>> Steve, is this going to be converted over to N2003?
> Jeez, you want to drive big honky NASCAR cars on the Man TT circuit of
> all places?
> Some people really ARE nuts (like anyone who drives that track in real
> life ;)
> Maybe the Monaco GP circuit would be an even BETTER choice for those Big
> Fa(s)t Americans, with a 30-car field! ;) Heck, no, Crystal Palace,
> that's it! <grin - imagines the carnage>
Achim
...
Stephen
Achim
P.s.: CP is one of the circuits I'm dreaming of getting converted to N2k3,
the Nascars are a _blast_ at Monaco, and the Nascar RC league I'm driving in
has - at least in its top division - a lot less carnage than most GPL
leagues :-)
...
That doesn't mean it's a good thing to do, though, does it? :-)
I still remember with awe and fascination the small yellow Lotus cars racing
against Opel Diplomats, the modified Fiats, Cobras (some of them drove home
on the public streets after the race), the Triumphs, Austin Healeys or MG's
and all the others race around the Norisring in the era ~40 years ago. I can
actually still see some of the racing scenes before me. And I can hear the
awesome sounds of I forget what they were called at the time - prototypes?
Single-seaters with a sound that shook your bones so deeply you'd bite your
teeth to prevent them from getting shaken out :-)
But I'll also recognise when something new and good is coming my way in
terms of racing, and I'll enjoy it with just as much pleasure as I enjoyed
those ancient racecars :-)
Achim
P.s.: AAMOF, Nascar technology should send pleasant shudders down the spine
of anyone adoring racing history :-) (no offense to Nascars meant) :-)
Pete
> I have no objections to seeing NASCAR 2003 modded to the hilt.
> It can spawn ump*** different classes of racing machines and I should
> ***y well hope that the physics ARE different to those in GPL.
> However, what *I* do NOT want on MY computer is a bunch of tin-tops
> bellowing around the Isle of Man and if Jim Pearson feels the same about
his
> circuit then I think it's wonderful.
> Now.....perhaps this will give someone the incentive to do a mod of N2003
> which will pop out a gaggle of Norton's, Triumph's,
> Ducati's....................
> Bruce.
> > Goy, its a shame some people live in the past and have trouble
moving
> > on.
One thing I *really* enjoy about the N2003 engine is the variable
lighting conditions. IoM, like so many of GPL's great tracks, would
benefit from the extra "life" that lighting can breathe into the
experience. Well, for me anyway!
Andrew McP
Targa Florio! All 3 versions too! Should only take a decade or so of spare
time :)
David
Hence, converting a track to N2k3 will bring out its true beauty. It'll make
it _really_ shine in terms of immersion and the feeling of 'being there' for
me.
Achim
> > If Jim Pearson chooses not to convert it thats his choice,
> > it would be a shame.
> I think if pressed I'd have to say that the creator's wishes should be
> honoured. But a big part of me says this is such a great track (in
> driving terms and as an example of excellent craftsmanship) that the
> wider the audience, the better. And if it were to be secretly converted
> I'd secretly download it and feel a little guilty.
> One thing I *really* enjoy about the N2003 engine is the variable
> lighting conditions. IoM, like so many of GPL's great tracks, would
> benefit from the extra "life" that lighting can breathe into the
> experience. Well, for me anyway!
> Andrew McP
> Marc
> > > Do you know something the rest of don't?
> > > Trans-Am physics doesn't equal GPL2 for me anyway...
> > Unless you refuse to drive anything with fenders and a roof, N2003 is
> > more than just the mods from PWF, MUCH more
> > Hell, for all I know there may be something in there for open wheel die
> > hards as well, we've not even tried to venture into that area
> > Beers and cheers
> > (uncle) Goy
> > "goyl at nettx dot no"
> > http://www.theuspits.com
> > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> > --Groucho Marx--
I drove Zandvort in N2003 for the first time last week and it was far
*far* more enjoyable than I ever expected. It was always my favourite
track for GPL and now... well, now it doesn't feel quite the same in GPL
any more!
I sort of feel like I've been unfaithful :-)
Of course having been enthusiastic about N2003, I'm really e***d by
the prospect of driving something a little less Nascar-flavoured in the
rumoured mod/s. Though I must admit to being confused by those mods...
why aren't Papyrus/Sierra doing it themselves and making money on it?
All will no doubt be revealed!
Andrew McP
Among the GPL beta testers we were an extremely dedicated and enthusiastic
bunch for GPL at the time. And at its time, GPL was no doubt the best ever,
and it's still a milestone in physics modelling, and online capability.
There's no doubt about it.
But, life goes on, and you've got to move on with it - or else you'll be
left behind, hold everyone else up, and miss a lot of the good stuff that's
happening.
I wouldn't want to fall for every silly new fashion or pseudo-ism some of
the younger folks get drawn into, but I'd like to bring the good stuff from
the past with me and try to integrate it with the good new stuff. Holding
everyone else up isn't what a racer wants to do, does he, except on the last
lap if he's leading but can't go full speed anymore :-)
Like you, I'm looking forward with e***ment to the modified physics
commonly labelled TransAm. I'm hoping for them to open the door for a couple
of mods besides PWF's TransAm mod, and I sincerely hope they'll resemble a
bit more the street racecars we Europeans are used to.
But until then, I'll race using the sim which gets closest to reality, and I
won't waste a second thinking about what they or what a racecar should be or
should not be. If it's got decent horsepower and cornering speed, it
qualifies as a racecar for me :-)
Achim
> > the main advantage N2k3 has over GPL for me personally is the
> > dramatically more advanced tire model
> Oh, I agree Achim, though it wasn't until I drove N2003 on some of the
> converted GPL tracks that I was able to really appreciate some of the
> advances in realism and "feel". Which is why I agree with...
> > Driving the same track in GPL and N2k3, the track will feel
> > endlessly more real to me in N2k3 than it does in GPL
> I drove Zandvort in N2003 for the first time last week and it was far
> *far* more enjoyable than I ever expected. It was always my favourite
> track for GPL and now... well, now it doesn't feel quite the same in GPL
> any more!
> I sort of feel like I've been unfaithful :-)
> Of course having been enthusiastic about N2003, I'm really e***d by
> the prospect of driving something a little less Nascar-flavoured in the
> rumoured mod/s. Though I must admit to being confused by those mods...
> why aren't Papyrus/Sierra doing it themselves and making money on it?
> All will no doubt be revealed!
> Andrew McP
I LIKE the past, mate! Some of the best things to ever happen to me occurred
in the past (so did some of the worst, but we won't go into that!). In fact,
what I just typed is now in the past. :)
I also like a lot about the present - a hell of a lot.
(Not too sure about the future, though.)
But when it comes to racing sims, I LOVE the past, totally HATE the present.
SO I don't give a rat's arse if "GPL 2" never sees the light of day.
In fact, the one thing that I'm*** out for at the moment is the 1965
mod for GPL, followed by the 1950's mod.
If they both see the light of day then GPL will be on my computer well into
the next century.
Cheers, Pete!
Bruce.
The day that GPL ceases to give me enjoyment will be a day that it is
replaced by something very, VERY special indeed.
If that happens to be a mod for NASCAR2003, well and good, so long as the
mod is in tune with the circuit on which it is intended to race.
See, Joachim, although it probably makes no sense to you whatsoever, I use
GPL a little differently to most of you.
My settings are "realistic", for a start.
As an example, I don't bottom-out the suspension to get the car as low as
possible; I use settings which are closer to historical reality, within the
constraints of the program, that is.
I don't run 1967 F1 season races on anything other than the circuits that
were used (including that ***y dreadful "Mickey Mouse" thing called Le
Mans - Bugatti).
All the add-on circuits I simply use for single races.
There are a couple of other silly "conditions" to which I try and adhere but
they're more to do with the teams and drivers.
As far as I'm concerned, I am a "GPL fan" - NOT necessarily in the general
category of "Race-Sim fan".
Do you understand my idiosyncrasy now? :)
Bruce.
Bruce.
