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  Charlie

I don't have a +1000mhz cpu, but I can't see it making any difference- I
mean the 1.5 mhz P4 that costs X today, in two or three months there's a
1.8mhz AMD or whatever, and vice versa ad infinitum.

Find your budget, and find what's best in that.  Whatever you buy there'll
be faster and cheaper soon after whether it's AMD or Intel.

I am only looking at AMD for myself, as I'm on a budget,, and a 1ghz Tbird
is my limit.

cheers
John

| Besides the avg temp. I dont see enough of a difference to warrant buying
| either one. lol.
|
|   Charlie
|
| > Hello R.A.S. Gurus,
| > Ok. I'm the first and worse to have any idea which is better or
| > faster AMD or Intel? My questions are: Is there really a 'huge'
| > difference between these two in speed, if so how much & are
| > we going to see a *huge* difference in any sim-game or game
| > today or even within a year?
| > Honestly this enquiring mind would like to know! Any & All
| > replies welcome! Even stupid ones! :-) Tia..Thom_j.

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But if you were to compare similar performance, not clock speed, you
have to go to a 1.4-1.5 ghz P4 to get similar performance. Over here,
the cost of a 1.5 ghz P4 is $500 extra, more than double! ($220 vs
$720). Agreed, the P4 comes with 128mb RDRAM, but PC133 SDRAM costs
only $50 now, so that's not an issue.

But back to the question at hand, you won't see much improvement if
you've got a P3 1ghz chip. And if you o'clock it a bit, then the
upgrade becomes even less important.

Wait until the Athlon 4 is out and the price of T-birds comes down, or
for the price of P4's to drop (a LONG way!) if you are a big Intel
fan.

Rafe Mc

My *game* benchmark.

Intel P4 1.5ghz ----------------------------------------------------
AMD 1.33ghz   ----------------------------------------------------

You decide.

| Are you saying that the AMD mobos are pricier than the Intel mobos?
| Probably agree with you if that's what you're saying. But the
| difference is $50 (Australian) extra for the AMD board, against a
| saving of $200 for a 1ghz cpu (P3 vs T-bird) so the AMD wins out.
|
| But if you were to compare similar performance, not clock speed, you
| have to go to a 1.4-1.5 ghz P4 to get similar performance. Over here,
| the cost of a 1.5 ghz P4 is $500 extra, more than double! ($220 vs
| $720). Agreed, the P4 comes with 128mb RDRAM, but PC133 SDRAM costs
| only $50 now, so that's not an issue.
|
| But back to the question at hand, you won't see much improvement if
| you've got a P3 1ghz chip. And if you o'clock it a bit, then the
| upgrade becomes even less important.
|
| Wait until the Athlon 4 is out and the price of T-birds comes down, or
| for the price of P4's to drop (a LONG way!) if you are a big Intel
| fan.
| Rafe Mc

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So what are you asking? If your P3 is running fine for you, why bother even
looking?
My personal opinion is that the Athlon is better for sims. Only due to the
fact that it has a better floating point unit. However the P4 is probably
better for "popular" games, say like Quake and Unreal. Due to the fact that
those games are generally optimized for the P4.

| So what are you asking? If your P3 is running fine for you, why bother
even
| looking?
| My personal opinion is that the Athlon is better for sims. Only due to the
| fact that it has a better floating point unit. However the P4 is probably
| better for "popular" games, say like Quake and Unreal. Due to the fact
that
| those games are generally optimized for the P4.

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Intel P4 1.5ghz ----------------------------------------------------
AMD 1.33ghz  ----------------

I have a PIII-800 on an Asus CUSL2-C motherboard.  Intel chip using an Intel
chipset.  No problems with this setup.  Easy to setup and runs like a champ.

AMD relies on third party companies (Viatech and Ali Magik) for their
chipsets.  Big difference here.  Try to keep up with Viatech's 4in1 files.
Ugh.  Can't they get it right?  How many upgrades are needed?

In my experience Intel cost more but run  much cooler, are more trouble-free
and reliable.  How many professional servers do you know running AMD in
their computers?

Another way to view the difference is to monitor the several news groups
dedicated to various motherboards.  For instance, check out either of these
newgroups:

alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.abit
alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus

Very few posts are regarding Intel-based versions of each of these big name
motherboard manufactureres.  Ninety percent of the problems posted there
deal with AMD and how to get the darn thing to run right.  That's gotta tell
you something.

Like the old saying, "You get what you pay for."

Bob