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GTR2002 FFB question

Marc Collin

GTR2002 FFB question

by Marc Collin » Tue, 03 Dec 2002 01:12:38

Donated my 10 pounds BEFORE I was able to download this monster!

Looks amazing as expected.

One ***: I find the shaking/vibrating steering wheel effect detracts
from the rest of the FFB--is there a way to turn it off but leave the rest?

Thanks,

Marc

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Dave Henri

GTR2002 FFB question

by Dave Henri » Tue, 03 Dec 2002 01:20:34


   There are about 4 or 5 levels of FF settings  Full gives you the
vibrating wheel, try either High or medium.  also the lower you choose this
setting, the better your FPS should be(or so I've been told)
dave henrie

Damien Smit

GTR2002 FFB question

by Damien Smit » Tue, 03 Dec 2002 08:19:58

rest?

I only get shaking/vibrating whenever I run over a ripple (rumble?) strip.
Is that what you're referring to?

Dave Henri

GTR2002 FFB question

by Dave Henri » Tue, 03 Dec 2002 12:22:38

  reduce your ff effects from high to medium or low.
(drop down box on the ff screens.)
dave henrie

sheesh  about the 3rd time this has been answered  LOL


Haqsa

GTR2002 FFB question

by Haqsa » Tue, 03 Dec 2002 13:06:06

Be prepared - all the same old questions about how to set up F1 2002 are
now going to be asked again.  And again... and again...

Actually I noticed the default control setup for the Momo really was
bad.  Although I suppose that was at least in part due to the fact that
I was using it with a Momo Racing wheel rather than a Momo Force.  But
anyway, I think there are still a lot of misconceptions about how to set
this game up, so for any interested people, let's go through this again:

Set your speed sensitivity (under controller rates) to 5% or less.  Zero
is best, but sometimes a small amount will help add a little stability
at speed.

Go into the controller menu and set all the axes to 50% and all the
deadzones to 0%.  This makes everything nice and linear.

If you now find the steering to be too fast, reduce the steering lock in
the vehicle setup menu.  Using the axis sensitivity or speed sensitivity
to change the steering ratio is going to cause all kinds of *** side
effects.

Go into the force feedback menu.  Logitech wheels (and I don't know how
many others) require the force feedback slider to be negative.  Try
somewhere between -70% to -100%.

Again in the force feedback menu, make sure type is set to Wheel
(assuming you have one).

The force feedback "Effects" control sets the amount of bumps and
vibrations ONLY, it does not affect the steering force.  Most people
will want this set to medium or lower.  If you don't like bumps, turn it
off.

Hope that helps,
Haqsau


Marc Collin

GTR2002 FFB question

by Marc Collin » Tue, 03 Dec 2002 13:01:59

No--it's there all the time, like a bad/overdone simulation of the rough
idle of a sports car.

Marc


Marc Collin

GTR2002 FFB question

by Marc Collin » Tue, 03 Dec 2002 13:02:32

I'll try that.  Is there a list of what each level turns on/off?

Marc




> > Donated my 10 pounds BEFORE I was able to download this monster!

> > Looks amazing as expected.

> > One ***: I find the shaking/vibrating steering wheel effect detracts
> > from the rest of the FFB--is there a way to turn it off but leave the
> rest?

> > Thanks,

> > Marc
>    There are about 4 or 5 levels of FF settings  Full gives you the
> vibrating wheel, try either High or medium.  also the lower you choose
this
> setting, the better your FPS should be(or so I've been told)
> dave henrie

Damien Smit

GTR2002 FFB question

by Damien Smit » Tue, 03 Dec 2002 13:54:22

This advice is pure gold - it should be pinned to the top of the SBDT forum.
Marc Collin

GTR2002 FFB question

by Marc Collin » Wed, 04 Dec 2002 02:21:19

I already had done all of that (I am an old hand at this if you didn't
know).  Still got horridly overdone vibrations trying to simulate a rough
idle I guess.  Can you tell us what gets turned off as you lower the
settings from Full to High to Medium to Low?  I only want to turn off the
annoying vibration, not any of the useful FFB!!!!

Marc


> Be prepared - all the same old questions about how to set up F1 2002 are
> now going to be asked again.  And again... and again...

> Actually I noticed the default control setup for the Momo really was
> bad.  Although I suppose that was at least in part due to the fact that
> I was using it with a Momo Racing wheel rather than a Momo Force.  But
> anyway, I think there are still a lot of misconceptions about how to set
> this game up, so for any interested people, let's go through this again:

> Set your speed sensitivity (under controller rates) to 5% or less.  Zero
> is best, but sometimes a small amount will help add a little stability
> at speed.

> Go into the controller menu and set all the axes to 50% and all the
> deadzones to 0%.  This makes everything nice and linear.

> If you now find the steering to be too fast, reduce the steering lock in
> the vehicle setup menu.  Using the axis sensitivity or speed sensitivity
> to change the steering ratio is going to cause all kinds of *** side
> effects.

> Go into the force feedback menu.  Logitech wheels (and I don't know how
> many others) require the force feedback slider to be negative.  Try
> somewhere between -70% to -100%.

> Again in the force feedback menu, make sure type is set to Wheel
> (assuming you have one).

> The force feedback "Effects" control sets the amount of bumps and
> vibrations ONLY, it does not affect the steering force.  Most people
> will want this set to medium or lower.  If you don't like bumps, turn it
> off.

> Hope that helps,
> Haqsau



> >   reduce your ff effects from high to medium or low.
> > (drop down box on the ff screens.)
> > dave henrie

> > sheesh  about the 3rd time this has been answered  LOL

Dave Henri

GTR2002 FFB question

by Dave Henri » Wed, 04 Dec 2002 03:02:29

   In the huge tail-end of the .plr file are all the ff settings.  If you
dig through there, you should find a line or two about ffb through the wheel
and ffb through the pedals  or something similar.  You can edit those
values.  Trust me BACK UP your file first.  Messing with some values
affect(effect?) other parameters and result in seriously ***Y ffb.
  I get sleep anoxia when I see so many variables on a page so I stayed away
from editing that.
dave henrie

> I already had done all of that (I am an old hand at this if you didn't
> know).  Still got horridly overdone vibrations trying to simulate a rough
> idle I guess.  Can you tell us what gets turned off as you lower the
> settings from Full to High to Medium to Low?  I only want to turn off the
> annoying vibration, not any of the useful FFB!!!!

> Marc



> > Be prepared - all the same old questions about how to set up F1 2002 are
> > now going to be asked again.  And again... and again...

> > Actually I noticed the default control setup for the Momo really was
> > bad.  Although I suppose that was at least in part due to the fact that
> > I was using it with a Momo Racing wheel rather than a Momo Force.  But
> > anyway, I think there are still a lot of misconceptions about how to set
> > this game up, so for any interested people, let's go through this again:

> > Set your speed sensitivity (under controller rates) to 5% or less.  Zero
> > is best, but sometimes a small amount will help add a little stability
> > at speed.

> > Go into the controller menu and set all the axes to 50% and all the
> > deadzones to 0%.  This makes everything nice and linear.

> > If you now find the steering to be too fast, reduce the steering lock in
> > the vehicle setup menu.  Using the axis sensitivity or speed sensitivity
> > to change the steering ratio is going to cause all kinds of *** side
> > effects.

> > Go into the force feedback menu.  Logitech wheels (and I don't know how
> > many others) require the force feedback slider to be negative.  Try
> > somewhere between -70% to -100%.

> > Again in the force feedback menu, make sure type is set to Wheel
> > (assuming you have one).

> > The force feedback "Effects" control sets the amount of bumps and
> > vibrations ONLY, it does not affect the steering force.  Most people
> > will want this set to medium or lower.  If you don't like bumps, turn it
> > off.

> > Hope that helps,
> > Haqsau



> > >   reduce your ff effects from high to medium or low.
> > > (drop down box on the ff screens.)
> > > dave henrie

> > > sheesh  about the 3rd time this has been answered  LOL

Marc Collin

GTR2002 FFB question

by Marc Collin » Wed, 04 Dec 2002 03:14:16

Thanks...just looked in there and I see what you mean.  But there are values
relating to exactly this, so I will test.

Marc


>    In the huge tail-end of the .plr file are all the ff settings.  If you
> dig through there, you should find a line or two about ffb through the
wheel
> and ffb through the pedals  or something similar.  You can edit those
> values.  Trust me BACK UP your file first.  Messing with some values
> affect(effect?) other parameters and result in seriously ***Y ffb.
>   I get sleep anoxia when I see so many variables on a page so I stayed
away
> from editing that.
> dave henrie


> > I already had done all of that (I am an old hand at this if you didn't
> > know).  Still got horridly overdone vibrations trying to simulate a
rough
> > idle I guess.  Can you tell us what gets turned off as you lower the
> > settings from Full to High to Medium to Low?  I only want to turn off
the
> > annoying vibration, not any of the useful FFB!!!!

> > Marc



> > > Be prepared - all the same old questions about how to set up F1 2002
are
> > > now going to be asked again.  And again... and again...

> > > Actually I noticed the default control setup for the Momo really was
> > > bad.  Although I suppose that was at least in part due to the fact
that
> > > I was using it with a Momo Racing wheel rather than a Momo Force.  But
> > > anyway, I think there are still a lot of misconceptions about how to
set
> > > this game up, so for any interested people, let's go through this
again:

> > > Set your speed sensitivity (under controller rates) to 5% or less.
Zero
> > > is best, but sometimes a small amount will help add a little stability
> > > at speed.

> > > Go into the controller menu and set all the axes to 50% and all the
> > > deadzones to 0%.  This makes everything nice and linear.

> > > If you now find the steering to be too fast, reduce the steering lock
in
> > > the vehicle setup menu.  Using the axis sensitivity or speed
sensitivity
> > > to change the steering ratio is going to cause all kinds of *** side
> > > effects.

> > > Go into the force feedback menu.  Logitech wheels (and I don't know
how
> > > many others) require the force feedback slider to be negative.  Try
> > > somewhere between -70% to -100%.

> > > Again in the force feedback menu, make sure type is set to Wheel
> > > (assuming you have one).

> > > The force feedback "Effects" control sets the amount of bumps and
> > > vibrations ONLY, it does not affect the steering force.  Most people
> > > will want this set to medium or lower.  If you don't like bumps, turn
it
> > > off.

> > > Hope that helps,
> > > Haqsau



> > > >   reduce your ff effects from high to medium or low.
> > > > (drop down box on the ff screens.)
> > > > dave henrie

> > > > sheesh  about the 3rd time this has been answered  LOL

Marc Collin

GTR2002 FFB question

by Marc Collin » Wed, 04 Dec 2002 03:51:04

None of the relevant values seem to have any effect :(

Marc


> Thanks...just looked in there and I see what you mean.  But there are
values
> relating to exactly this, so I will test.

> Marc



> >    In the huge tail-end of the .plr file are all the ff settings.  If
you
> > dig through there, you should find a line or two about ffb through the
> wheel
> > and ffb through the pedals  or something similar.  You can edit those
> > values.  Trust me BACK UP your file first.  Messing with some values
> > affect(effect?) other parameters and result in seriously ***Y ffb.
> >   I get sleep anoxia when I see so many variables on a page so I stayed
> away
> > from editing that.
> > dave henrie


> > > I already had done all of that (I am an old hand at this if you didn't
> > > know).  Still got horridly overdone vibrations trying to simulate a
> rough
> > > idle I guess.  Can you tell us what gets turned off as you lower the
> > > settings from Full to High to Medium to Low?  I only want to turn off
> the
> > > annoying vibration, not any of the useful FFB!!!!

> > > Marc



> > > > Be prepared - all the same old questions about how to set up F1 2002
> are
> > > > now going to be asked again.  And again... and again...

> > > > Actually I noticed the default control setup for the Momo really was
> > > > bad.  Although I suppose that was at least in part due to the fact
> that
> > > > I was using it with a Momo Racing wheel rather than a Momo Force.
But
> > > > anyway, I think there are still a lot of misconceptions about how to
> set
> > > > this game up, so for any interested people, let's go through this
> again:

> > > > Set your speed sensitivity (under controller rates) to 5% or less.
> Zero
> > > > is best, but sometimes a small amount will help add a little
stability
> > > > at speed.

> > > > Go into the controller menu and set all the axes to 50% and all the
> > > > deadzones to 0%.  This makes everything nice and linear.

> > > > If you now find the steering to be too fast, reduce the steering
lock
> in
> > > > the vehicle setup menu.  Using the axis sensitivity or speed
> sensitivity
> > > > to change the steering ratio is going to cause all kinds of ***
side
> > > > effects.

> > > > Go into the force feedback menu.  Logitech wheels (and I don't know
> how
> > > > many others) require the force feedback slider to be negative.  Try
> > > > somewhere between -70% to -100%.

> > > > Again in the force feedback menu, make sure type is set to Wheel
> > > > (assuming you have one).

> > > > The force feedback "Effects" control sets the amount of bumps and
> > > > vibrations ONLY, it does not affect the steering force.  Most people
> > > > will want this set to medium or lower.  If you don't like bumps,
turn
> it
> > > > off.

> > > > Hope that helps,
> > > > Haqsau



> > > > >   reduce your ff effects from high to medium or low.
> > > > > (drop down box on the ff screens.)
> > > > > dave henrie

> > > > > sheesh  about the 3rd time this has been answered  LOL

Haqsa

GTR2002 FFB question

by Haqsa » Wed, 04 Dec 2002 10:19:44

When hand editing values, you have to do two things:

1) Make sure the first two lines of the FF settings look like this:

FFB Device Type="2" // Type of FFB controller: 0=none 1=wheel,
2=stick/custom, 3=rumble pad.
FFB Effects Level="5" // Number of FFB effects to use: 0=No Effects,
1=Low, 2=Medium, 3=High, 4=Full, 5=Custom.

Otherwise your custom settings will be ignored.

2) Once you have edited them never ever return to the in-game FF menu or
all your settings will get wiped out.

Good luck,
Hal


Marc Collin

GTR2002 FFB question

by Marc Collin » Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:09:12

OK--I tried changing the effects level to custom assuming the settings must
be ignored (since that's what it felt like!), but missed the device type!

Thanks,

Marc


> When hand editing values, you have to do two things:

> 1) Make sure the first two lines of the FF settings look like this:

> FFB Device Type="2" // Type of FFB controller: 0=none 1=wheel,
> 2=stick/custom, 3=rumble pad.
> FFB Effects Level="5" // Number of FFB effects to use: 0=No Effects,
> 1=Low, 2=Medium, 3=High, 4=Full, 5=Custom.

> Otherwise your custom settings will be ignored.

> 2) Once you have edited them never ever return to the in-game FF menu or
> all your settings will get wiped out.

> Good luck,
> Hal



> > None of the relevant values seem to have any effect :(

> > Marc

Marc Collin

GTR2002 FFB question

by Marc Collin » Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:23:18

Here is an except from my .PLR file.  Still have an "idle vibration" despite
setting it so that I wouldn't (I thought)!

FFB Device Type="2" // Type of FFB controller: 0=none 1=wheel,
2=stick/custom, 3=rumble pad.
FFB Effects Level="5" // Number of FFB effects to use: 0=No Effects, 1=Low,
2=Medium, 3=High, 4=Full, 5=Custom.
FFB Gain="1.00000" // Strength of Force Feedback effects.  Range 0.0 to 1.0.
FFB Throttle FX on steer axis="1" // 0 = Throttle effects on throttle axis,
1 = throttle effects on steering axis.
FFB Brake FX on steer axis="1" // 0 = Brake effects on brake axis, 1 = brake
effects on steering axis.
FFB steer vibe freq mult="0.00000" // Controls frequency of steering
vibration. Recommended: 0.5 to 1.0, 0.0 disables steering vibration.
FFB steer vibe zero magnitude="0.00000" // Magnitude of steering vibration
at 0mph (reference point).
FFB steer vibe slope="0.00000" // Slope of line defining magnitude as a
function of frequency (used with FFB steer vibe zero magnitude).
FFB steer vibe wave type="0" // Type of wave to use for vibe: 0=Sine,
1=Square, 2=Triangle, 3=Sawtooth up, 4=Sawtooth down.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Marc


> When hand editing values, you have to do two things:

> 1) Make sure the first two lines of the FF settings look like this:

> FFB Device Type="2" // Type of FFB controller: 0=none 1=wheel,
> 2=stick/custom, 3=rumble pad.
> FFB Effects Level="5" // Number of FFB effects to use: 0=No Effects,
> 1=Low, 2=Medium, 3=High, 4=Full, 5=Custom.

> Otherwise your custom settings will be ignored.

> 2) Once you have edited them never ever return to the in-game FF menu or
> all your settings will get wiped out.

> Good luck,
> Hal



> > None of the relevant values seem to have any effect :(

> > Marc


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