rec.autos.simulators

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A great portion of the people here appreciate NFS:PU
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I *must* get around to buying that game. Maybe when my EB loyalty
card voucher comes through...

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Of the three forthcoming games, WSC is the one that e***s me most -
mainly because of the way it's being written, primarily as a labour of
love by enthusiasts rather than as a cash cow. GP3 I'll buy, if only
because everyone else will. Then I'll discover it needs 512 megs and a
2GHz processor to get above 10fps, and go back to MGPRS2. N4 I'll
ignore, as I don't like NASCAR.

I think a great deal more people will continue to play GPL than
continue to play F1GP1 - because GPL has never been superseded in the
way GP1 has. It's going to take one hell of a game to displace GPL at
the top of my list - WSC might just do it, but it'll be very hard.

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David. (GPLRank handicap: +39.92)
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Yes, and have been for some years now. Ever since I got GP2, in fact.

That's possibly overegging it a bit. After all, I still play Network Q
Rally Championship, even though RC2000 is much more advanced, because
no other game lets me do the whole RAC Rally. In the same way, I'll
continue to play GPL, because no other game has such fantastic circuits
(especially the Ring!).

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David. (GPLRank handicap: +39.92)
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

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Agreed Graeme,

Not to mention that many of us have enough room in our life for *many*
good sims.

Never understood why people have to pick just *one* great sim,
and champion it with blinders on to the exclusion of all other great
sims that may be equally valid in their own way to the experience they
are trying to simulate, whether that be GPL or RC2000 or NFS:PU.

Personally I own all three, play all three and am glad I bough all
three. And I will also be buying GP3 because I was a huge fan of GP2 up
until GPL came along. Then again I still drive GP2 from time to time,
and I'm sure I'll be driving GPL from time to time even after I've gone
on to other newer favorite sims.

Maybe I'm alone in the fact that I can afford to buy more than one good
sim, maybe that's why I don't have to spend all my time either beating
up on GPL or RC2000, or comparing GPL's physics to RC2000 or F1 2000 etc.
Otherwise it's hard to understand the stubborn behavior of some people.

Here's hoping we have many more good sims to come, and I can only hope they
top out the wonderful sims we already have, nothing wrong with that,
it's called progress.

--John
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David G Fisher

-Gregor

(footnote 1) Why do I say on par and not surpass? Simply because GPL
model is already very close to what can possibly be achieved regarding
the simulation of a vehicle on a PC, and any further advances in
precision even if they existed will hardly be observable by the user.
This is especially true due the low travel of the suspension of the
modern F1 cars, as it is in modelling the suspension there is still some
way to go past GPL. I think WSC is going in exactly this direction,
though, and there it just may show.

Jan.
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This is so ridicolous. THis reminds me a lot on religious maniacs who just
accept their opinion.

 :-)) Well, it was. IMO even NFS Porsche is a sim, because it has an
acceptable driving model. NFS4 was not a sim, just an arcade racer.

GPL is still my favorite sim, but I am also annoyed by some design flaws.
One is the missing saving feature within a race.

Jochen

Its just a fact that GPL is driver sensitive, but write it and you get
flamed.

I just expect that I can play a 2 years old game on a P2-400 with TNT
and have an acceptable frame rate. Is that too much?

Sure, not everyone is intolerant, but the most vocal people are.

Jochen

It was a ***ing joke, you stupid *** (now this is rude isn't it? - no,
no, its a joke as well)

If your IQ is more than 30 you should ask yourself: "What is the impact of
playing Racing simulations on your marriage ?", and NOT the other way round.
If you are married, you should know what I mean.

Of course my original message was meant as a joke.
If your answer was also meant as a joke, then Im the stupid *** of
course :)

Keep on racing :)

Your 3D card is not supported by the game out of the box. But for the
continued efforts of GPL's developers you'd have _NO FRAMERATE_ at all.

Is this so hard for people to understand?? -I'm*** on to my SLI'd V2's
for GPL. I therefore accept games like RC2000, SBK2000, NFS:PU, QIII, UT et
al will not run at as high a resolution or as smoothly as they could on one
of these 3rd generation cards. I have made a priority assessment and that's
that. You don't here me complaining about NFS:PU chugging a little at the
start of races in 800x600, now do you?

I'm sorry if this sounds rude or intolerant, but I assure you it's just
exasperation on my part.

Jan.
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Just as a factual issue you are incorrect about the illegality.

The reason people like Noonan and the GPLEA can "get away" with what they do
is that they havn't done anything illegal, or even immoral.

The reason you feel it is illegal is that software companies have done
everything in their power to foster that impression. Just as the "FBI
warning" and scrambling of DVD's are there to foster the impression that
it's illegal to make copies of them. It isn't. Both the courts, and congress
by actual law, affirm your right to copy videos and computer programs.

They also affirm your right to look at the code, if you can only figure out
how.

Even the the DMCA, the most retrictive, consumer unfriendly, piece of
copyright legisation every passed still affirms your right, as an end user,
to look at and even modify, commercially released code.

% Not everyone is like that,
% I feel I'm a bit like you, I like GPL and still enjoy it too but I can see
% the good in other sims and I can see a flaw in GPL when there is one to be
% seen.

% Unfortunately, here are some followers of GPL who won't accept another sim.
% I know damn well that GP3 is going to kick some major ass come July 28th but
% it is most definitely going to be put down by many around here.

It's not that we won't except other sims, it's that other sims haven't
delivered what we are looking for in a sim.  What I want is great
physics, mass differences between marques, and great online racing (DG
no need to respond -- we know where you stand <G>).  Oh and great tracks
to race on....  When another sim comes along that can deliver on all of
these, I'll be there in the first day line-up to buy it.  For the future
it looks like N4 may be able to deliver and WSC is making every effort to
deliver.  For me it looks like GP3 will be a good diversion (wimpy
online features?).  Heck, even NFS:PU was welcomed by the GPL crowd and
it's not even a full fledged sim.....

Go figure....

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Chuck Kandler  
GPL F1 Handicap of +210.00 as of 6/15
GPL F3 Handicap of +438.42 as of 6/21
K&S Racing
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Registered Linux User #180746
http://counter.li.org

% Not true. Comments like this are what makes the GPL crowd an annoyance when
% discussing sims at r.a.s. F12000 has a physics model as complex as GPL's.
% Viper has a very complex physics model. So does RC2000. So does NFS:PU.
% Forget opinions. Check the code and you will see.

While f12k may have a complex physics model, I didn't feel that it was
as complex as what I feel in GPL.  That's the difference.  Also how well
that complex physics model is modeled.  Just because it's complex and
has alot of variables doesn't mean that it is modeled correctly or in as
fine as detail as GPL does it.  

There I am rude and intolerent <G>

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     Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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