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F1C Problems

Haqsa

F1C Problems

by Haqsa » Sun, 29 Jun 2003 05:51:30

Well so far this feels like a giant step backwards from F1 2002.  I hate to
say that because I have always been a big fan of ISI products but so far I
cannot get this game to work right.  First, the groove does not show up on
any of the tracks I tried.  Second, even though I have the detail level on
full for everything the graphics look grainy and dull to me.  Third and the
worst part is that even though I am typically seeing steady frame rates in
the 100's the game is jerking every second or so.  I had this problem once
on an older machine with F1 2001 but do not have it on this machine with F1
2002.  So why has it come back again with F1C?  I know some people
experienced this before - the car seems to jerk very slightly at regular
intervals, like it missed a few frames or something.  Again, I am getting
high, steady frame rates so I do not think it is graphics.  I tried turning
down the number of sound effects and reducing the replay fidelity but the
problem is still there.  I turned up the physics rate, no change.  I do not
have anything running in the background.  Any ideas what the problem might
be?

Thanks,
Hal

P.S.  Must say though the physics do appear to be more accurate.  I can't go
flat out through Eau Rouge any more!  Although I'm sure some of you can. ;o)

redTe

F1C Problems

by redTe » Sun, 29 Jun 2003 06:10:59


Try turning the record replay function off....turn shadows off (if
available)..check anti aliasing settings.
The graphics, in themselves, should be clear and colourful as they normally
are in the EA F1 series.
Any 'net apps running in the background ? Virus software etc ??

Steve Blankenshi

F1C Problems

by Steve Blankenshi » Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:10:36


;o)

I saw the stuttering online once, but it wasn't a regular thing until I
tried turning off the "used compressed textures" switch in the .PLR file
after seeing the suggestion in the CTD review on BHMS.  That made it happen
all the time; switching back to compressed textures stopped it.  Perhaps
this is a server-determined option for online?

Also saw what looked like a physics glitch today; ran a few first laps at
the miserable Jr. 'Ring, and trying to take the uphill left-right esses flat
ala F12K2, got sideways and put the front wheels up on the inside curbing.
Guess what; the car rolled.  Didn't touch anything other than the curbing,
but it just lifted up and rolled right over.  Hmmm; never saw Ralf do that!
Have the replay (250K) and a screen grab (126K) from it.

SB

Ped Xin

F1C Problems

by Ped Xin » Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:29:23



LOL, I did that too!  I rolled several times, too, it was quite
spectacular!  Although I didn't lap that track in 2K2, I'm pretty sure I'd
be able to take it flat.  I can't in F1C though.

Steve Smit

F1C Problems

by Steve Smit » Sun, 29 Jun 2003 12:22:29

Try turning off the pit-crew animations.

Also, how abt. some particulars on yer system?  Stuttering is usually to do
with IRQs and/or sound cards.  Well, back in The Day....


Greg Dun

F1C Problems

by Greg Dun » Sun, 29 Jun 2003 12:53:38

On SimBin, someone noted that turning Vsync OFF made a HUGE improvement
in the stutter.  I tried "changing weather" with detail maxed out on
everything, and it was totally smooth.  F1-2002 often ran better with
Vsync ON, but not F1C.  Give it a try if you haven't already.
Haqsa

F1C Problems

by Haqsa » Sun, 29 Jun 2003 13:11:05

System:

P4 2.4C
ASUS P4P800 motherboard (865 chipset)
Onboard sound by Analog Devices
512 meg dual channel DDR RAM
128 meg GeForce 4 Ti 4200
80 gig Western Digital WJB80 hard drive
Logitech Momo Racing wheel
Fruit of the Loom socks and underwear

I hasten to add that F1 2002 works flawlessly on this PC, so I doubt that it
is machine related.  I have tried to track down differences in the
configuration of the two games but I don't see any other than maybe some of
the detail levels.  I did try getting rid of some background daemons, and it
did reduce the stuttering but it did not completely eliminate it.  Not sure
why that would make a difference in F1C but not be necessary with F1 2002.

I still don't think this game is set up right.  I don't see the groove on
most of the tracks and the telemetry feature is not working right.  It will
record telemetry but I cannot view/load the reference lap data.  I checked
the directory and the reference laps are there but they do not show up when
trying to load a lap.  Or maybe I just forgot how to do it.  ;o|  Also I
thought they added a sound effect for traction control.  I don't hear
anything even when flooring it out of a first gear corner.

Anyway, while I can certainly see where there are some improvements from the
previous games, I am still not enjoying it.


Ped Xin

F1C Problems

by Ped Xin » Sun, 29 Jun 2003 13:37:52



Man, your install must be totally hozed.  I didn't catch wether you tried
re-installing or not?

Redmis

F1C Problems

by Redmis » Sun, 29 Jun 2003 13:41:53

Hmm...I think your install must have gone horribly wrong.  I don't suffer
from any of the problems you list.  In no way, shape or form is F1C worse
than F12002 (at least on my PC.)
Jeffrey345

F1C Problems

by Jeffrey345 » Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:32:41


change these first!

Jimste

F1C Problems

by Jimste » Sun, 29 Jun 2003 16:52:01

I'm having the same problem. It is the same thing that happened to me in
F12002 and F12001
I get high framerates (+70) and then at regular intervals it looks like it
skips a frame or too.

I' ve never found a solution to the problem in the previous versions altough
it disappeared after fiddling with a lot of the gfx settings. Once it is
gone you will never have it back...
Only I can't remember what things I changed....
I do remember a thing it could be related to the fact that the resolution /
refresh rate of the desktop is different to the resolution / refresh rate of
the game....
I'll do some more tests today to make it.. i'll be intouch...


Jimste

F1C Problems

by Jimste » Sun, 29 Jun 2003 16:52:02

I'm having the same problem. It is the same thing that happened to me in
F12002 and F12001
I get high framerates (+70) and then at regular intervals it looks like it
skips a frame or too.

I' ve never found a solution to the problem in the previous versions altough
it disappeared after fiddling with a lot of the gfx settings. Once it is
gone you will never have it back...
Only I can't remember what things I changed....
I do remember a thing it could be related to the fact that the resolution /
refresh rate of the desktop is different to the resolution / refresh rate of
the game....
I'll do some more tests today to make it.. i'll be intouch...


DOK

F1C Problems

by DOK » Sun, 29 Jun 2003 17:29:26


>I'm having the same problem. It is the same thing that happened to me in
>F12002 and F12001
>I get high framerates (+70) and then at regular intervals it looks like it
>skips a frame or too.

>I' ve never found a solution to the problem in the previous versions altough
>it disappeared after fiddling with a lot of the gfx settings. Once it is
>gone you will never have it back...
>Only I can't remember what things I changed....
>I do remember a thing it could be related to the fact that the resolution /
>refresh rate of the desktop is different to the resolution / refresh rate of
>the game....
>I'll do some more tests today to make it.. i'll be intouch...



>> Well so far this feels like a giant step backwards from F1 2002.  I hate
>to
>> say that because I have always been a big fan of ISI products but so far I
>> cannot get this game to work right.  First, the groove does not show up on
>> any of the tracks I tried.  Second, even though I have the detail level on
>> full for everything the graphics look grainy and dull to me.  Third and
>the
>> worst part is that even though I am typically seeing steady frame rates in
>> the 100's the game is jerking every second or so.  I had this problem once
>> on an older machine with F1 2001 but do not have it on this machine with
>F1
>> 2002.  So why has it come back again with F1C?  I know some people
>> experienced this before - the car seems to jerk very slightly at regular
>> intervals, like it missed a few frames or something.  Again, I am getting
>> high, steady frame rates so I do not think it is graphics.  I tried
>turning
>> down the number of sound effects and reducing the replay fidelity but the
>> problem is still there.  I turned up the physics rate, no change.  I do
>not
>> have anything running in the background.  Any ideas what the problem might
>> be?

>> Thanks,
>> Hal

>> P.S.  Must say though the physics do appear to be more accurate.  I can't
>go
>> flat out through Eau Rouge any more!  Although I'm sure some of you can.
>;o)

Maybe change windows cache settings
Steve Smit

F1C Problems

by Steve Smit » Sun, 29 Jun 2003 19:51:30

You didn't just copy something over from F12002 didja?  F1C isn't just an
upgrade; it's a complete makeover.

If not a full re-install, then at least vet/repair/replace config and ini
files.  But it doesn't sound like yer present install is within limits; more
like something is just plain wrong, altho Vsynch and/or AA and/or aniso can
make a *powerful* diff.

Try turning off telemetry altogether.

Traction control sounds just like it does in the RW: a kind of growl.
Normally, the volume is kinda low.  You can adjust it (relative to the
engine sound) in the .plr file.  Look for a value of abt. 2.0000 in the
Sound stanza (default is in the mid 1.8s).

You should be able to test the sound theory by turning off the on-board in
the BIOS.

Change yer shorts.  I recommend the German Schiesse brand....


> System:

> P4 2.4C
> ASUS P4P800 motherboard (865 chipset)
> Onboard sound by Analog Devices
> 512 meg dual channel DDR RAM
> 128 meg GeForce 4 Ti 4200
> 80 gig Western Digital WJB80 hard drive
> Logitech Momo Racing wheel
> Fruit of the Loom socks and underwear

> I hasten to add that F1 2002 works flawlessly on this PC, so I doubt that
it
> is machine related.  I have tried to track down differences in the
> configuration of the two games but I don't see any other than maybe some
of
> the detail levels.  I did try getting rid of some background daemons, and
it
> did reduce the stuttering but it did not completely eliminate it.  Not
sure
> why that would make a difference in F1C but not be necessary with F1 2002.

> I still don't think this game is set up right.  I don't see the groove on
> most of the tracks and the telemetry feature is not working right.  It
will
> record telemetry but I cannot view/load the reference lap data.  I checked
> the directory and the reference laps are there but they do not show up
when
> trying to load a lap.  Or maybe I just forgot how to do it.  ;o|  Also I
> thought they added a sound effect for traction control.  I don't hear
> anything even when flooring it out of a first gear corner.

> Anyway, while I can certainly see where there are some improvements from
the
> previous games, I am still not enjoying it.



> > Try turning off the pit-crew animations.

> > Also, how abt. some particulars on yer system?  Stuttering is usually to
> do
> > with IRQs and/or sound cards.  Well, back in The Day....

Steve Smit

F1C Problems

by Steve Smit » Sun, 29 Jun 2003 19:53:47


1024x768x32, change the desktop.


> I'm having the same problem. It is the same thing that happened to me in
> F12002 and F12001
> I get high framerates (+70) and then at regular intervals it looks like it
> skips a frame or too.

> I' ve never found a solution to the problem in the previous versions
altough
> it disappeared after fiddling with a lot of the gfx settings. Once it is
> gone you will never have it back...
> Only I can't remember what things I changed....
> I do remember a thing it could be related to the fact that the resolution
/
> refresh rate of the desktop is different to the resolution / refresh rate
of
> the game....
> I'll do some more tests today to make it.. i'll be intouch...



> > Well so far this feels like a giant step backwards from F1 2002.  I hate
> to
> > say that because I have always been a big fan of ISI products but so far
I
> > cannot get this game to work right.  First, the groove does not show up
on
> > any of the tracks I tried.  Second, even though I have the detail level
on
> > full for everything the graphics look grainy and dull to me.  Third and
> the
> > worst part is that even though I am typically seeing steady frame rates
in
> > the 100's the game is jerking every second or so.  I had this problem
once
> > on an older machine with F1 2001 but do not have it on this machine with
> F1
> > 2002.  So why has it come back again with F1C?  I know some people
> > experienced this before - the car seems to jerk very slightly at regular
> > intervals, like it missed a few frames or something.  Again, I am
getting
> > high, steady frame rates so I do not think it is graphics.  I tried
> turning
> > down the number of sound effects and reducing the replay fidelity but
the
> > problem is still there.  I turned up the physics rate, no change.  I do
> not
> > have anything running in the background.  Any ideas what the problem
might
> > be?

> > Thanks,
> > Hal

> > P.S.  Must say though the physics do appear to be more accurate.  I
can't
> go
> > flat out through Eau Rouge any more!  Although I'm sure some of you can.
> ;o)


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