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Any ideas?

TNT2 is supposed to be D3D & 3DFX...
With no D3D in GPL I am trying 3Dfx.

I had to replace my Rendition card
because of N3 and
I miss GPL!

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Ric Seyler
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Are you saying to run GPL in D3D or 3DFX?

Is this patch in the Sierra web site?

Any help will be appreciated!

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Ric Seyler
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http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler

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Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer.

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Nurburgring and Grand Prix Legends

| I'm a little confused?
| Isn't OpenGL,  3DFX? And not D3D?
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| Are you saying to run GPL in D3D or 3DFX?
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| Is this patch in the Sierra web site?
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| Any help will be appreciated!
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| Ric Seyler
| Online Racing: RicSeyler

| http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler
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My point is that OpenGL, Glide and D3D are separate standards and they have
nothing to do with eachother. (or maybe that they produce 3d graphics..).

You should find that _OpenGL_ patch and adjust the mirror refresh rates as
explained in the readme and you're set to go with GPL with you TNT card.

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Mika Takala

ICQ 14314015

GPL supports natively rendering via software, Rendition chipsets, 3dfx
Voodoo chipsets [Glide].  They have also an OpenGL beta, 2nd version,
available that is primarily aimed at Nvidia TNT [and it does run with TNT2
cards] cards using OpenGL.  There is no Direct3D rendering support in GPL.

The only cards to run Glide are any based on the following chipsets by 3dfx:
Voodoo, Voodoo Rush, Voodoo2, Banshee and Voodoo3.  All these cards support
Glide, D3D [not as well], and a subset of the full OpenGL API.

Rendition cards such as those based on the V1100 and V2200 [such as the
Hercules Thriller] handle Rendition based API and D3D somewhat, but drivers
are really outdated.

Most other cards you can currently buy such as those based on chipsets like
the Nvidia TNT/TNT2/GeForce, S3 Savage3/Savage4, 3DLabs Permedia 2/3, ATI
Rage Fury, Matrox G200/G400, etc. all implement Direct3D and OpenGL,
although the OpenGL support really varies in how good it is from chipset to
chipset and how much of the OpenGL API the drivers handle.  Direct3D support
is fairly good and well implemented across the board.

Well they are all 3D APIs which are used to facilitate writing applications
[including games] that are drawing 3D models to the screen.

Yes, but mileage will vary.  I've gotten it to run on a Hercules TNT2 Ultra
and the Diamond Viper 770 Ultra [TNT2 Ultra] with a P2-400 and a Celeron 400
machines.  Both have 128Mb+ of RAM too.

Cris, sounds like you know your stuff.  I'm getting really sick of no mirrors
with my TNT2.  I'm thinking of picking up a cheap Voodoo2 to add in for GPL.
Can you tell me if a Voodoo2 would run as well as a TNT2 in a P3 550 ?

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Don Scurlock
Vancouver,B.C.

That may be so but I still run GPL with a thriller 8 meg and it looks and runs
great.
John Moore

wrong. 3dfx's so called 'miniport' did only support a subset of the
complete opengl-standard. the full ICD followed much later, when
nvidia/riva already had an opengl-ICD.

this is not correct as GLIDE is only an API - one _could_ write a
GLIDE-API for any other card and creative did actually write a
glide-to-d3d-wrapper, which is said to work quite well.

Lio

Didn't say it didn't. :)  Just that the drivers for the Rendition cards,
especially in terms of D3D which a lot of games support, is severly out of
date.

Don,

A TNT2, yes probably close.  A TNT2 Ultra, no.  With a single Voodoo2 you'd
be limited to 800x600, but should be able to get 36fps with it at that
resolution.  With 2 Voodoo2s in SLI, you might be able to run 1024x768, but
you'd have to turn down some options to get 36fps.  This is of course basd
on extrapolation of what I remember from running dual Voodoo2s in SLI on a
P2-400.

No, the original poster is right.  3dfx was really the first major 3D
chipmaker to support OpenGL, but as you say it was only a subset of the
OpenGL specs.  The full ICD is only available for Voodoo3 cards.

As far as I last heard, their Unified driver did NOT work well at all in
most cases.

Thanks again

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Ric Seyler
Online Racing: RicSeyler

http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler