I don't play Quake.
...sorry...4 (not including the sorry, and the number 4..oh shit! there I go
with more words...count them up, and add the name...)
Pasha (interactive post, more fun than minesweeper...ooops! sorry for the
extra words..)
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of government.
Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from
some farcical aquatic ceremony."
Go #43 and #44!
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>>You should understand that you did purchase "old" technology (relatively)
>>i.e. an out-of-date graphics card. Return it if you can and wait for
>>nVidia's Riva TNT2 in a few weeks. I wouldn't support 3Dfx as they
falsely
>>imply this next generation Voodoo3 bull shit. As well, 3Dfx's attempt to
>>monopolize the video card business will end up like Macintosh and their
>>rotten Apples.
>The TNT2 isnt new. it's all the things nVidia promised for TNT but
>couldnt deliver (like high clock speeds and Voodoo2 killing
>performance)
>People will buy different cards for different purposes, if they want
>Glide Support, then they choose 3dfx, if they want lots of pretty
>colours, they choose TNT. Simple innit?
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> No, no no Nathan, it's not a graphics card, it's RELIGION ! :-)
Thou shalt wait for OpenGL patches to play games.
Thou shalt wait for the card to actually walk on water before praising it.
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Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from
some farcical aquatic ceremony."
Go #43 and #44!
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>> No, no no Nathan, it's not a graphics card, it's RELIGION ! :-)
>Thou shalt not render in less than 32-bit color.
>Thou shalt allow large textures.
>Thou shalt use thine AGP bus to its fullest extent.
Yes, I've read reviews on the TNT2 and Voodoo3. I decided on V3 for now.
Yes, I know that you can buy stuff cheaper from some online retailers. I
decided I like buying with cash from the local Best Buy. Yes, I've read a
lot of your posts lately, and I've decided that you think you know
EVERYTHING and must educate the rest of us. I'm not claiming the V3 is the
last video card I need to buy, or the best option for everyone, but it is a
VERY good option for a lot of people. The TNT2 isn't doing anyone any good
NOW, in a month or two it should be out, and may be good for YOU, but NOT
EVERYONE.
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>The opposite can be asked of you. How will the Voodoo3s handle textures
>that are over 256x256 and big enough to ***the Voodoo3s proprietary DMA
>system? Not to mention, how are you going to run games designed to be run
>in 24 or 32 bit color when the Voodoo3 only supports 16bit output?
>Quake2? Quake2 will very soon become moot, since Quake3 will be out and any
>Quake afficando would never play old quake when they can play new quake.
>And FYI, we all don't know that Voodoo products kicks the daylight out of
>anything. Frankly, the latest D3D games look and play far better than the
>glide counterpart. Not to mention there are tons of games that are being
>written for D3D and OpenGL and not Glide. Shogo, Shogo2 (if it comes out),
>***2, KISS3D, Viper Racing, SCGT, Unreal:Tournament, Quake3, etc.
>> ummm also wasnt the TNT supposed to be a Voodoo2 killer -lol- can you
>really
>> trust a company like NVIDIA ever again after they made that claim?
>Ever damn company makes stupid ass press and marketing claims, even your
>vaunted 3dfx. TNT gave similiar benchmarkets to a single Voodoo2 which is
>quite good. The TNT2 refined the product and reduced it down to the .25
>micron technology and now its equivalent of a Voodoo3 and can run 32bit w/o
>much fps decrease at 1024x768 or under. Heck, it has less of a fps
decrease
>in 16bit over the 1024x768 resolutions than a Voodoo3 which drops quite
>sharply.
versions
Oh yeah...you forgot that the V2, and V3 cards look real bad on bigger
monitors,
not only becouse of the lavk of 32bit rendering, but the bad picture quality
and,
lifeless colors.
Bullshit, any game that uses bigger texures will kill your FPS on V3.
And don`t tell me about x4 AGP, V3 don`t even supports x2 AGP texturing !
Quake3 beta is out for quite a long time, and TNT runs it a LOT better then
V2SLI !
Sure we do !
> Thou shalt play Tribes in software mode.
> Thou shalt wait for OpenGL patches to play games.
> Thou shalt wait for the card to actually walk on water before praising it.
> >Thou shalt not render in less than 32-bit color.
> >Thou shalt allow large textures.
> >Thou shalt use thine AGP bus to its fullest extent.
Thou shalt believe all the marketing hype
Thou shalt ignore that the marketing hype the last 2 times proved to be
false
Thou shalt not stray from the manafacturers product line until they finally
get it right
Thou shalt ignore that most of the touted features aren't used now and talk
about future games
Thou shalt assume that anyone who doesn't believe the hype before there is a
shipping card is blindly loyal to the competition.
Thou woulds't be wrong to believe that we don't want the best card and best
performance regardless of manafacturer
Thou woulds't be ignoring that none of these cards are going to be the best
out there in 6 months, as they are evolutionary products
Thou shalt post frame rate numbers that show either of the cards running at
less than acceptable framerates
Thou shalt admit that both are nice cards, with strengths and weaknesses
that make one or the other better for some and not for others.
--
Ken's Sig 2.01
"Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system
of government.
Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from
some farcical aquatic ceremony."
Go #43 and #44!
volksy (at) geocities (dot) com
volksy (at) yahoo (dot) com
>> Thou shalt play Tribes in software mode.
>> Thou shalt wait for OpenGL patches to play games.
>> Thou shalt wait for the card to actually walk on water before praising
it.
>> >Thou shalt not render in less than 32-bit color.
>> >Thou shalt allow large textures.
>> >Thou shalt use thine AGP bus to its fullest extent.
>Thou shalt grow irate when thine manufacturers methods are questioned.
>Thou shalt not stray from thine manufacturers product line.
>Thou shalt not run thine games at less-than-acceptable framerates.
>Thous shalt ignore any abilities of other cards except those which are
>surpassed by thine manufacturers.
Before slamming a card make sure you are better informed!
The VooDoo3 4000 which will be out later this year WILL support
AGP 4x.
How do you know the TnT2 is better as the VooDoo3?
Have you tested the TNT2?? Sure every manufactorer
can come up with a line of nice futures of which most
are completly not understandable for most of us.
I have seen enough bullshit like:
"Quake3 beta is out for quite a long time, and TNT runs
it a LOT better then V2SLI" !
"I ASSURE you that the glide version runs WAY
better just as usual in most games and for Quake2"
Sure with one game the VooDoo3 will be the better card
with another game the TNT2 will be...
If you like playing Grand Prix Legends your TNT2 will be
a bit useless unless you want to settle with the buggy
OpenGL patch.
So stop this no-sense discussion about which card is better
You cannot compare them because the TNT2 is not out yet.
Who says the things which nVIDIA lists really will be on the
final card?
Which card is better??
That fully depends on which games you want to play!
As I said on one game the V3 could be better whille on
the other the TnT2 is better..
Personally I think a couple of TnT owners make themself look
like complete morrons by comparing something with another
thing which doesn't excist yet (not yet for sale).
It's like comparing your car to a car which you have never
seen. From a list you see it has a V6 engine but will
this engine run smooth? How much fuel will it use?
Same thing with the VooDoo3 and the TnT2....
Amen!
Groeten/Regards,
____________________________________________
Sjon "MiXer" Stigter
____________________________________________
"I think motor racing should be a dangerous sport
because that's what makes it different from cricket
or tennis".
- Stirling Moss
____________________________________________
>Thou shalt believe all the marketing hype
>Thou shalt ignore that the marketing hype the last 2 times proved to be
>false
>Thou shalt not stray from the manafacturers product line until they finally
>get it right
>Thou shalt ignore that most of the touted features aren't used now and talk
>about future games
>Thou shalt assume that anyone who doesn't believe the hype before there is
a
>shipping card is blindly loyal to the competition.
>Thou woulds't be wrong to believe that we don't want the best card and best
>performance regardless of manafacturer
>Thou woulds't be ignoring that none of these cards are going to be the best
>out there in 6 months, as they are evolutionary products
>Thou shalt post frame rate numbers that show either of the cards running at
>less than acceptable framerates
>Thou shalt admit that both are nice cards, with strengths and weaknesses
>that make one or the other better for some and not for others.
>--
>Ken's Sig 2.01
>"Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system
>of government.
> Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from
>some farcical aquatic ceremony."
>Go #43 and #44!
>volksy (at) geocities (dot) com
>volksy (at) yahoo (dot) com
>>> Thou shalt play Tribes in software mode.
>>> Thou shalt wait for OpenGL patches to play games.
>>> Thou shalt wait for the card to actually walk on water before praising
>it.
>>> >Thou shalt not render in less than 32-bit color.
>>> >Thou shalt allow large textures.
>>> >Thou shalt use thine AGP bus to its fullest extent.
>>Thou shalt grow irate when thine manufacturers methods are questioned.
>>Thou shalt not stray from thine manufacturers product line.
>>Thou shalt not run thine games at less-than-acceptable framerates.
>>Thous shalt ignore any abilities of other cards except those which are
>>surpassed by thine manufacturers.
Jesus wept.
Pasha
>SS
-RyanH.
=o|
Pasha (you spelled moron wrong)
> >Refer back to the walking on water part.....
> >Thou shalt believe all the marketing hype
> >Thou shalt ignore that the marketing hype the last 2 times proved to be
> >false
> >Thou shalt not stray from the manafacturers product line until they finally
> >get it right
> >Thou shalt ignore that most of the touted features aren't used now and talk
> >about future games
> >Thou shalt assume that anyone who doesn't believe the hype before there is
> a
> >shipping card is blindly loyal to the competition.
> >Thou woulds't be wrong to believe that we don't want the best card and best
> >performance regardless of manafacturer
> >Thou woulds't be ignoring that none of these cards are going to be the best
> >out there in 6 months, as they are evolutionary products
> >Thou shalt post frame rate numbers that show either of the cards running at
> >less than acceptable framerates
> >Thou shalt admit that both are nice cards, with strengths and weaknesses
> >that make one or the other better for some and not for others.
> =o(
> Jesus wept.
> Pasha
P.S. I kicked Jesus' ***in Deathmatch Quake2! He tried to blame the
phone lines from heaven!
Now, list EVERY GAME/SIM that uses 16 bit.
Get the point?
By the time 32 bit SIM/GAMES are the rage, there will be
"NEWER" Video Cards out. Jumping the gun in any tech
related piece of hardware is a foolish thing to do. It just
pisses off the consumer when they have to upgrade every
2 months to keep up, not to mention the companies that
have to re-tool to keep up also. So, in retrospect, your full
of BS.
:o)
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> > and uh how exactly will you run glide only games with that TNT2? and
dont
> > tell me that Tribes and other glide games that have "added" opengl
supprt
> > run just as well on a TNT because before I got my Voodoo3 3000 I had a
TNT
> > and 2 Voodoo2 SLi and tried tribes in opengl mode - I ASSURE you that
the
> > glide version runs WAY better just as usual in most games and for Quake2
> we
> > all KNOW that any Voodoo product kicks the daylights out of opengl
> versions
> Oh yeah...you forgot that the V2, and V3 cards look real bad on bigger
> monitors,
> not only becouse of the lavk of 32bit rendering, but the bad picture
quality
> and,
> lifeless colors.
> > I am not saying the TNT2 wont be a good card as I was considering
getting
> > one of those but since I sold my TNT and 2 Voodoo2's and got the Voodoo3
> > 3000 for free basically I will wait for the Voodoo4 with all those
lovely
> 32
> > bit features etc and 4xagp support when the actual motherboard that
INTEL
> > says wont even be out before LATE SEPT is out - and QuakeIII isnt even
> near
> > being released yet so yes all you TNT2 people will have a card that
> supports
> > 32bit color and that great AGP4x but WONT EVEN HAVE A MOTHERBOARD THAT
> USES
> > IT - while the V3 people can make ANY game scream including all the
glide
> > only ones
> Bullshit, any game that uses bigger texures will kill your FPS on V3.
> And don`t tell me about x4 AGP, V3 don`t even supports x2 AGP texturing !
> Quake3 beta is out for quite a long time, and TNT runs it a LOT better
then
> V2SLI !
> > ummm also wasnt the TNT supposed to be a Voodoo2 killer -lol- can you
> really
> > trust a company like NVIDIA ever again after they made that claim?
> Sure we do !
:)
> Now, list EVERY GAME/SIM that uses 16 bit.
> Get the point?
> By the time 32 bit SIM/GAMES are the rage, there will be
> "NEWER" Video Cards out. Jumping the gun in any tech
> related piece of hardware is a foolish thing to do. It just
> pisses off the consumer when they have to upgrade every
> 2 months to keep up, not to mention the companies that
> have to re-tool to keep up also. So, in retrospect, your full
> of BS.
> :o)
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> *** e.o.f. ***
> > > and uh how exactly will you run glide only games with that TNT2? and
> dont
> > > tell me that Tribes and other glide games that have "added" opengl
> supprt
> > > run just as well on a TNT because before I got my Voodoo3 3000 I had a
> TNT
> > > and 2 Voodoo2 SLi and tried tribes in opengl mode - I ASSURE you that
> the
> > > glide version runs WAY better just as usual in most games and for
Quake2
> > we
> > > all KNOW that any Voodoo product kicks the daylights out of opengl
> > versions
> > Oh yeah...you forgot that the V2, and V3 cards look real bad on bigger
> > monitors,
> > not only becouse of the lavk of 32bit rendering, but the bad picture
> quality
> > and,
> > lifeless colors.
> > > I am not saying the TNT2 wont be a good card as I was considering
> getting
> > > one of those but since I sold my TNT and 2 Voodoo2's and got the
Voodoo3
> > > 3000 for free basically I will wait for the Voodoo4 with all those
> lovely
> > 32
> > > bit features etc and 4xagp support when the actual motherboard that
> INTEL
> > > says wont even be out before LATE SEPT is out - and QuakeIII isnt even
> > near
> > > being released yet so yes all you TNT2 people will have a card that
> > supports
> > > 32bit color and that great AGP4x but WONT EVEN HAVE A MOTHERBOARD THAT
> > USES
> > > IT - while the V3 people can make ANY game scream including all the
> glide
> > > only ones
> > Bullshit, any game that uses bigger texures will kill your FPS on V3.
> > And don`t tell me about x4 AGP, V3 don`t even supports x2 AGP texturing
!
> > Quake3 beta is out for quite a long time, and TNT runs it a LOT better
> then
> > V2SLI !
> > > ummm also wasnt the TNT supposed to be a Voodoo2 killer -lol- can you
> > really
> > > trust a company like NVIDIA ever again after they made that claim?
> > Sure we do !
