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by **Rafe McAulif** » Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:02:33

True. But my money's on JPM winning the driver's title in 2003. Not
RS.

Rafe Mc

On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:28:33 GMT, "David G Fisher"

>Some facts.

>RS has out qualified JM in nine of the 12 races, usually by .5 to .9
>seconds. In the three races JM qualified higher than RS, he did it by a
>COMBINED total of two tenths of a second. When it comes to qualifying, it's
>not even close.

>RS has three wins, a second, a fourth, and a fifth. JM has two seconds and a
>fourth. He crashed out of a few races due soley to driver error. RS has no
>such incidences. When it comes to race results, it's not even close.

>David G Fisher

>> On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:05:35 GMT, "David G Fisher"

>> > RS outperforms JPM.

>> You watching the same F1 as me?

>> Scott Johnson
>> "Science suggests that beer and 98 degree heat do not enhance your
>> swimming ability, but I think it's a really, really good idea for
>> people to test that theory as often as possible. What are you, a
>> ***? You can do it, champ."
>> -- Rev. Syd Midnight

by **rik anthra** » Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:17:59

MS: I would do something very simple: Reduce the aerodynamical grip,
increase the mechanical one. That would in my eyes increase the possibility
to overtake, and that is something we all would like to see.

YES!!
I agree 100%!

by **Asbj?rn Bj?rnst** » Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:31:15

Whoa! Whats next? Oil sprinklers around the track? Rotating knives in
the hubs? Rocket launchers on the sidepods?

Maybe I should try to get a cable package that includes F1 after all...
--
-asbjxrn

by **Ed Solhei** » Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:50:39

Do you actually think *any* of todays F1 drivers (apart from Jacques that
is) would say any thing else ?? -- Does Bernie Ecclestone ring a bell??

If you want an honest oppinion on F1 - go ask someone who *used* to do it.

--
ed_

DGF'ed:

by **Mario Petrinovi** » Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:42:33

In development teams usually use second driver just for testing
new ideas. We'll see in the future who is better.

by **Thom j** » Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:40:23

Touche` ed_ Touche` :)

| Do you actually think *any* of todays F1 drivers (apart from Jacques that
| is) would say any thing else ?? -- Does Bernie Ecclestone ring a
bell??
|
| If you want an honest oppinion on F1 - go ask someone who *used* to do it.
|
| --
| ed_

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by **Todd Sorense** » Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:31:05

> > MS: In a way it is a dangerous sport, sure. Namely, in the way that you
> > cannot eliminate all risks to 100 per cent. But we work hard to minimise
> > that percentage.

> Whoa! Whats next? Oil sprinklers around the track? Rotating knives in
> the hubs? Rocket launchers on the sidepods?

> Maybe I should try to get a cable package that includes F1 after all...

Get it quick. Availability for next year is in question, at least here in
the states.

Todd

by **Cliff Roma** » Sat, 18 Aug 2001 00:34:56

David, you are the one that jumped the gun and pounced on the guy.

He specifically stated in the original post "that I have ever personally
watched were"

It stated right up front for you to see.. so if in your words " Uh, what's
the point of listing the best drivers you've seen", why did you even comment
then? Were you just trolling?

> How stupid of me to make that mistake.

> Uh, what's the point of listing the best drivers you've seen.......in
> person? You can see a hell of a lot more on TV than you can at an actual
> race, or a baseball game, or an NFL game, or.........

> David G Fisher

> > On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:11:56 GMT, "David G Fisher"

> > >By not including Schumacher on the list as one of the greatest drivers,
> I'm
> > >afraid to say that you MUST be living in the past just a little too
much.

> > Settle down David. I listed the drivers I thought were best of
> > those I had personally WATCHED race. As in --- 'In Person'.

> > Sheesh.

by **Top Sirlo** » Sat, 18 Aug 2001 00:46:08

Sorry, but this is USENET. :-)

RS also has the benefit of driving a Williams several years in a row, along with
all of the tracks - that JPM has managed to outqualify him despite these
advantages show that he's damn fast.

They're both so quick it's academic at this point to say which one is faster.
_Next year_ (as another poster pointed out) we'll have a better feel as to whom
is quicker.

Race results aren't a fair comparison as JPM has had horrible luck with
equipment and other drivers - he only took himself out at Monaco and Canada.

JPM could easily have two wins, two seconds, and a fourth at this point.

-Scott Johnson
Fry Mumia
http://www.danielfaulkner.com

by **Gerry Aitke** » Sat, 18 Aug 2001 01:27:36

> > Some facts.

> Sorry, but this is USENET. :-)

LOL! We all know DGF hates JPM because he plays GPL...and that's a fact
;).

Gerry

by **Thom j** » Sat, 18 Aug 2001 03:09:34

I sware, I will not "say" one word! :)

| David,
<znipped>
| Were you just trolling?

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by **Thom j** » Sat, 18 Aug 2001 03:15:07

LOL, Gerry!! This is too Funny!! :)

| LOL! We all know DGF hates JPM because he plays GPL...and that's a fact
| ;).
|
| Gerry

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by **Peter Ive** » Sat, 18 Aug 2001 03:06:00

<snip>

Spot on Jan. Last week I just happened to catch the first part of a
racing series called 'Racing Arrows' here on tv - next part on Carlton
at 12pm tonight if anyone's interested - and, I think it was the team
director, was asked a very similar question. Surprisingly he reckoned
it was something like 90% car and 10% driver these days.

Obviously some may say it's only Arrows so what does he know <g>, but
developers will more than likely err on the side of 'it's more the car',
whilst drivers will be inclined to lean towards 'it's more the driver'.
Why on earth would Shuey want to believe that he has very little to do
with getting the car to go fast? Why would he want to sell himself
short?
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by **Marty U'Re** » Sat, 18 Aug 2001 03:41:34

> >You don't think that a 32 year old man who had a privileged upbringing in
> >Germany, and loves auto racing, knows what driving sims/games are, and what
> >it would take to evaluate them?

> Privileged upbringing? Schumacher's parents owned a Go-Kart track.

Maybe privileged compared to soooooooooooome people's upbringing.

Marty

by **Marty U'Re** » Sat, 18 Aug 2001 03:43:37

Good point. We should never assume car in a team are equal.

Marty

> In development teams usually use second driver just for testing
> new ideas. We'll see in the future who is better.

> > Some facts.

> > RS has out qualified JM in nine of the 12 races, usually by .5 to .9
> > seconds. In the three races JM qualified higher than RS, he did it by a
> > COMBINED total of two tenths of a second. When it comes to qualifying,
> it's
> > not even close.

> > RS has three wins, a second, a fourth, and a fifth. JM has two seconds and
> a
> > fourth. He crashed out of a few races due soley to driver error. RS has no
> > such incidences. When it comes to race results, it's not even close.

> > David G Fisher

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