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OMG: Isle of Man!

Malc

OMG: Isle of Man!

by Malc » Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:00:24


Of course not. I think you need to check back to see what this thread is
about.

Here I'll help you:

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Not without Jim's permission, his readme is pretty specific about that.

Malc.

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HTH, Malc.

Steve Smit

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by Steve Smit » Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:34:08

Pffff! A kiddy-car event, little more exciting than The Great Race, i.e.,
okay if you like stately touring in legally-licensed street iron.







Steve Smit

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by Steve Smit » Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:40:23

Exactly - it's like a higher-speed Nurburgring...with pubs.


> On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:31:37 GMT, "Steve Smith"

> >Yeah, the seascape coming down into Douglas is incredible!  Rarely have
> >there been any ocean views in GPL (E. London is the only example I can
think
> >of, altho there have been others in Papy sims: Detroit, Cleveland,
Surfers).
> >It looks like it took a thousand monks a thousand years to finish all the
> >details.  Entire villages!  It reminds me of the scenery in Mobil 1 Rally
> >Championship.  The textures!  The colors!  It's the polar opposite of
what
> >Alison Hine once coldly dismissed as "tree wallpaper" in some lame
fantasy
> >track.  What a lovely romp!  I don't think there's ever been as
magnificent
> >a track for GPL...including the original 11.

> The beauty of the track goes without saying.

> It's a pain in the *ss to drive tho (and I mean that in the
> best possible way!) because oftentimes you are having to brake
> while in a turn to make the next (slower) corner, and for someone
> hopeless like me I'm constantly spinning out because of how
> braking affects a car which is turning.  For the aliens out there
> this certainly isn't a problem...

> JD

Joachim Trens

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by Joachim Trens » Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:06:25

John, why are you saying that no add-on tracks exceed 5 miles when the
Nurburgring is 14.16 miles long? Sorry, just trying to understand.

Achim


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Joachim Trens

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by Joachim Trens » Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:17:34

Hi Malc,

I appreciate your help <g> but maybe you need to read the thread more
thoroughly yourself ;-) as you'll then find that I'm neither replying to
Pete's nor to your statement, but to a little statement from Bruce, which
went like this:

Maybe I misunderstood Bruce, but I wanted to point out that Jim's only said
he won't do it himself, and that any conversions made by others need his
prior consent. I.e., he might one day give his permission to someone else,
when someone asks.

All my replies regarding that topic are in that little sub-branch of this
thread.

Achim




> > Doesn't mean it's never gonna be converted either, right? ;-)

> Of course not. I think you need to check back to see what this thread is
> about.

> Here I'll help you:

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> >     Steve, is this going to be converted over to N2003?

> Not without Jim's permission, his readme is pretty specific about that.

> Malc.

> ______________________

> HTH, Malc.

Ruud Dingeman

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by Ruud Dingeman » Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:38:49


> to a certain track or track type. Rather, it's the drivers who are unsuited
> to the cars, or who don't have real racing *** in their veins, because in
> all modesty, if you're a racer, you take the vehicle you can get hold of,
> make the best of it and _race_ against whoever will give you a race :-)

Hear hear! Now, take that Solex moped out and let's have a hillclimb!   ;)

Yeah well Achim, it has to be said of course, that modern-day Nascar
cars are for wussies compared to 1967's open-wheeled no-grip death
rockets, ok?    ;)

Regards, Rudy
(GPLRank -0.89)

Ruud Dingeman

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by Ruud Dingeman » Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:49:16


> But when it comes to racing sims, I LOVE the past, totally HATE the present.
> SO I don't give a rat's arse if "GPL 2" never sees the light of day.

Ummm... Not quite sure I grasp this comment, at least in the 'reasons
why'-department.

I'm deeply into GPL as well, and am much less 'into' Nascar (being
European, although I do have Nascar 4), but if an N2003 mod yields an
even better GPL-type sim since basically it's an updated GPL physics
model, what's there to hate about that, really?

Just wonderin'...

Besides, with tracks like Interlagos, Charade & Man just released for
GPL, can't say I resent the present-day sim world, mate!

Reards, Rudy
(GPLRank -0.89)

Ruud Dingeman

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by Ruud Dingeman » Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:51:59


> Carrera Panamericana!  Gran Premio de Argentina!  Redex Round Australia
> Rally!  Cannonball Baker Sea-to-Shining-Sea Memorial Trophy Dash!

Cannonball Run, Smokey & the Bandit, Dukes of Hazzard and the Boonta
Classic!

Regards, Ruud

Ruud Dingeman

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by Ruud Dingeman » Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:02:39


> Exactly - it's like a higher-speed Nurburgring...with pubs.

Hmmm, if I were the proprietors of said establishments I'd be a little
worried then -

"Uh oh, here come the GPL'ers, remember what they did to the little
french fries bar at Masta?"

Regards, Rudy
(GPLRank -0.89)

Gerry Aitke

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by Gerry Aitke » Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:16:37


> Or maybe he didn't want it commercialised, bastardised and any other "-ised"
> that you care to insert.

> If anyone is a "***" (which down here is slang for the female sex organ),
> I'd say that you're exhibiting a few traits with that post.

His Lordship is generally accepted to be a *** by the locals. Are the
two of you related?

He didn't want the GPL track released because it was free, and he
wouldn't make any money (like he hasn't got enough!) out of it.

Joachim Trens

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by Joachim Trens » Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:49:32

Ruud, even the original N2k3 with the converted road circuits is a better
GPL, as the physics really are what GPL2 could have been. Not to mention
that graphics and sound have also been improved since GPL.

Achim


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Joachim Trens

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by Joachim Trens » Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:47:10

Wot, you drive a VeloSolex and call _me_ a wussie? <g>

Achim



> > to a certain track or track type. Rather, it's the drivers who are
unsuited
> > to the cars, or who don't have real racing *** in their veins, because
in
> > all modesty, if you're a racer, you take the vehicle you can get hold
of,
> > make the best of it and _race_ against whoever will give you a race :-)

> Hear hear! Now, take that Solex moped out and let's have a hillclimb!   ;)

> > P.s.: CP is one of the circuits I'm dreaming of getting converted to
N2k3,
> > the Nascars are a _blast_ at Monaco, and the Nascar RC league I'm
driving in
> > has - at least in its top division - a lot less carnage than most GPL
> > leagues :-)

> Yeah well Achim, it has to be said of course, that modern-day Nascar
> cars are for wussies compared to 1967's open-wheeled no-grip death
> rockets, ok?    ;)

> Regards, Rudy
> (GPLRank -0.89)

Malc

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by Malc » Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:39:27


I certainly wouldn't disagree, that point is where Bruce & I differ. Sorry
for coming down so *** you :-(

There are literally hundreds of great tracks for gpl, it annoys me somewhat
that there seems to be so much chat about converting the one (to my
knowledge) track where the maker has specifically put their opinion across
on the matter.

Malc.

Mar

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by Mar » Thu, 17 Jul 2003 18:18:17


> Sad?
> Hmmm.....maybe, Mark.
> But then so would be the situation of someone "raping" the creation of one
> simply to satisfy their own desires, I s'pose.

But the creation wouldn't be changed in the slightest.  It's the
chance to drive different cars on the same track.  The track is the
creation.  I have no idea about the motivations of the creator, or
even if he is against other sims making use of his track, but I sure
as hell know that if *I* had spend hours/days/months on creating a
great track, I'd want to drive it in anything I could get my hands on.

Still not sure about how driving a different car on an unchanged track
can be considered:
A - A bastardisation (the track is not changed)
B - Anything other than positive.  As others have posted, the N2K3
physics can bring GPL tracks to life in a way not possible with GPL
itself.

To set out my stall, then.  I have little artistic ability but I do
have enthusiasm and have contributed, albeit in a very small way, to
the sim-racing world by helping run a couple of leagues (costs me time
*and* money) and painting cars for members.  Also I've had the
pleasure of being involved - again only in a minor way - with a
privateer race team creating mock-ups in N2K3 for the team's
sponsorship proposals.
*If* Jim is wanting this to be a GPL-only production, I can *not*
understand where he's coming from.

In no way do I want this to be a NASCAR vs historic F1 discussion.  It
would be great to see the track converted for F1C which would open up
even more possibilities for different hardware to be blatted around
the superb course.

To labour the point even more ;)...

How can willingly restricting the audience for such a great creation
be in any way a positive thing?

Regards,

Mark


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