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OMG: Isle of Man!

Bruce Kennewel

OMG: Isle of Man!

by Bruce Kennewel » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:41:34

I can't get over the smoothness with the high level of detail.
No other add-on approaching this size runs as smoothly as IoM does on my PC.

Bruce.


Steve Smit

OMG: Isle of Man!

by Steve Smit » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:04:29

ExSQUEEZE me, but I'm the one who drew r.a.s.'s attention to this wonderful
effort.




> > What's important to me (now that I understand the difference) is the
tire
> > modeling.  I finally know what Dave Kaemmer meant when he said he
couldn't
> > drive GPL any more (this was almost 2 years ago) because the tire model
is
> > so primitive (read: numb).

> I suspect that DK's concept of 'primitive' and most other people's are
> rather different. He may be a racer too, but at the end of the day he has
> the heart of an engineer, and he probably feels that, quite rightly, the
> stuff he's built since gpl is better. His 'best' project will very
probably
> be his latest one, just like every other engineer.

> gpl has plenty of flaws & faults, it could be better in alot of ways, but
> right now if you want to run the IOM circuit, you're going to have to load
> up gpl. There are worse things you could do, Steve, and believe me, it's
> worth it.

> Malc.

Steve Smit

OMG: Isle of Man!

by Steve Smit » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:08:05

Hear! Hear!


> You know, guys, I've always felt that there's hardly ever a racecar
unsuited
> to a certain track or track type. Rather, it's the drivers who are
unsuited
> to the cars, or who don't have real racing *** in their veins, because
in
> all modesty, if you're a racer, you take the vehicle you can get hold of,
> make the best of it and _race_ against whoever will give you a race :-)

> Achim

> P.s.: CP is one of the circuits I'm dreaming of getting converted to N2k3,
> the Nascars are a _blast_ at Monaco, and the Nascar RC league I'm driving
in
> has - at least in its top division - a lot less carnage than most GPL
> leagues :-)



> ...
> > Jeez, you want to drive big honky NASCAR cars on the Man TT circuit of
> > all places?

> > Some people really ARE nuts  (like anyone who drives that track in real
> > life  ;)

> > Maybe the Monaco GP circuit would be an even BETTER choice for those Big
> > Fa(s)t Americans, with a 30-car field!   ;)   Heck, no, Crystal Palace,
> > that's it!   <grin - imagines the carnage>

Steve Smit

OMG: Isle of Man!

by Steve Smit » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:10:17

Carrera Panamericana!  Gran Premio de Argentina!  Redex Round Australia
Rally!  Cannonball Baker Sea-to-Shining-Sea Memorial Trophy Dash!



Steve Smit

OMG: Isle of Man!

by Steve Smit » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:11:45

What Carl said!


Mar

OMG: Isle of Man!

by Mar » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:13:40


> However, what *I* do NOT want on MY computer is a bunch of tin-tops
> bellowing around the Isle of Man and if Jim Pearson feels the same about his
> circuit then I think it's wonderful.

But if it became available for N2003 no-one's gonna come around and
*** your PC by forcibly installing it.  I think it's a little sad
that you're happy about restricted choice.

Our N2K3 league runs a version of Rouen with restrictor plated Cup
cars and it's an absolute hoot once you get used to how ***y wide
the car feels!

Regards,

Mark

Steve Smit

OMG: Isle of Man!

by Steve Smit » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:13:50

Uh, Marc?  The N2003 physics (well, N2002, actually) *were* the GPL2
physics.


> Do you know something the rest of don't?

> Trans-Am physics doesn't equal GPL2 for me anyway...

> Marc



> > > I am SO glad that Jim has rejected all thoughts of converting this for
> > > NASCARxxxx.
> > > To do so would be utter sacrilege.

> > Noooo. You got it all wrong.
> > Nascar 2003 = GPL 2.

> > [The Patch is near]
> >         |
> >         |

> > :)

Joachim Trens

OMG: Isle of Man!

by Joachim Trens » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:14:05

He says conversions need his approval, if I understand this correctly?

Achim


> Have a read of his Terms and Conditions, Joachim.

> Bruce.


> > Well all he said was he wouldn't do it himself :-)

Joachim Trens

OMG: Isle of Man!

by Joachim Trens » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:15:54

Hi Bruce,

I see where you're coming from, and of course I respect your attitude and
personal preferences.

But, I'd like to race IoM in N2k3 for various reasons, and am of course not
happy when I see people applauding Jim for not converting it.

I think it wouldn't distract from your enjoyment of your own way of racing
when others raced whatever other cars at the IoM - unless you met them there
while racing? ;-)

Achim


> Why not??
> Holding onto those things which you treasure never hurt anyone......that's
> why nostalgia is such big business and why (amongst other things) car
> manufacturers and movie makers are recycling themes, albeit with a 21st.
> century bent.

> The day that GPL ceases to give me enjoyment will be a day that it is
> replaced by something very, VERY special indeed.
> If that happens to be a mod for NASCAR2003, well and good, so long as the
> mod is in tune with the circuit on which it is intended to race.

> See, Joachim, although it probably makes no sense to you whatsoever, I use
> GPL a little differently to most of you.
> My settings are "realistic", for a start.
> As an example, I don't bottom-out the suspension to get the car as low as
> possible; I use settings which are closer to historical reality, within
the
> constraints of the program, that is.

> I don't run 1967 F1 season races on anything other than the circuits that
> were used (including that ***y dreadful "Mickey Mouse" thing called Le
> Mans - Bugatti).
> All the add-on circuits I simply use for single races.

> There are a couple of other silly "conditions" to which I try and adhere
but
> they're more to do with the teams and drivers.

> As far as I'm concerned, I am a "GPL fan" - NOT necessarily in the general
> category of "Race-Sim fan".

> Do you understand my idiosyncrasy now? :)

> Bruce.


> > That doesn't mean it's a good thing to do, though, does it? :-)

Steve Smit

OMG: Isle of Man!

by Steve Smit » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:31:37

Yeah, the seascape coming down into Douglas is incredible!  Rarely have
there been any ocean views in GPL (E. London is the only example I can think
of, altho there have been others in Papy sims: Detroit, Cleveland, Surfers).
It looks like it took a thousand monks a thousand years to finish all the
details.  Entire villages!  It reminds me of the scenery in Mobil 1 Rally
Championship.  The textures!  The colors!  It's the polar opposite of what
Alison Hine once coldly dismissed as "tree wallpaper" in some lame fantasy
track.  What a lovely romp!  I don't think there's ever been as magnificent
a track for GPL...including the original 11.


Carl Ribbegaard

OMG: Isle of Man!

by Carl Ribbegaard » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 22:10:32


<snip>

But what if the 1950's mod is created using Nascar 2003 as platform?

If it in one month becomes evident that the N2k3 platform is similar to GPL
but easier to mod, I'd be surprised if the modders doesn't switch platform
much like the F1-200X modders now use F1C.

To me, it isn't a big deal how they create it. I'm just happy to be here
when it happens :-)

Cheers,
Carl

A.M.Troni

OMG: Isle of Man!

by A.M.Troni » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 22:20:33




>> > Do such weird things happen if a NR2003 track is
>> > too long?  The hard limit (5 miles) has been repealed,
>> > yes, but is there a 'soft' limit too?  Aside from lag on
>> > such a memory hog of course...

>> > John DiFool

>> Nascar Racing 2003 does not have a length limit on tracks.

>Mille Miglia!
>Mille Miglia!
>;)

>Kendt

If you gonna do it, do it.

One Lap of America.

Gerry Aitke

OMG: Isle of Man!

by Gerry Aitke » Thu, 17 Jul 2003 00:46:43


> You know, guys, I've always felt that there's hardly ever a racecar unsuited
> to a certain track or track type. Rather, it's the drivers who are unsuited
> to the cars, or who don't have real racing *** in their veins, because in
> all modesty, if you're a racer, you take the vehicle you can get hold of,
> make the best of it and _race_ against whoever will give you a race :-)

Achim, I own and race a prokart. These karts are
the_most_disgusting_to_drive racing vehicles available, but probably the
cheapest (one of anyway) form of motor racing you can get involved in.
Real world racing being very expensive, I just have to make do with the
old prokark in all it's disgustingness!

But at least in sim racing I can afford to exercise my preference! :)

Sounds like fun. :)

Did I tell you I met one of the top GPL'ers at Goodwood last year? Well
what a disappointment that was! The guys was an utter nerd, and with his
veal crate complexion, he looked like he'd spent the last four years
alone in his room hotlapping.

Gerry

Goy Larse

OMG: Isle of Man!

by Goy Larse » Thu, 17 Jul 2003 00:50:14


> Simply because the physics as far as I understand it will be open for
> modifications.
> :-)

Open yes, but it might have some limits that we're not aware of yet
simply because we haven't tried to model a vehicle that differs that
much from a Nascar Stocker, and while we done some work on the physics,
I really don't know the answers to that

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Joachim Trens

OMG: Isle of Man!

by Joachim Trens » Thu, 17 Jul 2003 01:11:27

Hi Gerry,

I'll reply to that in a private mail :-)

Achim



> > You know, guys, I've always felt that there's hardly ever a racecar
unsuited
> > to a certain track or track type. Rather, it's the drivers who are
unsuited
> > to the cars, or who don't have real racing *** in their veins, because
in
> > all modesty, if you're a racer, you take the vehicle you can get hold
of,
> > make the best of it and _race_ against whoever will give you a race :-)

> Achim, I own and race a prokart. These karts are
> the_most_disgusting_to_drive racing vehicles available, but probably the
> cheapest (one of anyway) form of motor racing you can get involved in.
> Real world racing being very expensive, I just have to make do with the
> old prokark in all it's disgustingness!

> But at least in sim racing I can afford to exercise my preference! :)

> > Achim

> > P.s.: CP is one of the circuits I'm dreaming of getting converted to
N2k3,
> > the Nascars are a _blast_ at Monaco, and the Nascar RC league I'm
driving in
> > has - at least in its top division - a lot less carnage than most GPL
> > leagues :-)

> Sounds like fun. :)

> Did I tell you I met one of the top GPL'ers at Goodwood last year? Well
> what a disappointment that was! The guys was an utter nerd, and with his
> veal crate complexion, he looked like he'd spent the last four years
> alone in his room hotlapping.

> Gerry


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