rec.autos.simulators

[why oh why is everyone picking on me, poor little oh me?????  you gotta
admit David, you love it, or else you would post what you do... so stop
your whining you got exactly what you wanted.... <G>]

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Thanks, we needed that. <G>  I am very familiar with the first part,
just don't recall the experience part before (but oh so true).

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Andre

Yeah, I know!!

I'm in Jersey now; I was born in New York and lived in Pennsylvania for most
of my childhood...

Moved to California in 1980; went to high school there & learned to drive..
some really, really, really good mountain roads there. And go-kart tracks,
which unfortunately, I never took advantage of.

And I'll say this: Driving in total bumper-to-bumper traffic at 80 mph on a
six lane highway for 40 minutes can be pretty exiting!

Andrew

PS Still jealous about that road near you, though.

I never said what a physics model contained. You say that you know
that RC2000 has real life physics because you checked the code.
You never went into details, never gave us examples. Only suggeration.

You're right, my mistake. It was a 1.16 lap which I drove after 2
hours practice.  Here's the original post:

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I'll say it again, 1:16 was the fastest lap I could find, by someone
who is one of the faster drivers among us, and I broke that time
within 2 hours.
And I also don't know what the record time eventually will be.
Guess what? Nobody knows!
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Never said it was the WR, never said it would never be broken, never
claimed it had reached it's limit. It just wasn't very satisfactory
that I was so fast after so little practice. What times would I have
gotten if I kept practicing and tweaking my setups for F1 2000?
And if the F1 2000 physics are so real to life as you say (because you
checked the code :) that would mean that I would be a quite fast
driver in real life, no?

You don't sound happy. You allways whine an complain. I'm glad you are
having an excellent life, but it didn't seem that way.

Andre

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But, lets face it I bet most of us are better in GPL than we would be
in the real cars and we wouldn't live to get a year and a half of
practice.  

Everybody thinks they can sing and everybody thinks they can drive.
I'm just glad the same isn't true with the violin--in the wrong hands
those things can be deadly weapons.

Chris Hansen

No no, I think I was misunderstood.  Somehow, the information gattered in
F12k is impressive, but the physics engine fails to correctly use that data
(which in some cases is false).  You can say the same thing about RC2k, per
example.  I would say that in GPL, the game engine applies those physics in
a much more realistic way.

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Errr play with words.  You know what I tried to say.

<replace impossible by "nearly-impossible unless you are a real F1 driver">

I'm not one, but thanks for the kind words now that I know that I'm the
greatest F1 driver in the world! Whoohoo! ;)  It all goes back to "Is this a
racing or a driving simulation?".

No, there is many things that real drivers never would do because they had
their lives*** on the edge of a cliff behind those wheels.  We are not.
How many times have we Shift-R'ed in two years of GPL? How many of those
times have we suffered from a virtual death?

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how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Only way to be sure what the culprit is, is tweaking those values in
the .veh files. To be honest, since there are more things in F1 2000 I
don't like, I don't bother....

Remco

Lets rephrase for our slower viewers, through the countryside of New York...

Since some people aren't actually reading my posts, and assuming that when I
say driving through the country means sovereign nation, and not
understanding that there are multiple meanings to most words...

Sure anyone could slowly take the car out on the track very slowly and make
a couple laps... I think my quite obvious point was implied that you
couldn't just gun it out of the pits reach speeds of 200 mph, the in 2 weeks
be fast enough to race with the best at Monaco. Most of these "simulations"
you can do just that. I really don't think current F1 cars are much easier
to drive than the 67 ones. Give me a break. It's been said that most people
think that pro racers aren't real athletes, if GP2 (GP3?) is that easy, then
what they do is no big deal. You have to have true talent to drive a F1 car.

nuff' said.

"Driving through the country of New York."

We're driving through the country (low population areas.) of (the property
meaning) New York (as in the state of New York).

I would think that's a pretty easy conclusion to come to.