where you expect the server to be, it will be
| above center.  If it is at the top, then you believe that you are 1.5
| seconds (or more) ahead of the server.  If the bar reaches the top or
| bottom, then your client will resynchronize itself with the server (it
| will smash its clock).
|
|     Ideally, no red bars should be visible whatsoever.  That is, you
| have 0.0 seconds of latency, 100% of data from the server is getting to
| you, and your client believes that it is at the same point in time as
| the server.  In practice, this will not happen.
|
| The (L)atency bar will almost always be visible since it is not
| possible for data to get from the server to you instantaneously.  The
| higher the latency, the longer it takes for data to get from the server
| to your computer, and so the older it is when it gets there.  The older
| the data is, the more "predicting" your client has to do about the
| positions of other cars on the track.  The more that it has to predict,
| the more likely that it will predict incorrectly, and the more the
| other cars will jump around when it realizes its error.
|
| It is not uncommon for the (Q)uality bar to be completely empty
| (indicating little or no data loss), but it is also not uncommon for a
| few percent of the data to be lost or garbled during transmission,
| showing as a small (Q)uality bar.  If the bar starts to grow steadily,
| then something bad has happened on the route through the Internet
| between you and the server (or the server has crashed).  If the route
| doesn't clear up quickly, you will soon be disconnected.  If it does
| clear up, there will probably be short period of mayhem as the route
| settles down, and old data that has been stuck in transit is flushed.
|
| If the latency is varying a bit, it can be difficult for your client
| to determine what point in time the server is currently at, and a small
| (S)kew bar is likely to appear.  If the (S)kew bar grows continuously
| until it hits the top or bottom, your client will smash its clock to
| resynchronize itself to the server.  If it does this, then either the
| connection between you and the server is very poor, or either your
| machine or the server machine is extremely overloaded, and your client
| can no longer stay in step with the server.
|
| -------------------------------------------------
|
Mark Aisthorp

Papyrus, please give us GPL2 (or GPL1.5 :)

by Mark Aisthorp » Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:00:00




> The localized versions of the GPL 1.2 patch are currently being tested.

> I must apologize to all of you for the non-real-time gaff in 1.1.  I
> don't know how we missed this.  It is fixed in 1.2, along with several
> other bug fixes and improvements (slow-mo/turbo is no more).

> Here's the readme12.txt.  GPL 1.2 is NOT yet released.  I'll be sure to
> let y'all know when it is.

> Randy

Great news Randy, Thanks
Now I know you don't want to put your foot in it by giving a release date as
such,
but how about a ruff gestimate, are we talking days, weeks, months etc.
We promise not to hold you to whatever you say, honest, right everyone.

--
Mark
London UK
Yamaha TRX850

David L. Co

Papyrus, please give us GPL2 (or GPL1.5 :)

by David L. Co » Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:00:00

These fixes are really appreciated - but if an add-on like the Act Labs
RS Shifter is so easily implemented by other game developers, why don't
you take advantage of this opportunity to include support for it in the
forthcoming patch?  I don't understand.  It would be such a perfect fit.  
Is there bad blood between Papyrus and Act Labs?

David Cook

In article <01bf09c8$0fa76100$9f101d81@randy_c3.internal.papy.com>,

rcassidy@remove_this.aloha.mv.com wrote...
> Rick Sweeney <rs...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in article
> <37F02543.5D703...@carolina.rr.com>...
> > Or maybe fix the online problems that the 1.1 patch caused. I use
> cable,
> > and before 1.1 my online connection was awesome.  I could host with
> 19
> > drivers easily.  Now it just gets so frustrating with the bad conn,
> > Slo-Mo's as they call it, its just not worth going on-line anymore.
> Yea
> > I have the latest greatest INI allison file, and have tried numerous
> > variables upon that, and just gave up.

> The localized versions of the GPL 1.2 patch are currently being tested.

> I must apologize to all of you for the non-real-time gaff in 1.1.  I
> don't know how we missed this.  It is fixed in 1.2, along with several
> other bug fixes and improvements (slow-mo/turbo is no more).

> Here's the readme12.txt.  GPL 1.2 is NOT yet released.  I'll be sure to
> let y'all know when it is.

> Randy

> -------------------------------------------------
> Grand Prix Legends PATCH README
> Version 1.2
> 8/18/99

> [ To read this file, select Edit/Word Wrap from the menu above ]

>                 TABLE OF CONTENTS

>         1.  GENERAL

>         2.  MULTIPLAYER

>         3.  CONTACTING SIERRA

> 1. GENERAL
> ----------

> This patch will upgrade GPL version 1.1.0.3 to version 1.2.0.x.

> GPL 1.1.0.3 introduced a bug that could cause the game to run slower
> than normal.  This lead to numerous problems, most of which were even
> worse when running multiplayer races.  This is now fixed.

> The driver selection list on the race weekend screen could contain
> blank entries. Also, when selecting a driver from the list, the program
> might focus the camera on the wrong car.  This is now fixed.

> If you miss the start of the race, you must now join the race within
> about two minutes, or the green button is taken away and you will not
> be allowed to join.

> If you have installed replays from many different players, the <Player>
> drop-down list on the Load Replay screen would expand off the bottom of
> the screen, instead of turning into a scrollable list of players.  This
> is now fixed.

> If you had any saved replays from players that did not enter a driver
> name, the <Player> dropdown list would default to showing only replays
> created by these players, instead of showing replays created by "All
> Players."  This is now fixed.

> 2. MULTIPLAYER
> --------------

> GPL 1.2.0.x clients and servers will not connect to GPL 1.1.0.3 clients
> and servers (and vice versa).  If you try to connect, you will be told
> that the server is incompatible.

> If you disconnected from a race server, and then reconnected to the
> server, the server would no longer score laps driven by you during the
> practice session.  This is now fixed.

> A new chat command has been added.  Any Boss may now tell the server to
> stop the current race (if any), disconnect all clients, and exit by
> issuing the "!shutdown" command as a chat message.

> It was possible, particularly when connected to a fast dedicated race
> server, that your pit stall placard and lap time board would be
> positioned incorrectly when transitioning from one race to another.
> This is now fixed.

> You can now issue private chat messages to any one of the players
> connected to the server.  Begin your message with "/", followed by the
> name of the player (or #car_number), followed by the message.  For
> example
>    /#16 Hey, John.  What's up?
>    /smith What's up?
>    /j.smith What's up?
>    /jo.smi What's up?
>    /john.smith What's up?

>    The message will only be sent to the person you identify (or you will
> be given an error message if the program couldn't figure out who you
> meant).

> GPL 1.1.0.3 added a new method by which a client would try to stay in
> step with its server.  When latencies were fairly stable, it was
> smoother than the original method employed by GPL 1.0.  When latencies
> were unstable, however, the game could speed up or slow down rather
> excessively, making it very difficult to control the car.  We've
> reworked this synchronization method to make it less sensitive to
> fluctuations in latency, and to prevent it from applying excessive
> adjustments.  It should now be much smoother than the GPL 1.0
> synchronization method, even when the latency is very high and very
> unstable.  The new synchronization method is used by default.  However,
> if you had switched to using the old synchronization method with GPL
> 1.1.0.3 because the "turbo/slow motion" effect was destroying gameplay,
> please give the new method a try (just remove the synch_method=0 line
> from core.ini, or change it to read synch_method=1).

> The Internet can be a harrowing medium through which to race.  Gameplay
> is directly affected by the latency, reliability, and consistency of
> the connection between you and the game server, so it's important that
> the program give you a good sense of these factors.  GPL 1.2.0.x now
> has graphical displays that allow you to monitor the status of your
> communications with the server when you are a GPL client.  These meters
> can only be displayed while in the car.  They can be toggled on/off by
> pressing Alt-M while in the car.  They can be distracting while
> driving, so they are turned off by default.  You can request that they
> be turned on by default by adding the following two lines to core.ini

> [ Communications ]
> show_meters = 1

>    The bar graphs are as follows...

>        (L) Instantaneous latency from 0.0 seconds (the bar is empty) to
> 1.0 seconds (the bar is full height).  This is the amount of time that
> it takes for a message to go from the server, to your client, and back
> to the server.  Note that Alt-L shows average latency, not
> instantaneous latency.
>        (Q) Quality from 100% (the bar is empty) to 0% (the bar is full
> height).  The more data that is lost or garbled during transmission
> from the server to you, the lower the quality of your connection, and
> the higher this bar will go.
>        (S) The time skew (difference) between your GPL client and the
> server.  If your current time is behind where you expect the server to
> be, this bar will be below center.  If it is at the bottom, then you
> believe that you are 1.5 seconds (or more) behind the server.  If your
> current time is ahead of where you expect the server to be, it will be
> above center.  If it is at the top, then you believe that you are 1.5
> seconds (or more) ahead of the server.  If the bar reaches the top or
> bottom, then your client will resynchronize itself with the server (it
> will smash its clock).

>     Ideally, no red bars should be visible whatsoever.  That is, you
> have 0.0 seconds of latency, 100% of data from the server is getting to
> you, and your client believes that it is at the same point in time as
> the server.  In practice, this will not happen.

>    The (L)atency bar will almost always be visible since it is not
> possible for data to get from the server to you instantaneously.  The
> higher the latency, the longer it takes for data to get from the server
> to your computer, and so the older it is when it gets there.  The older
> the data is, the more "predicting" your client has to do about the
> positions of other cars on the track.  The more that it has to predict,
> the more likely that it will predict incorrectly, and the more the
> other cars will jump around when it realizes its error.

>    It is not uncommon for the (Q)uality bar to be completely empty
> (indicating little or no data loss), but it is also not uncommon for a
> few percent of the data to be lost or garbled during transmission,
> showing as a small (Q)uality bar.  If the bar starts to grow steadily,
> then something bad has happened on the route through the Internet
> between you and the server (or the server has crashed).  If the route
> doesn't clear up quickly, you will soon be disconnected.  If it does
> clear up, there will probably be short period of mayhem as the route
> settles down, and old data that has been stuck in transit is flushed.

>    If the latency is varying a bit, it can be difficult for your client
> to determine what point in time the server is currently at, and a small
> (S)kew bar is likely to appear.  If the (S)kew bar grows continuously
> until it hits the top or bottom, your client will smash its clock to
> resynchronize itself to the server.  If it does this, then either the
> connection between you and the server is very poor, or either your
> machine or the server machine is extremely overloaded, and your client
> can no longer stay in step with the server.

> -------------------------------------------------

Michael Barlo

Papyrus, please give us GPL2 (or GPL1.5 :)

by Michael Barlo » Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:00:00


>  And what about a SCL(Sports Car Legend) Addon. I like GPL but I prefer
> the Sports Car of the same period. It wouldn't be difficult to do as
> these cars were technicaly very near(the open top ones). It would be
> great to race with the Lola T70, Matra 670, Porsche 917 or the Ferrari
> P4,Ford GT40, Porsche 908,Ferrari 312, etc...

        The SCL i'd like to see is the AH Bug-eye Sprite! ;-)

--
=========================================
Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing?
=========================================
http://members.xoom.com/BarlowRacing/

Racing online with the help of......

Race Communications Association
Holodyne Engineering
Mystic Music
(have Your !!Name/Address!! placed here)

Douglas Bolling

Papyrus, please give us GPL2 (or GPL1.5 :)

by Douglas Bolling » Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:00:00


<snip>
<snip>

Cool, Papyrus figured out how to do a GPL Lag-o-meter!

Glad to see the patch coming out, hopefully the beta testers won't
sit on it forever.

--
Douglas Bollinger
Mt. Holly Springs, PA   17065

My other computer runs Linux.

don hodgdo

Papyrus, please give us GPL2 (or GPL1.5 :)

by don hodgdo » Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Both are great ideas! Just like GPL's F1, F2 and F3 cars, there could be 3
classes of sports cars. Group One could be the top dogs, the Lola T70s,
GT40s, Chaparrals etc. Group Two could be the Porsche 904s, Cobras,
Stingrays, Lotus 23s and the like. Group Three would consist of under 2
litre cars, Triumphs, Healeys, Porsche Abarth Carreras, Alfas...maybe even a
Gordini or an OSCA<g>.

Add Gurney, Donohue, Ginther, Phil Hill, Jim Hall, Ken Miles, The Rodriguez
brothers, David Piper, Tony Maggs, Baghetti, Maglioli, Revson, Andretti, and
of course, Bruce and Denny and I'll be first in line, cash in hand.

don

[|]-(_)-[|]



>>  And what about a SCL(Sports Car Legend) Addon. I like GPL but I prefer
>> the Sports Car of the same period. It wouldn't be difficult to do as
>> these cars were technicaly very near(the open top ones). It would be
>> great to race with the Lola T70, Matra 670, Porsche 917 or the Ferrari
>> P4,Ford GT40, Porsche 908,Ferrari 312, etc...

> The SCL i'd like to see is the AH Bug-eye Sprite! ;-)

WiNoJo

Papyrus, please give us GPL2 (or GPL1.5 :)

by WiNoJo » Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Sounds good, but how about better OpenGL support?  Or D3d for
that matter.
Not being able to use the mirrors with my TNT2 Ultra really
sucks.

Randy Cassidy <rcassidy@remove_this.aloha.mv.com> wrote in
message
news:01bf09c8$0fa76100$9f101d81@randy_c3.internal.papy.com...

> Rick Sweeney <rs...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in article
> <37F02543.5D703...@carolina.rr.com>...
> > Or maybe fix the online problems that the 1.1 patch caused. I
use
> cable,
> > and before 1.1 my online connection was awesome.  I could
host with
> 19
> > drivers easily.  Now it just gets so frustrating with the bad
conn,
> > Slo-Mo's as they call it, its just not worth going on-line
anymore.
> Yea
> > I have the latest greatest INI allison file, and have tried
numerous
> > variables upon that, and just gave up.

> The localized versions of the GPL 1.2 patch are currently being
tested.

> I must apologize to all of you for the non-real-time gaff in
1.1.  I
> don't know how we missed this.  It is fixed in 1.2, along with
several
> other bug fixes and improvements (slow-mo/turbo is no more).

> Here's the readme12.txt.  GPL 1.2 is NOT yet released.  I'll be
sure to
> let y'all know when it is.

> Randy

> -------------------------------------------------
> Grand Prix Legends PATCH README
> Version 1.2
> 8/18/99

> [ To read this file, select Edit/Word Wrap from the menu
above ]

>                 TABLE OF CONTENTS

>         1.  GENERAL

>         2.  MULTIPLAYER

>         3.  CONTACTING SIERRA

> 1. GENERAL
> ----------

> This patch will upgrade GPL version 1.1.0.3 to version 1.2.0.x.

> GPL 1.1.0.3 introduced a bug that could cause the game to run
slower
> than normal.  This lead to numerous problems, most of which
were even
> worse when running multiplayer races.  This is now fixed.

> The driver selection list on the race weekend screen could
contain
> blank entries. Also, when selecting a driver from the list, the
program
> might focus the camera on the wrong car.  This is now fixed.

> If you miss the start of the race, you must now join the race
within
> about two minutes, or the green button is taken away and you
will not
> be allowed to join.

> If you have installed replays from many different players, the
<Player>
> drop-down list on the Load Replay screen would expand off the
bottom of
> the screen, instead of turning into a scrollable list of
players.  This
> is now fixed.

> If you had any saved replays from players that did not enter a
driver
> name, the <Player> dropdown list would default to showing only
replays
> created by these players, instead of showing replays created by
"All
> Players."  This is now fixed.

> 2. MULTIPLAYER
> --------------

> GPL 1.2.0.x clients and servers will not connect to GPL 1.1.0.3
clients
> and servers (and vice versa).  If you try to connect, you will
be told
> that the server is incompatible.

> If you disconnected from a race server, and then reconnected to
the
> server, the server would no longer score laps driven by you
during the
> practice session.  This is now fixed.

> A new chat command has been added.  Any Boss may now tell the
server to
> stop the current race (if any), disconnect all clients, and
exit by
> issuing the "!shutdown" command as a chat message.

> It was possible, particularly when connected to a fast
dedicated race
> server, that your pit stall placard and lap time board would be
> positioned incorrectly when transitioning from one race to
another.
> This is now fixed.

> You can now issue private chat messages to any one of the
players
> connected to the server.  Begin your message with "/", followed
by the
> name of the player (or #car_number), followed by the message.
For
> example
> /#16 Hey, John.  What's up?
> /smith What's up?
> /j.smith What's up?
> /jo.smi What's up?
> /john.smith What's up?

> The message will only be sent to the person you identify (or
you will
> be given an error message if the program couldn't figure out
who you
> meant).

> GPL 1.1.0.3 added a new method by which a client would try to
stay in
> step with its server.  When latencies were fairly stable, it
was
> smoother than the original method employed by GPL 1.0.  When
latencies
> were unstable, however, the game could speed up or slow down
rather
> excessively, making it very difficult to control the car.
We've
> reworked this synchronization method to make it less sensitive
to
> fluctuations in latency, and to prevent it from applying
excessive
> adjustments.  It should now be much smoother than the GPL 1.0
> synchronization method, even when the latency is very high and
very
> unstable.  The new synchronization method is used by default.
However,
> if you had switched to using the old synchronization method
with GPL
> 1.1.0.3 because the "turbo/slow motion" effect was destroying
gameplay,
> please give the new method a try (just remove the
synch_method=0 line
> from core.ini, or change it to read synch_method=1).

> The Internet can be a harrowing medium through which to race.
Gameplay
> is directly affected by the latency, reliability, and
consistency of
> the connection between you and the game server, so it's
important that
> the program give you a good sense of these factors.  GPL
1.2.0.x now
> has graphical displays that allow you to monitor the status of
your
> communications with the server when you are a GPL client.
These meters
> can only be displayed while in the car.  They can be toggled
on/off by
> pressing Alt-M while in the car.  They can be distracting while
> driving, so they are turned off by default.  You can request
that they
> be turned on by default by adding the following two lines to
core.ini

> [ Communications ]
> show_meters = 1

> The bar graphs are as follows...

>     (L) Instantaneous latency from 0.0 seconds (the bar is
empty) to
> 1.0 seconds (the bar is full height).  This is the amount of
time that
> it takes for a message to go from the server, to your client,
and back
> to the server.  Note that Alt-L shows average latency, not
> instantaneous latency.
>     (Q) Quality from 100% (the bar is empty) to 0% (the bar is
full
> height).  The more data that is lost or garbled during
transmission
> from the server to you, the lower the quality of your
connection, and
> the higher this bar will go.
>     (S) The time skew (difference) between your GPL client and
the
> server.  If your current time is behind where you expect the
server to
> be, this bar will be below center.  If it is at the bottom,
then you
> believe that you are 1.5 seconds (or more) behind the server.
If your
> current time is ahead of where you expect the server to be, it
will be
> above center.  If it is at the top, then you believe that you
are 1.5
> seconds (or more) ahead of the server.  If the bar reaches the
top or
> bottom, then your client will resynchronize itself with the
server (it
> will smash its clock).

>     Ideally, no red bars should be visible whatsoever.  That
is, you
> have 0.0 seconds of latency, 100% of data from the server is
getting to
> you, and your client believes that it is at the same point in
time as
> the server.  In practice, this will not happen.

> The (L)atency bar will almost always be visible since it is not
> possible for data to get from the server to you

instantaneously.  The

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> higher the latency, the longer it takes for data to get from
the server
> to your computer, and so the older it is when it gets there.
The older
> the data is, the more "predicting" your client has to do about
the
> positions of other cars on the track.  The more that it has to
predict,
> the more likely that it will predict incorrectly, and the more
the
> other cars will jump around when it realizes its error.

> It is not uncommon for the (Q)uality bar to be completely empty
> (indicating little or no data loss), but it is also not
uncommon for a
> few percent of the data to be lost or garbled during
transmission,
> showing as a small (Q)uality bar.  If the bar starts to grow
steadily,
> then something bad has happened on the route through the
Internet
> between you and the server (or the server has crashed).  If the
route
> doesn't clear up quickly, you will soon be disconnected.  If it
does
> clear up, there will probably be short period of mayhem as the
route
> settles down, and old data that has been stuck in transit is
flushed.

> If the latency is varying a bit, it can be difficult for your
client
> to determine what point in time the server is currently at, and
a small
> (S)kew bar is likely to appear.  If the (S)kew bar grows
continuously
> until it hits the top or bottom, your client will smash its
clock to
> resynchronize itself to the server.  If it does this, then
either the
> connection between you and the server is very poor, or either
your
> machine or the server machine is extremely overloaded, and your
client
> can no longer stay in step with the server.

> -------------------------------------------------

Chri

Papyrus, please give us GPL2 (or GPL1.5 :)

by Chri » Thu, 30 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Hooooo Boy.  <Drool>  Don't get me e***d with wonderful
add-on possibilities like that! 8^)

>  And what about a SCL(Sports Car Legend) Addon. I like GPL but
> I prefer the Sports Car of the same period. It wouldn't be
> difficult to do as these cars were technicaly very near(the
> open top ones). It would be great to race with the Lola T70,
> Matra 670, Porsche 917 or the Ferrari P4,Ford GT40, Porsche
> 908,Ferrari 312, etc...


> > Papyrus, please give us a GPL2 or at least a
> > GPL upgrade pack!
> > I understand that GPL was probably planned
> > and budgeted as a niche product only and to
> > pave the way for following NASCAR and CART
> > big sellers using the new physics engine.
> > (GPL's licensing costs, compared to  NASCAR
> > licensing costs, must have been minimal:
> > they didn't even bother to license the term "Formula
> > One"; Papy calls their cars Grand Prix cars instead of
> > F1 cars!!).
> > So I guess GPL is not the financial disappointment that
> > some people want to make us believe it is.

> > Regarding GPL as a niche product I still wish it would
> > be supported in the future. How about an upgrade CD
> > without further licensing costs? I can imagine that a lot
> > of enthusiasts would be willing to pay for an upgrade pack
> > without new tracks and such, but with new features like
> > simulated weather, some new 'game play' options like the
> > 'maximum chassis per event' option that was planned in the
> > early development of GPL (well at least some very old screen-
> > shots hint at this). A helluva *lot* of new game play options for
> > online racing leagues come to mind (as well as for single player
> > championships)...

> > So there is still a great potential for a commercial GPL upgrade
> > without any new and costly licensing! Understanding that
> > the software companies of today don't care about minority
> > interests at all, I'm encouraged with Papy's release of GPL and:
> > hey, with minimizing the costs, why not supporting that small
> > but loyal clientele any further?

> > Anyone out there who feels the same?

> > -Thorsten Rueter

--
-Chris-

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