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Voodoo3 sim shakedown

Keepe

Voodoo3 sim shakedown

by Keepe » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Got a Voodoo3 2000 PCI yesterday.  So far, it scores a big, big zero
from the standpoint of a racing and flight sim fan.

Firstly, the drivers don't work properly.  My monitor is very dark,
so I need to adjust the gamma levels.  However, although the gamma
sliders work correctly in adjusting the desktop and Direct 3D games,
all the gamma slider for Glide accomplishes is making the 3dfx splash
screen brighter or darker -- applications are unaffected, so the two
that I've got to work have been unplayably dark for me.

Speaking of which, here are the results of what I've run so far:

Running on a 75MHz bus with an AMD K6 300MHz processor (not K6-2),
40MB of fastpage RAM (gotta get that updated!), Turtle Beach Montego
PCI sound card, and, of course, the Voodoo3 2000 PCI video card.

   Grand Prix Legends:
Works if set to limit texture memory at 2MB.  Frame rate is slower
than it was on my Stealth II S220 (4MB Rendition V2100) card, though
I can run in higher resolutions.  I have not downloaded the GPL patch
for OpenGL support, so can't give a report on whether that works with
this card.

   Viper Racing (v 1.1):
Fails to load in Glide mode, even selecting the "-nointro" switch.
Works fine in Direct 3D.  Can run at 800 x 600 with a benchmark of
over 38 frames per second.  This is the only improvement I've had
over my old setup.  I even reinstalled the whole game trying to get
it to work in Glide, but it would not.  My monitor light goes yellow,
suggesting no signal.

   NASCAR Racing 1999 Edition:
Works fine.  No discernable difference over how it operated with
my old Monster 3D.  Same frame rates.  The new walls and ads I
recently downloaded still repaint themselves as I get near,
which really distracts me.  I had hoped that this weird effect
was only happening because of the old 4MB Monster 3D not having
enough texture memory.  In replays, the replacement ads are always
visible, and look terrific.

   Pro Pilot 99 (two updates applied):
Works.  I did not fly, though.

   Need For Speed III - Hot Pursuit:
Fails to load in any configuration attempt.

   Carmageddon 2 - Carpocalypse Now!:
Fails to load in any configuration attempt.

   European Air War (latest patches; I forget the version number):
Fails to load in any configuration attempt.

My modem's speaker crackles with an incredible amount of noise.
My phone line is clear, so the noise is coming from the board.
Since this didn't happen until installing the Voodoo3, I blame
it.  My two attempts at connection to the net have resulted in
31.2 connections -- slower than usual, but not terribly uncommon.
No disconnects have occurred yet, so I don't know if this noise
is actually getting into the line or if it's just on the speaker.
It's still quite disconcerting.  There are two PCI and two ISA
slots open between the modem and the video card.

So for now I give up.  Unless the STB/3dfx tech support response
suggests that this card is defective, and/or proper drivers are
provided within a day or so, I'll probably trade the card in for
a reliable Voodoo2 card, and put the Rendition board back in so
I can still soldier along at 12-30 fps in GPL, and actually be
able to see, as well as play the other games which don't work
at all with the Voodoo3 -- so much for "Highest software
compatibility" (from the front of the box).

(Note: I was only able to see with the Stealth because I was
using drivers designed for the Hercules Thriller, a Rendition
V2200 board, which has gamma controls for Windows 98, whereas
the Stealth drivers do not.  And the gamma controls for the
Monster 3D Voodoo card worked also.)

--

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Joni

Voodoo3 sim shakedown

by Joni » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00

hmm.. i got the voodoo3 2000 also and i've had no probs at all with it so
far.I'm runnin on a celeron 400a.. abit bh6 64 megs of pc100 sdram and have
a sblive card.Pretty happy with the results so far..

>Got a Voodoo3 2000 PCI yesterday.  So far, it scores a big, big zero
>from the standpoint of a racing and flight sim fan.

>Firstly, the drivers don't work properly.  My monitor is very dark,
>so I need to adjust the gamma levels.  However, although the gamma
>sliders work correctly in adjusting the desktop and Direct 3D games,
>all the gamma slider for Glide accomplishes is making the 3dfx splash
>screen brighter or darker -- applications are unaffected, so the two
>that I've got to work have been unplayably dark for me.

>Speaking of which, here are the results of what I've run so far:

>Running on a 75MHz bus with an AMD K6 300MHz processor (not K6-2),
>40MB of fastpage RAM (gotta get that updated!), Turtle Beach Montego
>PCI sound card, and, of course, the Voodoo3 2000 PCI video card.

>   Grand Prix Legends:
>Works if set to limit texture memory at 2MB.  Frame rate is slower
>than it was on my Stealth II S220 (4MB Rendition V2100) card, though
>I can run in higher resolutions.  I have not downloaded the GPL patch
>for OpenGL support, so can't give a report on whether that works with
>this card.

>   Viper Racing (v 1.1):
>Fails to load in Glide mode, even selecting the "-nointro" switch.
>Works fine in Direct 3D.  Can run at 800 x 600 with a benchmark of
>over 38 frames per second.  This is the only improvement I've had
>over my old setup.  I even reinstalled the whole game trying to get
>it to work in Glide, but it would not.  My monitor light goes yellow,
>suggesting no signal.

>   NASCAR Racing 1999 Edition:
>Works fine.  No discernable difference over how it operated with
>my old Monster 3D.  Same frame rates.  The new walls and ads I
>recently downloaded still repaint themselves as I get near,
>which really distracts me.  I had hoped that this weird effect
>was only happening because of the old 4MB Monster 3D not having
>enough texture memory.  In replays, the replacement ads are always
>visible, and look terrific.

>   Pro Pilot 99 (two updates applied):
>Works.  I did not fly, though.

>   Need For Speed III - Hot Pursuit:
>Fails to load in any configuration attempt.

>   Carmageddon 2 - Carpocalypse Now!:
>Fails to load in any configuration attempt.

>   European Air War (latest patches; I forget the version number):
>Fails to load in any configuration attempt.

>My modem's speaker crackles with an incredible amount of noise.
>My phone line is clear, so the noise is coming from the board.
>Since this didn't happen until installing the Voodoo3, I blame
>it.  My two attempts at connection to the net have resulted in
>31.2 connections -- slower than usual, but not terribly uncommon.
>No disconnects have occurred yet, so I don't know if this noise
>is actually getting into the line or if it's just on the speaker.
>It's still quite disconcerting.  There are two PCI and two ISA
>slots open between the modem and the video card.

>So for now I give up.  Unless the STB/3dfx tech support response
>suggests that this card is defective, and/or proper drivers are
>provided within a day or so, I'll probably trade the card in for
>a reliable Voodoo2 card, and put the Rendition board back in so
>I can still soldier along at 12-30 fps in GPL, and actually be
>able to see, as well as play the other games which don't work
>at all with the Voodoo3 -- so much for "Highest software
>compatibility" (from the front of the box).

>(Note: I was only able to see with the Stealth because I was
>using drivers designed for the Hercules Thriller, a Rendition
>V2200 board, which has gamma controls for Windows 98, whereas
>the Stealth drivers do not.  And the gamma controls for the
>Monster 3D Voodoo card worked also.)

>--

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files
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Dec.

Glenn Whit

Voodoo3 sim shakedown

by Glenn Whit » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Read this on Blue's today.  You may have problems if upgrading from
Voodoo1 if you don't delete all drivers.

"If you're one of those people who's planning on upgrading from a Voodoo
1 to one of those newfangled Voodoo 3 cards, take note of this bit sent
along by Mark Muller of Volition:

     I added a few Voodoo 3s to our stable here today and when upgrading
from voodoo 1 to the 3, I encountered problems if *all* voodoo 1 driver
files were not removed before installing the new card. This includes,
but is not limited to the following: glide.dll, glide2x.dll,
glide2x.ovl, sstinit.dll, dd3dfx.drv, dd3dfx16.dll, dd3dfx32.dll, and
fxmemmap.vxd. If these files aren't removed, chances are the machine
will lock on running any 3d accelerated game. Upgrades from Voodoo2 went
smoothly with no extra steps needed.

I'd suggest doing a HD search for these files before you install that
new card, as Voodoo 1 uninstall programs have been known to leave these
lingering around."

Hope it helps,

Glenn

Justi

Voodoo3 sim shakedown

by Justi » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Sounds like your computer is ready for a format and fresh install of Win9X.



> Got a Voodoo3 2000 PCI yesterday.  So far, it scores a big, big zero
> from the standpoint of a racing and flight sim fan.

> Firstly, the drivers don't work properly.  My monitor is very dark,
> so I need to adjust the gamma levels.  However, although the gamma
> sliders work correctly in adjusting the desktop and Direct 3D games,
> all the gamma slider for Glide accomplishes is making the 3dfx splash
> screen brighter or darker -- applications are unaffected, so the two
> that I've got to work have been unplayably dark for me.

> Speaking of which, here are the results of what I've run so far:

> Running on a 75MHz bus with an AMD K6 300MHz processor (not K6-2),
> 40MB of fastpage RAM (gotta get that updated!), Turtle Beach Montego
> PCI sound card, and, of course, the Voodoo3 2000 PCI video card.

>    Grand Prix Legends:
> Works if set to limit texture memory at 2MB.  Frame rate is slower
> than it was on my Stealth II S220 (4MB Rendition V2100) card, though
> I can run in higher resolutions.  I have not downloaded the GPL patch
> for OpenGL support, so can't give a report on whether that works with
> this card.

>    Viper Racing (v 1.1):
> Fails to load in Glide mode, even selecting the "-nointro" switch.
> Works fine in Direct 3D.  Can run at 800 x 600 with a benchmark of
> over 38 frames per second.  This is the only improvement I've had
> over my old setup.  I even reinstalled the whole game trying to get
> it to work in Glide, but it would not.  My monitor light goes yellow,
> suggesting no signal.

>    NASCAR Racing 1999 Edition:
> Works fine.  No discernable difference over how it operated with
> my old Monster 3D.  Same frame rates.  The new walls and ads I
> recently downloaded still repaint themselves as I get near,
> which really distracts me.  I had hoped that this weird effect
> was only happening because of the old 4MB Monster 3D not having
> enough texture memory.  In replays, the replacement ads are always
> visible, and look terrific.

>    Pro Pilot 99 (two updates applied):
> Works.  I did not fly, though.

>    Need For Speed III - Hot Pursuit:
> Fails to load in any configuration attempt.

>    Carmageddon 2 - Carpocalypse Now!:
> Fails to load in any configuration attempt.

>    European Air War (latest patches; I forget the version number):
> Fails to load in any configuration attempt.

> My modem's speaker crackles with an incredible amount of noise.
> My phone line is clear, so the noise is coming from the board.
> Since this didn't happen until installing the Voodoo3, I blame
> it.  My two attempts at connection to the net have resulted in
> 31.2 connections -- slower than usual, but not terribly uncommon.
> No disconnects have occurred yet, so I don't know if this noise
> is actually getting into the line or if it's just on the speaker.
> It's still quite disconcerting.  There are two PCI and two ISA
> slots open between the modem and the video card.

> So for now I give up.  Unless the STB/3dfx tech support response
> suggests that this card is defective, and/or proper drivers are
> provided within a day or so, I'll probably trade the card in for
> a reliable Voodoo2 card, and put the Rendition board back in so
> I can still soldier along at 12-30 fps in GPL, and actually be
> able to see, as well as play the other games which don't work
> at all with the Voodoo3 -- so much for "Highest software
> compatibility" (from the front of the box).

> (Note: I was only able to see with the Stealth because I was
> using drivers designed for the Hercules Thriller, a Rendition
> V2200 board, which has gamma controls for Windows 98, whereas
> the Stealth drivers do not.  And the gamma controls for the
> Monster 3D Voodoo card worked also.)

> --

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files
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Dec.

paulc

Voodoo3 sim shakedown

by paulc » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00


I agree. It's a major pain, but I wouldn't return anything until you tried
it, unless you flat out hate the card.

I recently replaced my G200 with a Rage Fury. Although I could play Quake II
for hours, I was getting lockups in the oddest places. (Notepad, for God's
sake! If your system can't run Notepad properly, you're in big trouble.)
Reinstalls and upgrades just made the situation worse. A format, a fresh
install of Windows, and throwing the drivers that shipped with the card in
the trash fixed everything.

Paul

SuperSta

Voodoo3 sim shakedown

by SuperSta » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00

You should understand that you did purchase "old" technology (relatively)
i.e. an out-of-date graphics card.  Return it if you can and wait for
nVidia's Riva TNT2 in a few weeks.  I wouldn't support 3Dfx as they falsely
imply this next generation Voodoo3 bull shit.  As well, 3Dfx's attempt to
monopolize the video card business will end up like Macintosh and their
rotten Apples.

SS


>Got a Voodoo3 2000 PCI yesterday.  So far, it scores a big, big zero
>from the standpoint of a racing and flight sim fan.

>Firstly, the drivers don't work properly.  My monitor is very dark,
>so I need to adjust the gamma levels.  However, although the gamma
>sliders work correctly in adjusting the desktop and Direct 3D games,
>all the gamma slider for Glide accomplishes is making the 3dfx splash
>screen brighter or darker -- applications are unaffected, so the two
>that I've got to work have been unplayably dark for me.

>Speaking of which, here are the results of what I've run so far:

>Running on a 75MHz bus with an AMD K6 300MHz processor (not K6-2),
>40MB of fastpage RAM (gotta get that updated!), Turtle Beach Montego
>PCI sound card, and, of course, the Voodoo3 2000 PCI video card.

>   Grand Prix Legends:
>Works if set to limit texture memory at 2MB.  Frame rate is slower
>than it was on my Stealth II S220 (4MB Rendition V2100) card, though
>I can run in higher resolutions.  I have not downloaded the GPL patch
>for OpenGL support, so can't give a report on whether that works with
>this card.

>   Viper Racing (v 1.1):
>Fails to load in Glide mode, even selecting the "-nointro" switch.
>Works fine in Direct 3D.  Can run at 800 x 600 with a benchmark of
>over 38 frames per second.  This is the only improvement I've had
>over my old setup.  I even reinstalled the whole game trying to get
>it to work in Glide, but it would not.  My monitor light goes yellow,
>suggesting no signal.

>   NASCAR Racing 1999 Edition:
>Works fine.  No discernable difference over how it operated with
>my old Monster 3D.  Same frame rates.  The new walls and ads I
>recently downloaded still repaint themselves as I get near,
>which really distracts me.  I had hoped that this weird effect
>was only happening because of the old 4MB Monster 3D not having
>enough texture memory.  In replays, the replacement ads are always
>visible, and look terrific.

>   Pro Pilot 99 (two updates applied):
>Works.  I did not fly, though.

>   Need For Speed III - Hot Pursuit:
>Fails to load in any configuration attempt.

>   Carmageddon 2 - Carpocalypse Now!:
>Fails to load in any configuration attempt.

>   European Air War (latest patches; I forget the version number):
>Fails to load in any configuration attempt.

>My modem's speaker crackles with an incredible amount of noise.
>My phone line is clear, so the noise is coming from the board.
>Since this didn't happen until installing the Voodoo3, I blame
>it.  My two attempts at connection to the net have resulted in
>31.2 connections -- slower than usual, but not terribly uncommon.
>No disconnects have occurred yet, so I don't know if this noise
>is actually getting into the line or if it's just on the speaker.
>It's still quite disconcerting.  There are two PCI and two ISA
>slots open between the modem and the video card.

>So for now I give up.  Unless the STB/3dfx tech support response
>suggests that this card is defective, and/or proper drivers are
>provided within a day or so, I'll probably trade the card in for
>a reliable Voodoo2 card, and put the Rendition board back in so
>I can still soldier along at 12-30 fps in GPL, and actually be
>able to see, as well as play the other games which don't work
>at all with the Voodoo3 -- so much for "Highest software
>compatibility" (from the front of the box).

>(Note: I was only able to see with the Stealth because I was
>using drivers designed for the Hercules Thriller, a Rendition
>V2200 board, which has gamma controls for Windows 98, whereas
>the Stealth drivers do not.  And the gamma controls for the
>Monster 3D Voodoo card worked also.)

>--

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files
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Dec.

David Mast

Voodoo3 sim shakedown

by David Mast » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00


>You should understand that you did purchase "old" technology (relatively)
>i.e. an out-of-date graphics card.  Return it if you can and wait for
>nVidia's Riva TNT2 in a few weeks.  I wouldn't support 3Dfx as they falsely
>imply this next generation Voodoo3 bull shit.  As well, 3Dfx's attempt to
>monopolize the video card business will end up like Macintosh and their
>rotten Apples.

[note: removed the video ng for this post]

Listen, can we keep the "my card is better" stuff to a minimum here?  Leave it
to the obnoxious ng on video to fight these religious wars.  Yes, the original
post is relevant, and I think many here will be interested in followup to
see if the probs are addressed.  Sounds like an immature drivers issue, maybe
(hopefully for the poster) a quick fix can be found.  But can we try to keep
the posts helpful and informative?

3dfx's days as king-of-the-hill may be numbered, and may even be gone.  But
there is still a real reason to have legacy glide support in SIMS (racing and
flight).  In fact, there are still some coming out with glide-only or glide +
OpenGL support.  If you don't want a 3dfx due to their business strategy, or
a little hyperbole about the V3 (as if the TNT2 is all-new), then don't get
it.  But neither has anything to do with how well it performs in racing sims.

Barney Gumbl

Voodoo3 sim shakedown

by Barney Gumbl » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Me get on internet.  Me post things.

John Lew

Voodoo3 sim shakedown

by John Lew » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00


>You should understand that you did purchase "old" technology (relatively)
>i.e. an out-of-date graphics card.  Return it if you can and wait for
>nVidia's Riva TNT2 in a few weeks.

Release date, please !!!

seems as if you have multiple prejudices......

John Lewis


>>Got a Voodoo3 2000 PCI yesterday.  So far, it scores a big, big zero
>>from the standpoint of a racing and flight sim fan.

>>Firstly, the drivers don't work properly.  My monitor is very dark,
>>so I need to adjust the gamma levels.  However, although the gamma
>>sliders work correctly in adjusting the desktop and Direct 3D games,
>>all the gamma slider for Glide accomplishes is making the 3dfx splash
>>screen brighter or darker -- applications are unaffected, so the two
>>that I've got to work have been unplayably dark for me.

>>Speaking of which, here are the results of what I've run so far:

>>Running on a 75MHz bus with an AMD K6 300MHz processor (not K6-2),
>>40MB of fastpage RAM (gotta get that updated!), Turtle Beach Montego
>>PCI sound card, and, of course, the Voodoo3 2000 PCI video card.

>>   Grand Prix Legends:
>>Works if set to limit texture memory at 2MB.  Frame rate is slower
>>than it was on my Stealth II S220 (4MB Rendition V2100) card, though
>>I can run in higher resolutions.  I have not downloaded the GPL patch
>>for OpenGL support, so can't give a report on whether that works with
>>this card.

>>   Viper Racing (v 1.1):
>>Fails to load in Glide mode, even selecting the "-nointro" switch.
>>Works fine in Direct 3D.  Can run at 800 x 600 with a benchmark of
>>over 38 frames per second.  This is the only improvement I've had
>>over my old setup.  I even reinstalled the whole game trying to get
>>it to work in Glide, but it would not.  My monitor light goes yellow,
>>suggesting no signal.

>>   NASCAR Racing 1999 Edition:
>>Works fine.  No discernable difference over how it operated with
>>my old Monster 3D.  Same frame rates.  The new walls and ads I
>>recently downloaded still repaint themselves as I get near,
>>which really distracts me.  I had hoped that this weird effect
>>was only happening because of the old 4MB Monster 3D not having
>>enough texture memory.  In replays, the replacement ads are always
>>visible, and look terrific.

>>   Pro Pilot 99 (two updates applied):
>>Works.  I did not fly, though.

>>   Need For Speed III - Hot Pursuit:
>>Fails to load in any configuration attempt.

>>   Carmageddon 2 - Carpocalypse Now!:
>>Fails to load in any configuration attempt.

>>   European Air War (latest patches; I forget the version number):
>>Fails to load in any configuration attempt.

>>My modem's speaker crackles with an incredible amount of noise.
>>My phone line is clear, so the noise is coming from the board.
>>Since this didn't happen until installing the Voodoo3, I blame
>>it.  My two attempts at connection to the net have resulted in
>>31.2 connections -- slower than usual, but not terribly uncommon.
>>No disconnects have occurred yet, so I don't know if this noise
>>is actually getting into the line or if it's just on the speaker.
>>It's still quite disconcerting.  There are two PCI and two ISA
>>slots open between the modem and the video card.

>>So for now I give up.  Unless the STB/3dfx tech support response
>>suggests that this card is defective, and/or proper drivers are
>>provided within a day or so, I'll probably trade the card in for
>>a reliable Voodoo2 card, and put the Rendition board back in so
>>I can still soldier along at 12-30 fps in GPL, and actually be
>>able to see, as well as play the other games which don't work
>>at all with the Voodoo3 -- so much for "Highest software
>>compatibility" (from the front of the box).

>>(Note: I was only able to see with the Stealth because I was
>>using drivers designed for the Hercules Thriller, a Rendition
>>V2200 board, which has gamma controls for Windows 98, whereas
>>the Stealth drivers do not.  And the gamma controls for the
>>Monster 3D Voodoo card worked also.)

>>--

>#2159831
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>files
>>http://www.armory.com/~keeper/midi.html - My own MIDI files - Updated 5
>Dec.

Nathan Wo

Voodoo3 sim shakedown

by Nathan Wo » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00


>You should understand that you did purchase "old" technology (relatively)
>i.e. an out-of-date graphics card.  Return it if you can and wait for
>nVidia's Riva TNT2 in a few weeks.  I wouldn't support 3Dfx as they falsely
>imply this next generation Voodoo3 bull shit.  As well, 3Dfx's attempt to
>monopolize the video card business will end up like Macintosh and their
>rotten Apples.

The TNT2 isnt new. it's all the things nVidia promised for TNT but
couldnt deliver (like high clock speeds and Voodoo2 killing
performance)
People will buy different cards for different purposes, if they want
Glide Support, then they choose 3dfx, if they want lots of pretty
colours, they choose TNT. Simple innit?

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dou

Voodoo3 sim shakedown

by dou » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00


>You should understand that you did purchase "old" technology (relatively)
>i.e. an out-of-date graphics card.  Return it if you can and wait for
>nVidia's Riva TNT2 in a few weeks.  I wouldn't support 3Dfx as they falsely
>imply this next generation Voodoo3 bull shit.  As well, 3Dfx's attempt to
>monopolize the video card business will end up like Macintosh and their
>rotten Apples.

No one will take the advice of a moron like you.
Chris Schlette

Voodoo3 sim shakedown

by Chris Schlette » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00

versions

The opposite can be asked of you.  How will the Voodoo3s handle textures
that are over 256x256 and big enough to ***the Voodoo3s proprietary DMA
system?  Not to mention, how are you going to run games designed to be run
in 24 or 32 bit color when the Voodoo3 only supports 16bit output?

Quake2? Quake2 will very soon become moot, since Quake3 will be out and any
Quake afficando would never play old quake when they can play new quake.
And FYI, we all don't know that Voodoo products kicks the daylight out of
anything.  Frankly, the latest D3D games look and play far better than the
glide counterpart.  Not to mention there are tons of games that are being
written for D3D and OpenGL and not Glide.  Shogo, Shogo2 (if it comes out),
***2, KISS3D, Viper Racing, SCGT, Unreal:Tournament, Quake3, etc.

Ever damn company makes stupid ass press and marketing claims, even your
vaunted 3dfx.  TNT gave similiar benchmarkets to a single Voodoo2 which is
quite good.  The TNT2 refined the product and reduced it down to the .25
micron technology and now its equivalent of a Voodoo3 and can run 32bit w/o
much fps decrease at 1024x768 or under.  Heck, it has less of a fps decrease
in 16bit over the 1024x768 resolutions than a Voodoo3 which drops quite
sharply.

Andreas Ries

Voodoo3 sim shakedown

by Andreas Ries » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00


> ummm also wasnt the TNT supposed to be a Voodoo2 killer -lol- can you really
> trust a company like NVIDIA ever again after they made that claim?

How youll define "killer"? My Viper 550 has better image quality and is as
fast as or faster then my Voodoo 2 (Let's exclude games without hardware support).
I can't understand people buying boards that are out for one day and paying
a lot of money for them. Why couldn't they wait until rival products will
be released short time later and compare them. You can trust the results. BTW
the prices will drop this time.
Ok, i'm think they must have the newest technology immediately to gain something
i can't imagine.

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X

Voodoo3 sim shakedown

by X » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00



>>You should understand that you did purchase "old" technology (relatively)
>>i.e. an out-of-date graphics card.  Return it if you can and wait for
>>nVidia's Riva TNT2 in a few weeks.  I wouldn't support 3Dfx as they
falsely
>>imply this next generation Voodoo3 bull shit.  As well, 3Dfx's attempt to
>>monopolize the video card business will end up like Macintosh and their
>>rotten Apples.

>No one will take the advice of a moron like you.

I would.

Pasha
I write the songs, that make the young girls cry. (uncle)


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