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Are GPL fans rude and intolerant?

Tony StewartNo

Are GPL fans rude and intolerant?

by Tony StewartNo » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Shesh People Now that WAS RUDE

 "You should spend more time with your wife and kids instead of playing stupid
computer games! What? You haven't got a wife and kids?
See what I mean!!"

       Infact That was Terrible!! What does having a marrage Impact You playing
on Racing simulations!!! This message really shocked me. I dont kow if your
being sarcastic, joking, Or whatever! That was the rudest comment on here in a
while!

    I really support GPL its a fun real simulation. Its not my favorite. I like
the flips and the AI but, I  enjoy N3 more.
Of course N3 is 'unreal' 'fake' But its fun, thats why games/simulation sell.
Cause there fun.

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Reggie Brook

Are GPL fans rude and intolerant?

by Reggie Brook » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00


I take exception to this comment. In SCGT you can make any car (even the
lowliest of the GTQ class) go over 200 mph and stick to the track like glue
with some simple editing of the .veh file associated with that car using
Notepad or any other text editor.

Mark Stah

Are GPL fans rude and intolerant?

by Mark Stah » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

he's right; it was really good!
:)


> You're much too kind.


> > LOL, this must be the most witty post I've ever read here!

> > -Gregor

Jan Verschuere

Are GPL fans rude and intolerant?

by Jan Verschuere » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Well, quite frankly, I fail to see the point of yours. SCGT setup options
are not bad, but no way near as detailed as GPL's. SCGT's "open"
architecture is one of it's strong points, but making a car "stick like
glue" or soup up a GTQ to 200mph doesn't help the authenticity / realism of
the title.

That being said I would love to edit a file in GPL to give the cars a little
more stick (5% might even be too much) in an off-line install, but it's not
possible yet.

Jan.
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David G Fishe

Are GPL fans rude and intolerant?

by David G Fishe » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00


GPL should of been compatible with more cards.

Labor of love? You guys must be very close to know each other so intimately.

There's quite a few developers who's "labor of love" has been called much
worse than ***by fans of GPL (understatement of the decade).

Not true. Comments like this are what makes the GPL crowd an annoyance when
discussing sims at r.a.s. F12000 has a physics model as complex as GPL's.
Viper has a very complex physics model. So does RC2000. So does NFS:PU.
Forget opinions. Check the code and you will see.

- Show quoted text -

Not true again. There are a number of sims which let you do that.

Wrong yet again. See above.

LOL.

The harsh reception will be for the same boring reasons as always.

David G  Fisher

David G Fishe

Are GPL fans rude and intolerant?

by David G Fishe » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

I'm surprised you needed to ask this question.  :-)

Yes, many but not all, are very rude and intolerant. Not only to other
posters but especially to the people who create the sims which comprise
their hobby.

They insist that GPL's physics are above all others when that's simply not
true. Since that's not true, most of what they preach is really nonsense.

There's a trillion other things in life that are more important than sims,
so don't let them get your *** boiling. :-)

David G Fisher


David G Fishe

Are GPL fans rude and intolerant?

by David G Fishe » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00





> > Just let me start with the fact that I play GPL since it came
> > out and I still enjoy it.

> > What bothers me really is the reaction of the GPL fans to all
> > kinds of critics to GPL.
> Not everyone is like that,
> I feel I'm a bit like you, I like GPL and still enjoy it too but I can see
> the good in other sims and I can see a flaw in GPL when there is one to be
> seen.

> Unfortunately, here are some followers of GPL who won't accept another
sim.
> I know damn well that GP3 is going to kick some major ass come July 28th
but
> it is most definitely going to be put down by many around here.

> This is the whole reason for HIGH Gears poll on: "Is R.A.S a valid NG?".
Of
> course certain RAS subscribers (you'll never guess which ones) got their
> noses up and "stuffed the box".

> I think it sums it up when only last week when I read the words..... "I
> don't think GP2 was a sim".

And I feel I'm quite a bit like you as well.

The release of GP3 will probably prove us right again.

The physics surely won't be as advanced as GPL. I can guarantee that one.
There will be the insistence of canned spins. The graphics will be
considered "eye candy". Blah, blah, blah.

I've already enjoyed the posts which berated GP3 for not having ff, and
which said the reason it didn't was because the physics model wasn't
advanced enough.

David G Fisher

Graeme Nas

Are GPL fans rude and intolerant?

by Graeme Nas » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Hmm, a little sensitive to criticism aren't we? I read through that
thread where you (rudely and intolerantly) called the patch "crap", and
I saw *one* post which could be considered a flame.

You should try saying "GPL must be ***because I can't run WR pace
after half an hour's practice" and then see what you get :-)

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Cheers!
Graeme Nash

Graeme Nas

Are GPL fans rude and intolerant?

by Graeme Nas » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

"Do as I say, not as I do"

:-)

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Cheers!
Graeme Nash

Graeme Nas

Are GPL fans rude and intolerant?

by Graeme Nas » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Err... I don't think that's the case at all. Everyone here is looking
forward to GP3, and we hope it will walk all over GPL. If it does,
great. GPL will be pretty much consigned to the history books.
If it doesn't, many will carry on with GPL - because it would therefore
still be the best sim around.

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Cheers!
Graeme Nash

Gradee

Are GPL fans rude and intolerant?

by Gradee » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00


In the "Anyone aware of this Bug in GPL" thread. Here's a snipping.

"Gp2 models this properly and it looks like they modelled it the other way
around in GPL, I am not saying that GP2 is better because of this, I know
GPL is far superior and don't consider GP2 a true sim but it models this
issue better than GPL."

Sorry to pick out the author here, I'm ot picking on you or anything, It
just to prove a point.

Its a bit contradictory but it say it.

Tracey A Mille

Are GPL fans rude and intolerant?

by Tracey A Mille » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

"Gradee "The BoDee" Ventura" wrote

That's a perfect example of the intimidation factor the "no life
outside of GPL" crowd (can't say GPL crowd, since I play GPL that
would include myself and a lot of good people who are not rude or
intolerant) exerts on this newsgroup.

It's obvious from the quote that the guy liked GP2, but he felt
obliged to throw in the "but of course I realize GPL is the only true
sim" disclaimer so he wouldn't get pounced on.

It's ridiculous, and the closer GPL comes to being surpassed - with
GP3, N4, and WSC on the horizon - the more fanatic they get. RAS
reminds me of an Amiga BBS around the time Commodore was folding and
IBM compatibles were getting SVGA  and 16 bit sound cards.

I still think the post that said "no new tracks are available for
Viper Racing because it isn't a real sim" was the all time most
preposterous.

Kai Fulle

Are GPL fans rude and intolerant?

by Kai Fulle » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

does anyone here consider GP2 a "true sim?" I hope not it's a good sim, but
not true to life, however I don't consider GPL a true sim either, until it's
exact it's not a true sim.

as for GPL being far superior to GP2 in the physics department... I sure
hope so GP2 is pretty old, and came out a sim generation before GPL with
games like Nascar 2's engine.

I'm wondering if we're taking this guys tone a little to harsh? I think he
was saying, yeah I think GPL is a lot better than GP2, but it still has it's
flaws.





> > "Gradee "The BoDee" Ventura" wrote
> > > I think it sums it up when only last week when I read the words.....
"I
> > > don't think GP2 was a sim".

> > You're kidding right? Did someone actually write that? Seriously?

> In the "Anyone aware of this Bug in GPL" thread. Here's a snipping.

> "Gp2 models this properly and it looks like they modelled it the other way
> around in GPL, I am not saying that GP2 is better because of this, I know
> GPL is far superior and don't consider GP2 a true sim but it models this
> issue better than GPL."

> Sorry to pick out the author here, I'm ot picking on you or anything, It
> just to prove a point.

> Its a bit contradictory but it say it.

Kai Fulle

Are GPL fans rude and intolerant?

by Kai Fulle » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

have you really opened up all the code to these games? that is illegal by
the way and not easily done.

btw, just because the physics are just as complex, doesn't mean that their
done right. Nascar 2000 from EA has more complex physics than Nascar 2, but
doesn't necciarilly simulate the car better. I could make a extremely deep
physics model 5000 times bigger than GPL's but if all my physics were
programmed all wrong it wouldn't make a difference. So when we talk about
the realism of a sim, lets not talk about how man lines of code are involved
anymore David. Everyone knows that GPL does a more realistic job than F1
2000.... you can jump right into F1 2000 and cruise right along, that's not
real. The first time I drove out of the pits in GPL I spun out, and that's
what I did for the next few weeks, that is.





> > Jochen Heistermann wrote...
> > > Just let me start with the fact that I play GPL since
> > > it came out and I still enjoy it.

> > > What bothers me really is the reaction of the GPL fans
> > > to all kinds of critics to GPL.

> > Here we go again.

> > > For example I loaded the D3D patch and got bad
> > > performance, I read through the readme and changed
> > > the parameters as Papy recommended. I ended with bad
> > > performance.

> > If you really liked GPL you wouldn't have bought an incompatible card in
> the
> > first place.

> GPL should of been compatible with more cards.

> > > I just asked here in the newsgroup and got a bunch of
> > > flames from the "experts".

> > Calling a labour of love "crap" will get you that.

> Labor of love? You guys must be very close to know each other so
intimately.

> There's quite a few developers who's "labor of love" has been called much
> worse than ***by fans of GPL (understatement of the decade).

> > > This is not an exception. SOme time ago someone posted
> > > that he liked the driving model of NFS Porsche - he
> > > got flamed a lot, because "only GPL has an acceptable
> > > driving model".

> > A lot of people commented favourably on NFS:PU, myself included. EA
Sports
> > definately made a step in the rigth direction with this release. I'm
sure
> > anyone saying it had better physics than GPL got a pasting though,
because
> > it just hasn't. GPL, at 18 months old, still has the most advanced
physics
> > found in PC racing simulators. This is not about to change, not before
N4
> > and WSC are released anyway. Might want to get used to that notion.

> Not true. Comments like this are what makes the GPL crowd an annoyance
when
> discussing sims at r.a.s. F12000 has a physics model as complex as GPL's.
> Viper has a very complex physics model. So does RC2000. So does NFS:PU.
> Forget opinions. Check the code and you will see.

> > > I am also annoyed by the quality - or lack thereof - of
> > > the GPL patches. They work only with some of the drivers
> > > and the game tends to be unstable with lots of drivers
> > > that work with other graphic cards. Even mentioning of
> > > those problems generates lots of protests from the GPL
> > > community.

> > Yeah well, unsupported sort of implies "don't come crying if it doesn't
> work
> > on your machine".

> > > Here are some of mine opinions:
> > > -GPL is a great game

> > We already knew that. ;-)

> > > -GPL is too driver sensitive and the patches were not tested properly

> > But on the other hand, no other game allows you to tailor the car to
your
> > own preferences quite as profoundly as GPL.

> Not true again. There are a number of sims which let you do that.

> > > - The game runs too slow in comparison to better looking
> > > games like NFS Porsche.

> > NFS:PU has a lot less to calculate behind the scenes, a lot less often.
To
> > quote Keammer:"it's about how many CPU cycles you're willing to spend on
> > eye-candy".

> Wrong yet again. See above.

> > > -The GPL community defends their game with religious
> > > intolerance, I already know how sensible they will react
> > > to people who will like GP3.

> > 1) Please don't associate religion with intolerance, although the two
> might
> > go together with some (loud) minorities, this is not the case for the
vast
> > majority of people who actively subscribe to a religion.

> > 2) The GPL community is not intolerant towards people with different
> > opinions unless they make a nuiscance of themselves first.

> LOL.

> >The way things
> > are shaping up GP3 might well receive a harsh reception here. However,
> > should this occur, it won't be a reaction of intolerance, rather one of
> > disappointment.

> The harsh reception will be for the same boring reasons as always.

> David G  Fisher

Reggie Brook

Are GPL fans rude and intolerant?

by Reggie Brook » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Your original comment (see below) that I took exception to stated "tailor
the car to your own preferences". It didn't say anything about "setup
options" or "authenticity / realism".

If it's possible to "give the cars a little more stick" in SCGT, and it's
not possible to do it in GPL, then that is but one small example of how SCGT
"allows you to tailor the car to your own preferences" more profoundly than
GPL.

If you were to change your original comment from "tailor the car to your own
preferences" to "setup the car to your own preferences", then I would agree
with you; however, "tailor the car to your own preferences" would include
modifying .veh files, and is not limited to any "setup options" or
"authenticity / realism" restrictions.



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