How bout the kids parents. Maybe the blame should be squarely put there. I
know I would know if any of my kids had a sawed off shotgun barrel on his
dresser.
Also, I saw maybe five minute of "Natural Born Killers", what a waste of
tape.
Dave
That being said, 60 Minutes had a very intteresting story on this issue last
weekend, featuring an ex-military man who now does seminars for the military
on the 'psychology of killing'. He had enough points that I am at least
disturbed by this issue.
To elaborate:
>>Agreed, but computer games have an interactive element that movies and
music
>>don't. They also allow people to practice the skills that make them more
>>effective killers.
>First, this is rec.autos.sims - the only killing I do is running over
>the 2-D marshalls, or suicide runs the wrong way round the circuit.
>Or, of course, just wiping myself out in the armco. Has every drunk
>driver been honing his/her skills in GPL?
Again, agreed to some extent. I think the argument is maybe more against the
arcade type games where you get a plastic gun to shoot with. However, 60
Minutes also showed footage of marines using DOOM to train with. While the
translation to real life is not exact, apparently there is some substance to
it. Did anyone read about the navy pilot who sped up his certification by
spending many hours on MS Flight Sim? The Navy is now going to adopt MSFS
for its standard training. I haven't been in many airplanes that look like
my desk, 15inch monitor and joystick, either.
But to say skills learned in a sim don't translate to real life is an
oversimplification. Otherwise, why do we play sims in the first place? To
get some sort of simulation of a real-life experience. The psych on 60
Minutes called FPS games 'killing simulators.'.....
Okay, now you're just missing the point.
Again, I don't think games can CAUSE this sort of behavior. However, I am
uncomfortable with the idea of someone who is already f'ed in the head
having access to their own personal 'training ground'.
Another example given on 60 Minutes was the shooting in the Kentucky school.
The kid who did that played many hours of FPS's. He fired 8 shots in that
school. All hit head or upper torso. The NYPD pumped 40+ at Louima, and
'only' hit him 16 times. I think they have had a little more live firearms
training then the kid in kentucky, but they can't match his prowess. (My
facts may be a little off with regard to the NYC shooting, and I don't mean
to make light of this tragedy - I use it merely as illustration.)
See above. Do I have an answer? No. But I think debate on this issue can
only be healthy. I can tell you I won't let my kids have a computer in their
room where I can't tell what they're using it for.
The movie made you uneasy? But an interactive kiling simulator doesn't?
60 Minutes also touched on a lawsuit against the producers of this movie
based on some copycat killings. I have a harder time with this - those
people would have killed anyway, they just found a 'cool' way to do it from
the movie. Movies, however, don't have the interactive element that video
games do.
Keith
> Agreed, but computer games have an interactive element that movies and music
> don't. They also allow people to practice the skills that make them more
> effective killers.
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We shouldn't censor the films, TV shows, or video games. We SHOULD make the
parents of these savages legally and financially responsible for each and every
one of their anti-social, destructive actions. Perhaps that would cause these
parents to rediscover a word that is taboo from the time today's offspring are
born:
"NO!!"
Back to racing,
Trey Behan
Somewhere it does say that parents are responible for the actions of a
minor under their roof. I am sure I read that somewhere, or my parents
pointed that out to me when I got arrested once for Street Racing, and was
grounded from doing any real drag racing that year. It was a lesson I
thought was stupid at the time, but with my life now, having three kids I
think I got off rather easy.
Dave
> >How bout the kids parents. Maybe the blame should be squarely put there.
I
> >know I would know if any of my kids had a sawed off shotgun barrel on
his
> >dresser.
> The video games are a SYMPTOM of the collective psychosis affecting many
of
> today's kids. Their self-centered attitudes toward the worthlessness of
life
> without instant gratification are begun by their anti-disciplinary
parents, and
> re-enforced by the *** drivel the find in movies, television, and
video
> games. They are pretty much unaffected by books, because they can't read
or
> write a complete sentence.
> We shouldn't censor the films, TV shows, or video games. We SHOULD make
the
> parents of these savages legally and financially responsible for each and
every
> one of their anti-social, destructive actions. Perhaps that would cause
these
> parents to rediscover a word that is taboo from the time today's
offspring are
> born:
> "NO!!"
> Back to racing,
> Trey Behan
> Nuff said
> Charles Buscher
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>>Philster
>How bout the kids parents. Maybe the blame should be squarely put there. I
>know I would know if any of my kids had a sawed off shotgun barrel on his
>dresser.
>Also, I saw maybe five minute of "Natural Born Killers", what a waste of
>tape.
>Dave
>> A serious opinion - I had the misfortune of watching "Natural Born
>> Killers" a couple of months ago and that genuinely made me uneasy, as
>> it portrayed a potential real-life situation. If you want to find a
>> scapegoat in the popular media, look at TV or movies, where real
>> actors do things in current-day settings, not at a bunch of lo-res
>> pixels running around a space station shooting mutants.
>> >Keith
>> Ken
by the way i'm an american 28 years old.
>>How bout the kids parents. Maybe the blame should be squarely put there.
I
>>know I would know if any of my kids had a sawed off shotgun barrel on his
>>dresser.
>The video games are a SYMPTOM of the collective psychosis affecting many of
>today's kids. Their self-centered attitudes toward the worthlessness of
life
>without instant gratification are begun by their anti-disciplinary parents,
and
>re-enforced by the *** drivel the find in movies, television, and video
>games. They are pretty much unaffected by books, because they can't read or
>write a complete sentence.
>We shouldn't censor the films, TV shows, or video games. We SHOULD make the
>parents of these savages legally and financially responsible for each and
every
>one of their anti-social, destructive actions. Perhaps that would cause
these
>parents to rediscover a word that is taboo from the time today's offspring
are
>born:
>"NO!!"
>Back to racing,
>Trey Behan
> >Agreed, but computer games have an interactive element that movies and music
> >don't. They also allow people to practice the skills that make them more
> >effective killers.
> First, this is rec.autos.sims - the only killing I do is running over
> the 2-D marshalls, or suicide runs the wrong way round the circuit.
> Or, of course, just wiping myself out in the armco. Has every drunk
> driver been honing his/her skills in GPL?
> Second, where can I purchase a gun that has a mouse interface, and a
> remote-control active-suspension powered skateboard, controlled via
> the same mouse, that allows me to slide sideways without any gun
> shake.
> Finally, I've noticed my local chemist/drug store/kusuriya doesn't
> stock first aid kits capable of curing multiple gunshot wounds in a
> second.
> All these things conspire against my plans to visit my local school
> and kill everyone in sight.
> >I am not saying that computer games should be banned, or that they cause
> >this sort of thing. These people are screwed up to begin with. But I think
> >there is enough here to make me uncomfortable.
> Eh? Why? If they don't cause anything, then what's the problem?
> A serious opinion - I had the misfortune of watching "Natural Born
> Killers" a couple of months ago and that genuinely made me uneasy, as
> it portrayed a potential real-life situation. If you want to find a
> scapegoat in the popular media, look at TV or movies, where real
> actors do things in current-day settings, not at a bunch of lo-res
> pixels running around a space station shooting mutants.
> >Keith
> Ken
You advocate the snooping of kids 17 and 18 years old by their parents. If,
during my last year of school or first of Uni, I found my mother checking
out my stuff I'd have gone ballistic. Who's to say that the parents would
recognise a sawn off barrel? My father might, but my mother wouldn't.
M
The compunction to behave in that manner comes from elsewhere, and to
conveniently pin it onto computer games is to miss the point entirely.
Ask yourself why it is that games like Quake and such *** are so
popular and you're beginning to look in the right place - deal with
the cause, not the effect.
In any case, banning a computer game when anyone can wander into a
shop and buy a gun seems, to me at least, to be missing the point a
wee bit!
Cheers!
John
Perhaps an answer that is equally or more valid to one given by others
who have NO experience of games and the internet....?
We may be so close that we can't see the wood for the trees, but the
people on the outside see only a big scary forest - they don't see any
of the trees and the flowers (man).
Cheers!
John
A friend of mine moved from Scotland to Indiana a few years ago (it's
a long story) and I remember him telling me how, to him at least,
everyone seemed like a gun-totin', harum-scarum maniac - coming from
outside it was quite shocking. He was describing to me how in
"bow-hunting season" you basically couldn't go for a walk in the
forest for fear of being turned into a walking pincushion. He also
mentioned that most of the people used tungsten tipped arrows in their
bows (it could have been titanium, I forget). The question is, WHY?
When was the last time a deer had a kevlar skin?
Bizarre....
Cheers!
John
Cheers!
John
