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F1 2000: It was now or never!

Zen

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by Zen » Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Do you people think the reason EA distributed F1 2000 in this state (i.e.
unfinished) was that they figured it was the only chance they had to make
any money out of it? In other words, that once GP3 came out, nobody would go
near F1 2000?
Dave Henri

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by Dave Henri » Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:00:00

  They had the date set last year when they tabbed ISI to code the sim.
They wanted it out NOT BEFORE GP3 but when the Season started.  You'll
notice Madden 2001 is scheduled out this fall, not for the Xmas season.
EA has always tried to have a title ready when the season starts.
Remember Madden 97 or 98 or something....a complete disaster that was
late to boot.  
  I'm sure they had a very good feel for when GP3 was going to be
released.  I'm still not gonna be surpised if we don't see it til late
fall....But the product EA had was a 2000 season sim that really isn't
competing with gp3 but with Pysnosis F1  and Official F1.  I'm sure if
they compare themselves to those products, they come out looking very
good.  
  Here too is probably the reason EA bought up ISI to distribute SCGT.
They could care less about that title, but it gave them a team of
developers with a working software engine that could be ported to an F1
title...and if they could get it out on time at the start of the 2000
season, then I'd be willing to bet they felt pretty confident about
beating GP3 out of the gate by a substantial margin.
  I'd be more interested in comparing F12k+1 to GP4 as both the titles
released this year seem to be missing components.
dave henrie

> Do you people think the reason EA distributed F1 2000 in this state (i.e.
> unfinished) was that they figured it was the only chance they had to make
> any money out of it? In other words, that once GP3 came out, nobody would go
> near F1 2000?

PHendrix

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by PHendrix » Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Wow!!!   Great post, you brought up some very good points.
Iain Mackenzi

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by Iain Mackenzi » Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:00:00


> But the product EA had was a 2000 season sim that really isn't
> competing with gp3 but with Pysnosis F1  and Official F1.

No way, Dave.  As has been debated many times, F12K is the best modern F1
sim out there, and should be compared with F1RS and MGPRS2. F1 and OF1R were
pure arcade games and not worth taking OOTB.
Any comparisons with GP3 are purely conjecture as we don't actually know how
good (or bad) it is yet.
Iain
Karl Zose

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by Karl Zose » Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Isn't a sim a thing with real-life tracks?

F1 2000 isn't!!

The tracks are pure shit.

Rod Princ

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by Rod Princ » Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:00:00



So much hostility over a game.

Tracks are convincing enough for me. I find F1-2000 very enjoyable to
drive. I can find little difference between hotlapping and the number of
mpgs I have downloaded of real hotlaps on each circuit.

Cheers,
Rod.

Karl Zose

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by Karl Zose » Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:00:00





> > Isn't a sim a thing with real-life tracks?

> > F1 2000 isn't!!

> > The tracks are pure shit.

> So much hostility over a game.

> Tracks are convincing enough for me. I find F1-2000 very enjoyable to
> drive. I can find little difference between hotlapping and the number of
> mpgs I have downloaded of real hotlaps on each circuit.

True: its only a game.
But many people out there depend on PC racing sims to have the feel of
driving a real race car on a real race track.
I am anoyed because the rest of the game (F1 2000) has so much potential.
True: its could almost be perfect, and even on my system (P2-500) its
performance is 10 times better that GP2 when it was released.

Some of the tracks in F1 2000 are good.
I just can't understand why they could NOT make tracks like Spa (the most
important one) and some of the rest  JUST AS GOOD. They obviously have the
technology to measure the real tracks and convert them into computer tracks.

I don't know which mpg's you have been watrching, but their version of SPA
is the worst I have ever seen. All the track ellevations are totally wrong.
The Eau Rouge corner is the most important corner of the whole season (thats
what the real drivers say) so its unacceptable that EA messed that whole
section up.

Yeah, of course its JUST a racing game...

Its also JUST your money they're after :)

Rod Princ

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by Rod Princ » Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:00:00



Spa, Suzuka and Indy are the only 3 I don't have in the boxed season.. so
I can't comment on them.

I feel that the level of track accuracy that people demand on here isn't
absolutely essential for the mass market. Joe Blow is unlikely to even
know. I consider myself an average F1 fan, if it's on TV, I'll watch it.
Every race I want to know the result, several tracks I know reasonably
well. Would I be able to comment on track accuracy on the real thing? Not
likely, all I could do is compare it to other sims that I have raced, or
mpg's that I have seen.

Of the mpgs that I've downloaded, I could virtually pick each turn-in
point, where each brake point was and which gear they were taking the
turn on which I feel is pretty darn good. That kind of accuracy is most
likely to be more than acceptable to 99% of the game purchasing public.

Even if a track is totally wrong, why can't you treat that track as a
'fantasy' track? There are other tracks there that are modelled very
well. No point damning a game because of one poorly modelled track.

Cheers,
Rod.

Remco Moe

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by Remco Moe » Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:00:00



>> But the product EA had was a 2000 season sim that really isn't
>> competing with gp3 but with Pysnosis F1  and Official F1.

>No way, Dave.  As has been debated many times, F12K is the best modern F1
>sim out there, and should be compared with F1RS and MGPRS2. F1 and OF1R were
>pure arcade games and not worth taking OOTB.

F1-2000 the best? Depends on what you like in a modern F1 game...it is
the best in your opinion, I'm sure....

Agreed.

Remco

Karl Zose

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by Karl Zose » Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Trust me on this one: I have been a F1 *** for 20 years now, and I have
lots of books, videos about F1 racing. I've been to many tracks myself.
Still I'm not a maniac: I found the tracks in GP2 very very good. There were
some minor flaws, but overal they were good. Compared to the old GP2, the
newer F1 2000 tracks are really very bad, apart from a few.
I must admid that the Spa track is maybe the worst of all, and its such a
nice track IRL.

Well this 99% will NOT buy GPL because its too hard to play. But still GPL
is the best SIM up to date.
Of course Im NOT the average game purchasing guy. And many of us aren't: we
want the real thing, and that's what game-makers speculate on when they
label their game as 'a true sim'.

Imossible! I drive around the tracks I got to know so well with a certain
feel, and even some emotions :)
I can't have it spoiled by EA. I won't race on the F1 2000 SPA track like it
is now. It's painful...

There are other tracks there that are modelled very

I willl admit that F1 2000 has some very good qualities, but as I explained
earlier: what really annyoing is that they have the technology to make
accurate tracks, but they just don't care. Lets' just hope someone finds a
way to edit the tracks, them F1 2000 will be close to perfect

Iain Mackenzi

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by Iain Mackenzi » Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:00:00

It's not just my opinion, but nevertheless what is your opinion on what is
the best modern F1 sim out there at the moment?
Iain

Iain Mackenzi

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by Iain Mackenzi » Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Yep, Spa is very disappointing from an accuracy point of view, especially
Eau Rouge. However, F12K does a pretty good job at most of the tracks.
Iain
ymenar

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by ymenar » Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:00:00


Your post insinuate that it's best at the moment but also best as in "good
to buy".

While I agree that F1 2000 is the best racing simulation of modern F1 at the
moment (barely over Gp2 since the graphics make it out-dated simply), the
price is not worth the investment and it has major flaws in every aspect of
the game.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.WeRace.net
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

ymenar

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by ymenar » Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:00:00


Oh mmmm no.

If we start like this, we'll never advance in realism.  You could release
"track accuracy" in your message by EVERYTHING.  Graphics, sound, AI,
multiplayer, etc..  If they do not push them the most they can, then virtual
reality of motorsports is doomed.

Btw, have fun at the pathetic model of the Montreal GP next week.  It's so
bad I think I'll burn the F1 2000 cd (yes, I finally bought it, shame on me)
in the microwave ;-P

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.WeRace.net
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.


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