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Colin
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Further research seems to show that ALL the drivers in the race got charged
with all 9 incidents! This can't be right!
Vintook
> > Gents, I just ran a frankly awful league race at the Glen - there were 9
> > yellows in the race, and I got charged for every single one of them,
> whereas
> > in reality I didn't touch a twig all race! The only thing I did
> differently
> > was pull over just after the finish line as opposed to finishing the
> entire
> > victory lap. I even have the entire race replay to show that my driving
> was
> > (ok, REALLY slow, but) safe!
> > I want my 200+ LPI back!
> > --
> Further research seems to show that ALL the drivers in the race got
charged
> with all 9 incidents! This can't be right!
> > Gents, I just ran a frankly awful league race at the Glen - there were 9
> > yellows in the race, and I got charged for every single one of them,
> whereas
> > in reality I didn't touch a twig all race! The only thing I did
> differently
> > was pull over just after the finish line as opposed to finishing the
> entire
> > victory lap. I even have the entire race replay to show that my driving
> was
> > (ok, REALLY slow, but) safe!
> > I want my 200+ LPI back!
> > --
> Further research seems to show that ALL the drivers in the race got
charged
> with all 9 incidents! This can't be right!
If they could just fix it to where the SOLE person/s that caused the contact
'that would bring out a yellow' would get hit with the IC and not everyone
else that gets brought into it or is even near it, I'd quit ***in, I
promise, LOL! :) I don't see how being beside a wreck or getting swept into
a wreck is an Incident Caused, but I don't work for Papy sooo...
Its about to get worse with the patch and its ability to place an LPI
resitriction on the clients...doesn't matter, I quit 'arena' racing mid-N4
and my league server is IP connection so I don't bother carrying the
anti-LPI banner anymore. With Papy's arena crashes of late, everyone in the
league has quit fussing about IP connecting now...
- Eric
I agree. And regardless who's at fault, through time the culpability will
even out. Howver, if LPI is used to filter entrants that rating should be
segregated by track type. (Which I take is impossible without extensive
recoding)
David G Fisher
> - Eric
> > If they could just fix it to where the SOLE person/s that caused the
> contact
> > 'that would bring out a yellow' would get hit with the IC and not
> everyone
> > else that gets brought into it or is even near it, I'd quit ***in, I
> > promise, LOL! :) I don't see how being beside a wreck or getting swept
> into
> > a wreck is an Incident Caused, but I don't work for Papy sooo...
"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash
> David G Fisher
> > While that would be great in theory, I don't see how that would be
> > possible to implement. People watching the race can't always decide
> > who's at fault, so how would you expect a computer to make that same
> > determination? For better or worse, anyone involved in something that
> > would cause a yellow is assessed an incident. Both the ability to not
> > cause accidents as well as the luck/skill/whatever to avoid being
> > collected is rewarded by the system. Sure you'll get the occasional
> > incident counted against you that is of no fault of your own, but
> > hopefully if you are a clean driver you'll have enough incident-free
> > laps to offset it. This is basically the same system that has been in
> > place since back in the Hawaii days, and the better/safer/cleaner
> > drivers have always gravitated to the top of the LPI statistic.
> > - Eric
> > > If they could just fix it to where the SOLE person/s that caused the
> > contact
> > > 'that would bring out a yellow' would get hit with the IC and not
> > everyone
> > > else that gets brought into it or is even near it, I'd quit ***in, I
> > > promise, LOL! :) I don't see how being beside a wreck or getting swept
> > into
> > > a wreck is an Incident Caused, but I don't work for Papy sooo...
say 200 or more? There are
They might not appreciate it, but if Papyrus gives the LPI new meaning than
it will only be a true measure of someone if it's reset. People who have a
200 lpi now will have it again once they run a few races.
David G Fisher
"Eric Busch" said:
<SNIPPED!>
Avoiding accidents is part of good racing just as much as not causing them,
and therefor this aspect is a valid and important part of the overall
information the lpi was designed to convey.
The 'near miss' issues that are mentioned in this thread happen, but they
are very rare, and they happen to all of us. Therefor, they do not distort
the overall picture. Relative to each other, we still have correct lpi
ratings, even if the absolute figure may be off by maybe a percent or two
(which is neglectible anyway).
The lpi perfectly shows how good a driver is at racing clean, and avoiding
accidents.
Achim
I also think it shouldn't be reset every 30 races. You earn your lpi over
the time, and it's a reality of life that you have to live with the sins of
your past ;-)
Achim
> David G Fisher
> > While that would be great in theory, I don't see how that would be
> > possible to implement. People watching the race can't always decide
> > who's at fault, so how would you expect a computer to make that same
> > determination? For better or worse, anyone involved in something that
> > would cause a yellow is assessed an incident. Both the ability to not
> > cause accidents as well as the luck/skill/whatever to avoid being
> > collected is rewarded by the system. Sure you'll get the occasional
> > incident counted against you that is of no fault of your own, but
> > hopefully if you are a clean driver you'll have enough incident-free
> > laps to offset it. This is basically the same system that has been in
> > place since back in the Hawaii days, and the better/safer/cleaner
> > drivers have always gravitated to the top of the LPI statistic.
Achim
> > I'm not one of them, but what about the guys that already have LPI's of
> say 200 or more? There are
> > many out there, I don't think they would appreciate having their LPI's
> reset, do you?
> > --
> > Biz
> They might not appreciate it, but if Papyrus gives the LPI new meaning
than
> it will only be a true measure of someone if it's reset. People who have a
> 200 lpi now will have it again once they run a few races.
> David G Fisher
I honestly think from my own memory these mishaps don't happen more often
than in ~3% of the cases. This really isn't an issue.
Achim
