David, brace yourself! ;)
My idea is that a rally car doesn't handle like in RC2k!
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It did not.
<end of discussion> No?
I mean you'll start shouting on top of the roof because of that? Blackmail
Papyrus for that?
What's next? Blast SODA for no D3D patch? Nascar 1? F1GP? Pole Position?
Where is the limit?
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-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.
I had no trouble in 640x480 with a very acceptable level of details and # of
cars. Why do people whine, when they can get an incredible increase in
framerate by simply going down a resolution?
Geeze some people are so ***ed to good looking graphics, they loose touch
of the reality of ***. Warcraft did not sell because of it's incredible
graphics. So didn't Diablo, or Roller Coaster Tycoon, or <etc..>
Another over-generalisation. Many did not.
GP2 is the best VGA game in the history remember! ;)
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No, the principal market of GPL is people who are 1) older 2) with a higher
income than the majority of gamers so they can buy the correct video card
for the software. Another time, GPL was not made for the average gamer to
enjoy, as it's a pure racing simulation made for people who enjoy racing
simulations. It could had included a greater range of driving aids and
marketed to the masses, but they took the decision to not do so. Like some
artist don't make music to get a #1 on the Billboard, or paint so they have
it at the Met, or create movies to get an oscar.
And that's a fact.
Just look here, or on VROC, or in offline league, or web boards.
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Eldred
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>Do you really think you would be able to jump right in a F1 McLaren and turn
>GP qualifying speeds in a couple days? And then take away several tactile
>sense, and still do so?
Eldred
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>Indigo
>On Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:47:22 +0100, Graeme Nash
>>>I just asked here in the newsgroup and got a bunch of flames from
>>>the "experts".
>>Hmm, a little sensitive to criticism aren't we? I read through that
>>thread where you (rudely and intolerantly) called the patch "crap", and
>>I saw *one* post which could be considered a flame.
>>You should try saying "GPL must be ***because I can't run WR pace
>>after half an hour's practice" and then see what you get :-)
>>--
>>Cheers!
>>Graeme Nash
C'mon, you *knew* that was coming... :)
Eldred
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I think you may have missed 99% of the post (maybe you didn't scroll down
all the way, because you cut everything but the first line). If you did,
then you'd see that you are supporting my reply to Jan.
David G Fisher
> --
> Eric
> > That's a graphics engine situation, not a physics engine
> >Facts are tough to deal with.
> You don't give facts. You only shout 'check the code' without giving
> us examples.
No Andre, you said you drove a 1:16, which at that time was the fastest lap
at the Blackhole Motorsports web site, and which you said proved that F12000
was too easy and didn't give you the challenge that only GPL could. You even
said that if it came down to the 1:14 range, you'd be impressed. It's
gradually come down over the weeks, just as I said it would. How could it
not? You were claiming it reached it's limit so soon after the game was
released.
Andre, I am very lucky to have an excellent life. I hope you do as well.
David G Fisher
> Which is why I can trailbrake and powerslide exiting most of the slow
> corners in F12k, something that any Formula 1 fan/driver knows impossible
to
> do with those beasts, unless you are one true master like Schumacher.
> Especially more with the grooved tyres <g>
There are many things we can do in GPL that the real drivers never did. Take
a look at a hotlap.
David G Fisher
> No, the principal market of GPL is people who are 1) older 2) with a higher
> income than the majority of gamers so they can buy the correct video card
> for the software. Another time, GPL was not made for the average gamer to
> enjoy, as it's a pure racing simulation made for people who enjoy racing
> simulations. It could had included a greater range of driving aids and
> marketed to the masses, but they took the decision to not do so. Like some
> artist don't make music to get a #1 on the Billboard, or paint so they have
> it at the Met, or create movies to get an oscar.
> And that's a fact.
> Just look here, or on VROC, or in offline league, or web boards.
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> How do we know Gregor Veble has all the knowledge necessary to say that
> F12K's physics are accurate? what are his credentials? Just wondering...
-Gregor
Thanks Eldred.
Andre
>DGF
>> David, if you would have checked the code of GPL, you could have
>> figured this out by yourself...
>> Andre
>> >Mainly because it doesn't have to draw a mirror.
>> >--
>> >Eric
>> >> Why does the frmarate shoot up so much in GPL when using the chase
>> >view?
>> >> Physics are the same in either view.
>> Which is why I can trailbrake and powerslide exiting most of the slow
>> corners in F12k, something that any Formula 1 fan/driver knows impossible
>to
>> do with those beasts, unless you are one true master like Schumacher.
>> Especially more with the grooved tyres <g>
>FIrst you say it can't be done, then you say it can be done if you are
>Schumacher. So F12000 models an F1 car correctly.
Hena
Stephen
> >> Everyone here is looking
> >> forward to GP3, and we hope it will walk all over GPL. If it does,
> >> great. GPL will be pretty much consigned to the history books.
> >I'm looking forward to GP3 and will almost certainly buy it.
> I *shall* certainly buy it. I want to see the weather...
> >However, even if it's better I won't give up on GPL, simply because it
> >models the cars and tracks from a period of racing which was far more
> >compelling and exciting than the current high-downforce, zero-suspension,
> >mega-braked, go-kart track formula.
> <grin> As one who has no interest *at all* in racing on-line, and
> who is married with a partner who has no interest in racing sims,
> and who therefore has only a very limited time to indulge, GPL is
> too damned hard. I don't have the *time* to indulge in the
> learning curve, much though I'd like to. The sim looks terrific
> now I have the patch to properly support my TNT2 graphics card
> (bought long before I bought GPL - I've only owned the sim for
> about 3 months, bought as a cheapie in the local discount store)
> but it's not much fun if the car won't stay on the track...
> GP2 OTOH I enjoy immensely - I can tinker with the setup enough
> to make a difference, score points just often enough to keep my
> interest - and stay on the track unless I do something *really*
> stupid...
> I don't decry GPL for those who enjoy the precision and the
> enjoyment of conquering one of the most... taxing... driving sims
> out there. But it's not my cup of tea...
> Martin D. Pay
> Just my 2 penn'orth...
