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An interesting German article, mentioning that Schumacher uses throttle and
brake at the same time. Particularly interesting for this particular topic
are paragraphs 3,4 and 5.

Achim

Very, VERY rough translation from Babelfish:

(F1Total.com) - over the last years Michael Schumacher again and again
proved its exception position in the formula 1. The Ferrari pilot belongs to
the best Formel-1-Fahrern of all times and not without reason, as the
specialized magazine could point ' F1 out Racing ' now in a unique analysis.
One could show on the basis telemetry data of the Italian Formel-1-Teams,
how the German deals unbelievably sensitivly and flexibly with gas and brake
pedal. Particularly impressing the comparison is on the basis the data of
the 180-Kehre in Suzuka, a distance, on which Michael Schumacher exceeds
again and again over itself. In principle Rubens Barrichellos style of
driving affects compared with that one from Schumacher the telemetry data
"simply" - "Rubinho" is now real no bad driver. The Brazilian rises before
the curve 15 meters in former times to the brake and gives above all either
gas or brakes. With the world champion looks completely differently. Michael
Schumacher stops clearly longer fully on the gas than Barrichello, but
begins it however before the actual "correct" braking for the hairpin curve
the car with an employment of the brake from only five per cent to to
stabilize. In the curve goes to Barrichello fully from the gas, Schumacher
gives however constantly gas and "plays" with brake and gas, in order to get
the car as fast and stably as possible around the curve. Even in the exit of
the curve Michael Schumacher uses the brake. While Rubens Barrichello tries
to prevent the car by removal of gas from breaking out the German gives
substantially more gases and counterbalances its Ferrari with easy braking.
Alone in this curve is the champion 25 kilometers per hour faster on the way
than Barrichello, which loses 0.3 seconds. Apart from the fact that Rubens
Barrichello brakes either or gives gas and quite frequently both pedals
parallel uses Michael Schumacher in contrast to it, a further difference is
noticeable. Thus Schumacher applies brakes gently a curve mostly later and
stabilizes the car, in which he gives further easily gas, what works at
first sight counter productive, but but ensures that Schumacher can brake
later, without control of his car to lose and cleanly give in can. While
Rubens Barrichello applies brakes gently, speaks a curve nearly "linear"
first strong pressure on the brake pedal constructs and this then
continuously lowers, in order to avoid a blocking of the front wheels,
Schumacher in the braking reduces briefly the brake pressure, in order to
lend to the wheels again more adhesion. Thus Schumacher brings more in into
the hairpin curve of Montreal with 15 kilometers per hour than Barrichello.
And during Schumacher before the apex five meters at all no gas are, are
there with the Brazilian of ten meters. But everything is not gold which
shines. Thus Michael Schumacher with its driving fashion stresses the
material more strongly than Barrichello. The front tires are more strongly
loaded, because Schumacher brakes more strongly and faster in-driven into
the curves. This caused in some past running that the Kerpener could not
drive with the softer tire mixture, Rubens Barrichello however already. Also
the brakes and the engine are more strongly loaded, because Schumacher
brakes at the same time and gives gas. And also gasoline consumption might
be higher with Schumacher by this fact than with the Brazilian. But if it
comes *** hard, as in Montreal, when the brakes over their limit were,
Michael Schumacher can change its style of driving over completely and
preserve the brakes thereby. That constitutes evenly a genuine world
champion.

Eldred
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Interestingly, NetKar is another sim in which that driving technique can
make a difference.

Regards
Mr. Sylvestre (puzzled)

Achim

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I've always wondered why some say this technique isn't realistic. I've even
tried it myself in cars and carts (while I was still slender enough to drive
carts fast <g>) and while I wasn't getting anywhere with it in 3-pedal cars,
it worked well in carts. I've AAMOF always thought that _everybody_ is usung
this technique, until I read about it allegedly being 'unrealistic' here.

Achim

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See here (1997):  http://e46m3performance.com/installs/pedal/page3.htm

Also, iianm, NASCAR drivers use the brake against full throttle to draft
at the superspeedways, do they not?

Don D in KC

I certainly heard that MS was doing it at least 4 years ago, and am
pretty sure some other F1 drivers do it too.
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Andrew

I think racecar drivers use both feet on the gas and brake more like a
highway driver might feather the gas and the clutch in a manual
transmission.  If you've ever stopped on a grade you know that with the
clutch in, you will start to slide downhill if you take your foot off the
brake.  To avoid that you can feather the gas and clutch together to
maintain your position.  

"There would be a lot more civility in this world if people
 didn't take that as an invitation to walk all over you"
                   - (Calvin and Hobbes)

Jason

Geez, I didn't realise Schuey had been around so long! ;-)
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Andrew

To avoid that you can feather the gas and clutch together to