I wonder if he realises what he just said. :)
I wonder if he realises what he just said. :)
One sweeping format and fresh install of win98 solved ALL my problems.
Try it. And whatever you are griping in terms of speed/image quality
will improve, especially speed.
AD -v3 200 owner-
I'll be exchanging it for V3 3000 as soon as I see them on the
shelves. I love 30 day exchange policy.
Who cares? They don't even have the Voodoo3 3500 out yet? Later this year
the next gen product by Nvidia will be out. All you are talking about is
vaporware at this point. TNT2 and Voodoo3 2000/3000 are out, or nearly out.
Read the web. Ever review as the TNT2 and Voodoo3 neck and neck, one better
in one game, the other better in another. Thats all until you look at 24
and 32 bit color where the Voodoo3 can't go. And then you look at
resolutions higher than 1024x768 and the TNT2 still does a better job at
16bit, as the Voodoo3 drops quite sharply off. Check out
www.sharkyextreme.com, www.tomshardware.com, www.anandtech.com and probably
some others I can't think of off the top of my head.
Actually its been out quite awhile. It does NOT run on V2SLI easily, but
runs very very nice on a TNT based card.
Nope. Too bad there is NO glide version of Quake2, it uses OpenGL, period.
And SCGT looks better in D3D, so does SBK to name at least two. And the TNT
definetly beats the Voodoo2s out when running D3D games such as Viper
Racing, Shogo, ***2, etc.
Thats the best thing you said.
Yes, why I will keep both my Voodoo2s for now.
Nope, they aren't. However, beta cards have been shipped and shown off by
companies such as Diamond to reliable hardware websites.
Technically? The TNT2.
You did a pretty good job of doing exactly what you say others are dong.
And before you even think it, no I do NOT own a TNT.
> I want you to list EVERY Sim/GAME that uses 32 bit.
> Now, list EVERY GAME/SIM that uses 16 bit.
> Get the point?
> By the time 32 bit SIM/GAMES are the rage, there will be
> "NEWER" Video Cards out. Jumping the gun in any tech
> related piece of hardware is a foolish thing to do. It just
> pisses off the consumer when they have to upgrade every
> 2 months to keep up, not to mention the companies that
> have to re-tool to keep up also. So, in retrospect, your full
> of BS.
> :o)
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> > > and uh how exactly will you run glide only games with that TNT2? and
> dont
> > > tell me that Tribes and other glide games that have "added" opengl
> supprt
> > > run just as well on a TNT because before I got my Voodoo3 3000 I had a
> TNT
> > > and 2 Voodoo2 SLi and tried tribes in opengl mode - I ASSURE you that
> the
> > > glide version runs WAY better just as usual in most games and for Quake2
> > we
> > > all KNOW that any Voodoo product kicks the daylights out of opengl
> > versions
> > Oh yeah...you forgot that the V2, and V3 cards look real bad on bigger
> > monitors,
> > not only becouse of the lavk of 32bit rendering, but the bad picture
> quality
> > and,
> > lifeless colors.
> > > I am not saying the TNT2 wont be a good card as I was considering
> getting
> > > one of those but since I sold my TNT and 2 Voodoo2's and got the Voodoo3
> > > 3000 for free basically I will wait for the Voodoo4 with all those
> lovely
> > 32
> > > bit features etc and 4xagp support when the actual motherboard that
> INTEL
> > > says wont even be out before LATE SEPT is out - and QuakeIII isnt even
> > near
> > > being released yet so yes all you TNT2 people will have a card that
> > supports
> > > 32bit color and that great AGP4x but WONT EVEN HAVE A MOTHERBOARD THAT
> > USES
> > > IT - while the V3 people can make ANY game scream including all the
> glide
> > > only ones
> > Bullshit, any game that uses bigger texures will kill your FPS on V3.
> > And don`t tell me about x4 AGP, V3 don`t even supports x2 AGP texturing !
> > Quake3 beta is out for quite a long time, and TNT runs it a LOT better
> then
> > V2SLI !
> > > ummm also wasnt the TNT supposed to be a Voodoo2 killer -lol- can you
> > really
> > > trust a company like NVIDIA ever again after they made that claim?
> > Sure we do !
Considering the V3 2000 is out and under $120 in most places, has the same ram
as the V3 3000 and apparently is quite easily overclockable to 166 - who's
paying a lot of money here?
Oh. Or "nearly out". No, the 2000/300 are OUT. The TNT2 is *not*.
And you make a comment about vapourware, but mention Nvidia's "next gen"
product, which is nothing more than a press release.
Yes. And then the TNT2 falls behind the V3. 24-bit is hardly free on the TNT2.
Uh, no it doesn't.
> www.sharkyextreme.com,
Did. With the exception of bizarre Incoming results, the V3 wins.
> >Refer back to the walking on water part.....
> >Thou shalt believe all the marketing hype
> >Thou shalt ignore that the marketing hype the last 2 times proved to be
> >false
> >Thou shalt not stray from the manafacturers product line until they finally
> >get it right
> >Thou shalt ignore that most of the touted features aren't used now and talk
> >about future games
> >Thou shalt assume that anyone who doesn't believe the hype before there is
> a
> >shipping card is blindly loyal to the competition.
> >Thou woulds't be wrong to believe that we don't want the best card and best
> >performance regardless of manafacturer
> >Thou woulds't be ignoring that none of these cards are going to be the best
> >out there in 6 months, as they are evolutionary products
> >Thou shalt post frame rate numbers that show either of the cards running at
> >less than acceptable framerates
> >Thou shalt admit that both are nice cards, with strengths and weaknesses
> >that make one or the other better for some and not for others.
> =o(
> Jesus wept.
> Pasha
P.S. I kicked Jesus' ***in Deathmatch Quake2! He tried to blame the
phone lines from heaven!
:)
> Now, list EVERY GAME/SIM that uses 16 bit.
> Get the point?
> By the time 32 bit SIM/GAMES are the rage, there will be
> "NEWER" Video Cards out. Jumping the gun in any tech
> related piece of hardware is a foolish thing to do. It just
> pisses off the consumer when they have to upgrade every
> 2 months to keep up, not to mention the companies that
> have to re-tool to keep up also. So, in retrospect, your full
> of BS.
> :o)
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> *** e.o.f. ***
> > > and uh how exactly will you run glide only games with that TNT2? and
> dont
> > > tell me that Tribes and other glide games that have "added" opengl
> supprt
> > > run just as well on a TNT because before I got my Voodoo3 3000 I had a
> TNT
> > > and 2 Voodoo2 SLi and tried tribes in opengl mode - I ASSURE you that
> the
> > > glide version runs WAY better just as usual in most games and for
Quake2
> > we
> > > all KNOW that any Voodoo product kicks the daylights out of opengl
> > versions
> > Oh yeah...you forgot that the V2, and V3 cards look real bad on bigger
> > monitors,
> > not only becouse of the lavk of 32bit rendering, but the bad picture
> quality
> > and,
> > lifeless colors.
> > > I am not saying the TNT2 wont be a good card as I was considering
> getting
> > > one of those but since I sold my TNT and 2 Voodoo2's and got the
Voodoo3
> > > 3000 for free basically I will wait for the Voodoo4 with all those
> lovely
> > 32
> > > bit features etc and 4xagp support when the actual motherboard that
> INTEL
> > > says wont even be out before LATE SEPT is out - and QuakeIII isnt even
> > near
> > > being released yet so yes all you TNT2 people will have a card that
> > supports
> > > 32bit color and that great AGP4x but WONT EVEN HAVE A MOTHERBOARD THAT
> > USES
> > > IT - while the V3 people can make ANY game scream including all the
> glide
> > > only ones
> > Bullshit, any game that uses bigger texures will kill your FPS on V3.
> > And don`t tell me about x4 AGP, V3 don`t even supports x2 AGP texturing
!
> > Quake3 beta is out for quite a long time, and TNT runs it a LOT better
> then
> > V2SLI !
> > > ummm also wasnt the TNT supposed to be a Voodoo2 killer -lol- can you
> > really
> > > trust a company like NVIDIA ever again after they made that claim?
> > Sure we do !
*** I hate Karma.
"You're". :)
Sorry, but I can't purchase your "pre-ordered" TNT2 yet. I can for a V3.
The point is, you can indeed wait for a TNT2 because of its "enhanced feature
set". Then in less than 6 months, newer cards will be out which significantly
superior feature sets - perhaps even from Nvidia itself. This generation of
cards is going to have a *very* short lifespan, possibly only equalled by the
very first generation of 3D hardware.
And tell me a game that truly benefits from it. As cards get faster, AGP
becomes *less* relevant. When you're delivering over 3 gigs/sec in bandwidth,
you don't think you'll see a huge hit if you start pulling textures out through
AGP at 350megs a second? There's a reason so few games actually use AGP
texturing - it simply *cripples* performance.
If you consider Tribes a worthless game, fine. Noticed how you actually didn't
mention any titles.
What does "quality textures" have to do with the API? In fact, due to the TNT's
poor texture transfer speed, for the GL Version of Unreal Epic has had to reduce
the texture quality in the distance and remove some animated textures as
compared to the Glide version.
An unfair example perhaps, considering that Unreal was tuned for Glide from the
outset. But a current example nonetheless.
No, I "upgrade" for a better card. I have a Matrox and V2 now. I want a
single card that doesn't require me to wait for buggy OpenGL/Direct3D patches.
I want faster 2D. I want higher resolutions. I want to run all the games in my
software library. Considering any dithering 16-bit implies is reduced at the
high resolutions I'll be using the V3 at, and considering the speed hit, 24-bit
color is simply not that attractive for me right now.
The features the TNT2 provides aren't enough for me at this point to "wait" for
it. The features of the NV10 - along with its competitors - just might be. The
TNT2 does indeed have a superior feature set than the V3. For *my* needs, with
the current software base, it's just not compelling. If you don't care about
any Glide titles and can wait, then fine! No one is saying your purchase is
idiotic at all. However, you seem to be saying that for any V3 purchasers.
Perhaps it's just a question of maturity.
You ability to regurgitate Tom's broken english is indeed impressive.
Considering a V3 2000 goes for under $120 and can easily be overclocked past
160mhz, I'd say it offers quite a bit of bang for the buck.
> > > Those cards are not vaporware. These cards are being
> > > reviewed and soon will de-throne the tired old king.
> > You ability to regurgitate Tom's broken english is indeed impressive.
> *** I hate Karma.
> "You're". :)
YOUR, DAMMIT. YOUR!!!!
For some reason, I think my insult has lost some its bite by now.
So, what I'm saying is, what the *** are you talking about??????????
V3 is using 3 year old technology (V1).
My eyes say - GIVE ME SOMETHING BETTER!
--
Mike
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> > And, still less features then my pre-ordered TnT2!!
> Sorry, but I can't purchase your "pre-ordered" TNT2 yet. I can for a V3.
> The point is, you can indeed wait for a TNT2 because of its "enhanced
feature
> set". Then in less than 6 months, newer cards will be out which
significantly
> superior feature sets - perhaps even from Nvidia itself. This generation
of
> cards is going to have a *very* short lifespan, possibly only equalled by
the
> very first generation of 3D hardware.
> > three has less features then the rest you cite. No AGP?? Come on--that
is
> > a real poor design. Intel has been on the market with this for almost a
> > year or more.
> And tell me a game that truly benefits from it. As cards get faster, AGP
> becomes *less* relevant. When you're delivering over 3 gigs/sec in
bandwidth,
> you don't think you'll see a huge hit if you start pulling textures out
through
> AGP at 350megs a second? There's a reason so few games actually use AGP
> texturing - it simply *cripples* performance.
> >I could care
> > less about some of those Glide only games. I am new to this ***
thing
> > and I find most of those titles worthless.
> If you consider Tribes a worthless game, fine. Noticed how you actually
didn't
> mention any titles.
> >I want quality games and those
> > new titles on the shelves and hitting the stores soon are using an open
API
> > and use quality textures.
> What does "quality textures" have to do with the API? In fact, due to the
TNT's
> poor texture transfer speed, for the GL Version of Unreal Epic has had to
reduce
> the texture quality in the distance and remove some animated textures as
> compared to the Glide version.
> An unfair example perhaps, considering that Unreal was tuned for Glide
from the
> outset. But a current example nonetheless.
> >Me thinks you have taken the step backwards when
> > it comes to this argument!! But, you must like upgrading just for the
sake
> > of holding on to a card that offers less then the competition will be in
the
> > next month, or two.
> No, I "upgrade" for a better card. I have a Matrox and V2 now. I want a
> single card that doesn't require me to wait for buggy OpenGL/Direct3D
patches.
> I want faster 2D. I want higher resolutions. I want to run all the games
in my
> software library. Considering any dithering 16-bit implies is reduced at
the
> high resolutions I'll be using the V3 at, and considering the speed hit,
24-bit
> color is simply not that attractive for me right now.
> The features the TNT2 provides aren't enough for me at this point to
"wait" for
> it. The features of the NV10 - along with its competitors - just might
be. The
> TNT2 does indeed have a superior feature set than the V3. For *my* needs,
with
> the current software base, it's just not compelling. If you don't care
about
> any Glide titles and can wait, then fine! No one is saying your purchase
is
> idiotic at all. However, you seem to be saying that for any V3
purchasers.
> Perhaps it's just a question of maturity.
> > Those cards are not vaporware. These cards are being
> > reviewed and soon will de-throne the tired old king.
> You ability to regurgitate Tom's broken english is indeed impressive.
> > But in fairness, you
> > have the right to waste your money. I value the most bang for the
buck!!
> Considering a V3 2000 goes for under $120 and can easily be overclocked
past
> 160mhz, I'd say it offers quite a bit of bang for the buck.
The V3 2000 and 3000 are out now. Since when is the TNT2 "Ultra" by Diamond (at
a clockspeed Diamond has not even announced yet) the *only* TNT2 variant?
Funny, I was thinking the same thing.
Just remember to wait for the games to actually show it.
> *** I hate Karma.
> "You're". :)
Brandon Bergenroth
>> ummm also wasnt the TNT supposed to be a Voodoo2 killer -lol- can you really
>> trust a company like NVIDIA ever again after they made that claim?
>How youll define "killer"? My Viper 550 has better image quality and is as
>fast as or faster then my Voodoo 2 (Let's exclude games without hardware support).
>I can't understand people buying boards that are out for one day and paying
>a lot of money for them. Why couldn't they wait until rival products will
>be released short time later and compare them. You can trust the results. BTW
>the prices will drop this time.
>Ok, i'm think they must have the newest technology immediately to gain something
>i can't imagine.
Got a release date for TNT2 yet ???
Every day that passes is a day when somebody will buy a V3 and will
not buy a TNT2 unless they have money to burn....
John Lewis