rec.autos.simulators

| I think if anyone here at r.a.s. actually had the guts (impossible) to
tell
| one of todays F1 drivers that modern F1 was all car and little driver,
that
| driver would laugh in their face and then tell them to "piss off you
fool".
| If someone here told them that what they were doing was easy compared to
| drivers in the past, they'd call them an old timer who's stuck in the past
| and doesn't have a clue.
|
| Whenever I hear someone try and put down what an F1 driver of today is
| doing, I'm reminded of an old time NFL star player named Chuck Bednarick.
| Whenever he's given the chance, he goes on and on about how the players in
| his era (the 60's) were better and tougher than today's players. Senile
| Chuck doesn't have a clue that he wouldn't even sniff a roster spot on a
| modern NFL team. He'd be lucky to be allowed to paint the lines on the
| field.
|
| Just like Chuck, I don't think many of the drivers from the past would be
| able to compete in today's F1.
|
| Old time brain surgeons were better than those of today because all they
| needed to operate was a rusty butter knife. Astronauts of today don't
really
| do anything because of all the technology. They just sit there and drink
| Tang. Fred Flintstone was the greatest driver of all time. That guy could
do
| it all in the most basic car ever created.
|
| Ed, to be honest, I think you and just about everyone else here at r.a.s.
| would probably shit your pants on the first lap if given the chance to
drive
| MS's Ferrari. Your head would feel like it's being ripped off. Your body
| would be battered and bruised. You'd rather have your nuts cut off then
even
| consider braking at the 100 meter mark when doing 180mph. You wouldn't get
| within a million miles of pushing *the limit*, and therefor still wouldn't
| have any idea what an F1 driver of today is doing. They are the best
drivers
| in the world. The cars are the best in the world. That's why F1 draws 350
| million viewers per race. It's an ENORMOUS success. Name another sporting
| event which even comes close. NASCAR draws a measly (in comparison) 8-13
| million per race.
|
| To all the Fred Flintsones in this group, please stop living in the past.
|
| David G Fisher
|
|
| > Do you actually think *any* of todays F1 drivers (apart from Jacques
that
| > is) would say any thing else ??   --   Does Bernie Ecclestone ring a
| bell??
| >
| > If you want an honest oppinion on F1 - go ask someone who *used* to do
it.
| >
| > --
| > ed_
| >
| > DGF'ed:
| >
| > > For those who go on and on and on and on and on and on about which sim
| is
| > so
| > > realistic compared to all others, here's a little shot of perspective.
| He
| > > also responds to the whiners who say F1 is all technology, and little
| > about
| > > the actual drivers.
| >
| >
|

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David G Fisher

David G Fisher

| amazing how some people in this ng can take a fairly irreverent post and
| make WW3 out of it . . .

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| We'll try and get it to pre-school level so you can finally contribute
| something worthwhile.
|
| David G Fisher
|
| > OMG it's getting easier & easier.. hahaha swooosh!

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| Yes, you're right. It's obvious from my Fred Flintstone and butter knife
| comments that I was very upset when I wrote that post.
|
| David G Fisher
|
| > amazing how some people in this ng can take a fairly irreverent post and
| > make WW3 out of it . . .
| >

| > > I think if anyone here at r.a.s. actually had the guts (impossible) to
| > tell
| > > one of todays F1 drivers that modern F1 was all car and little driver,
| > that
| > > driver would laugh in their face and then tell them to "piss off you
| > fool".
| > > If someone here told them that what they were doing was easy compared
to
| > > drivers in the past, they'd call them an old timer who's stuck in the
| past
| > > and doesn't have a clue.
| > >
| > > Whenever I hear someone try and put down what an F1 driver of today is
| > > doing, I'm reminded of an old time NFL star player named Chuck
| Bednarick.
| > > Whenever he's given the chance, he goes on and on about how the
players
| in
| > > his era (the 60's) were better and tougher than today's players.
Senile
| > > Chuck doesn't have a clue that he wouldn't even sniff a roster spot on
a
| > > modern NFL team. He'd be lucky to be allowed to paint the lines on the
| > > field.
| > >
| > > Just like Chuck, I don't think many of the drivers from the past would
| be
| > > able to compete in today's F1.
| > >
| > > Old time brain surgeons were better than those of today because all
they
| > > needed to operate was a rusty butter knife. Astronauts of today don't
| > really
| > > do anything because of all the technology. They just sit there and
drink
| > > Tang. Fred Flintstone was the greatest driver of all time. That guy
| could
| > do
| > > it all in the most basic car ever created.
| > >
| > > Ed, to be honest, I think you and just about everyone else here at
| r.a.s.
| > > would probably shit your pants on the first lap if given the chance to
| > drive
| > > MS's Ferrari. Your head would feel like it's being ripped off. Your
body
| > > would be battered and bruised. You'd rather have your nuts cut off
then
| > even
| > > consider braking at the 100 meter mark when doing 180mph. You wouldn't
| get
| > > within a million miles of pushing *the limit*, and therefor still
| wouldn't
| > > have any idea what an F1 driver of today is doing. They are the best
| > drivers
| > > in the world. The cars are the best in the world. That's why F1 draws
| 350
| > > million viewers per race. It's an ENORMOUS success. Name another
| sporting
| > > event which even comes close. NASCAR draws a measly (in comparison)
8-13
| > > million per race.
| > >
| > > To all the Fred Flintsones in this group, please stop living in the
| past.
| > >
| > > David G Fisher
| > >
| > >

| > > > Do you actually think *any* of todays F1 drivers (apart from Jacques
| > that
| > > > is) would say any thing else ??   --   Does Bernie Ecclestone ring a
| > > bell??
| > > >
| > > > If you want an honest oppinion on F1 - go ask someone who *used* to
do
| > it.
| > > >
| > > > --
| > > > ed_
| > > >
| > > > DGF'ed:
| > > >
| > > > > For those who go on and on and on and on and on and on about which
| sim
| > > is
| > > > so
| > > > > realistic compared to all others, here's a little shot of
| perspective.
| > > He
| > > > > also responds to the whiners who say F1 is all technology, and
| little
| > > > about
| > > > > the actual drivers.
| > > >
| > > >
| > >
| >
| >
|

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| On a semi-related note, did you see Ralf's first season in F1?
|
| --
| Cheers!
| Graeme Nash

| >RS has three wins, a second, a fourth, and a fifth. JM has two seconds
and a
| >fourth. He crashed out of a few races due soley to driver error. RS has
no
| >such incidences. When it comes to race results, it's not even close.
|

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Jan.
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"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

The whole "taking it easy"' bit was debunked by Mario Thiessen of BMW,
who blamed the long pit stop. Patrick Head even said they were using
the same revs.

 Scott Johnson
 "Science suggests that beer and 98 degree heat do not enhance your
  swimming ability, but I think it's a really, really good idea for
  people to test that theory as often as possible.  What are you, a
  ***?  You can do it, champ."
   -- Rev. Syd Midnight

 Scott Johnson
 "Science suggests that beer and 98 degree heat do not enhance your
  swimming ability, but I think it's a really, really good idea for
  people to test that theory as often as possible.  What are you, a
  ***?  You can do it, champ."
   -- Rev. Syd Midnight

However, having said that....  what do you think is the easiest:

A) Feel the exact correct time and place to grab the gearstick, lift the
throttle just enough, engage the correct gear, match the correct rev's and
get on the the throttle again at the correct time - not a 10th to early -
not  10th to late.     Repeat this 50 times a lap - 70 laps a race.

- or -

B) Push a button each time you want to gear up a gear - push another button
each time you want to go down *several* gears. Repeat this 30 times a lap -
70 laps a race

Seeing you're so fond of them...  here's a few quotes for you:

"Every time you bring in a driver aid, you're widening the area of abilities
which can take part and perform" - John Surtees

" I acknowledge that it's difficult for someone of my period to make an
outright statement because I haven't driven one of the current F1 cars. But
people with no previous experience can get up to good a speed so quickly,
which suggests reaching 90 per cent in an F1 is not that difficult now."  -
John Surtees

"I think I first tried it in September 1991, and I was amazed. The
traditional way into a corner was to brake, wait a little bit, and then
control the throttle with the foot, balancing between power and traction out
of the corner. But with traction control you could brake then immediantly
put your foot down and wait because the electronics were doing everything.
You didn't have to care how to manage the power"  - Ricardo Patrese

"I have the impression things have been done in the last year to make it
possible for more people to drive an F1 car.  Some years ago it was like
climbing a mountain to reach F1. You had to be good - no, you had to be
*special* - to be quick in a grand prix car."    - Ricardo Patrese

"Over a race distance, it helps because traction control is always perfect,
whereas a human will make errors."   - Ricardo Patrese

"Traction Control meant a driver could be much more confidentthat he wasn't
going to have the back end step out unexpectedly. An even more significant
aspect is that, over a period of running on a set of tyres, the rate at
which they degrade is much reduced if you're running traction control"  -
Patrick Head

Source: MotorSport magazine, March 2001 - "Farewell to crossed arms"

--
ed_

DGF'ed:

--

Ian P
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leggo that ego!

(Scant comfort, I know, but do with it what you can.  In a war the size of
WW3, you'll find the bunker full of strange allies indeed.)

--David