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F1 2000: It was now or never!

Ronald Stoeh

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by Ronald Stoeh » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00


> > EA got many important corners and many track elevations on many tracks
> > TOTALLY wrong.
> Some corners on some tracks.

> > REC.AUTO.SIMULATORS !!!!

> Not REC.TRACK.SIMULATORS!  This is about racing and getting car physics and
> the e***ment of a race challenge as close to reality as you can when
> sitting in front of a monitor, not whether the width at Monza is 0.5m less
> than it should be.

If I wonder which track I'm driving (What corner is that?) than there's a lot
more wrong than half a meter of track width. And there is...

If you can live with those "problems", that's fine. Have fun.

l8er
ronny

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Mrv

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by Mrv » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Not many went near it even though Gp3 is not out.  F1-2000 is a bad product and
should have never been released.  Check out Grand Prix World by Eidos it is a
much better racing sim then F1-2000.

> Do you people think the reason EA distributed F1 2000 in this state (i.e.
> unfinished) was that they figured it was the only chance they had to make
> any money out of it? In other words, that once GP3 came out, nobody would go
> near F1 2000?

Mrv

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by Mrv » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Agree. Check the tracks from Grand Prix World then look at F1-2000.  I had a
good laugh.

> > No way, Dave.  As has been debated many times, F12K is the best modern F1
> > sim out there,

> Isn't a sim a thing with real-life tracks?

> F1 2000 isn't!!

> The tracks are pure shit.

N..

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by N.. » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00


spoke:

Geez...them must be some powerful *** you be takin'. :-)

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Nos

Iain Mackenzi

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by Iain Mackenzi » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

As the great cliche goes, 'whatever you're on I want some'!!!
Iain


> Not many went near it even though Gp3 is not out.  F1-2000 is a bad
product and
> should have never been released.  Check out Grand Prix World by Eidos it
is a
> much better racing sim then F1-2000.


> > Do you people think the reason EA distributed F1 2000 in this state
(i.e.
> > unfinished) was that they figured it was the only chance they had to
make
> > any money out of it? In other words, that once GP3 came out, nobody
would go
> > near F1 2000?

S Hoogendoor

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by S Hoogendoor » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Are you kidding,  that Eidos game really SUCKS big time,
it comes nowhere near F1-2000 (wich i think is a pretty good sim)


> Not many went near it even though Gp3 is not out.  F1-2000 is a bad
product and
> should have never been released.  Check out Grand Prix World by Eidos it
is a
> much better racing sim then F1-2000.


> > Do you people think the reason EA distributed F1 2000 in this state
(i.e.
> > unfinished) was that they figured it was the only chance they had to
make
> > any money out of it? In other words, that once GP3 came out, nobody
would go
> > near F1 2000?

Dave Henri

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by Dave Henri » Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:00:00

F1 2k is a rushed product.  But, :) here is why.
They had the license for the year 2000.  EA has only once delayed a product
that is tied to a calendar year, that was Madden 96 or 97.  Absolutely awful
and it damn near killed the Madden series.   EA puts out sports titles when
the seasons begin.  You'll see the new Madden title this fall, the NBA a few
weeks later, and Hockey also.  They tie the product release to the season
schedule.
  So obviously they wanted F12k out when the season began, and they hit that
mark.  They were able to acheive this by buying up ISI and using an exisitng
software engine(scgt) rather than start from scratch.  Many of F12k's
limitations are a direct result of the close kinship to scgt.    If EA had
built a whole complete title from the ground up, they KNEW they would miss
the 2000 season and their license would be worthless.
  However, even though GP3 was originally scheduled to ship in the early
spring, I think EA could feel pretty confident that the title would slip.  I
am frankly suprised that GP3 has gone gold.  Based on the difficulties
getting GP2 out the door, I didn't think even this fall was realistic.  I
have to give credit to Crammond and his team for  that.
  So EA knew they had a window, and they slipped in, sold what they could.
I'm sure Hasbro would have loved to go head to head with EA but it just
didn't happen.  Now next year....we will see probably a radical upgrade for
EA's series, and an evolutionary upgrade for GP3 and those titles should
really make for an interesting comparison.
dave henrie

> Not many went near it even though Gp3 is not out.  F1-2000 is a bad
product and
> should have never been released.  Check out Grand Prix World by Eidos it
is a
> much better racing sim then F1-2000.


> > Do you people think the reason EA distributed F1 2000 in this state
(i.e.
> > unfinished) was that they figured it was the only chance they had to
make
> > any money out of it? In other words, that once GP3 came out, nobody
would go
> > near F1 2000?

Greg Cisk

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by Greg Cisk » Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:00:00


Just curious why you think GP3 will have an evolutionary upgrade
next year? I expect the GP3 game sometime this year, but that is
about it for several more years. You know that MPS is dedicated
to doing a yearly GP series??? That doesn't seem to be Crammond's
style.

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Jo Hels

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by Jo Hels » Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:00:00





>>   So EA knew they had a window, and they slipped in, sold what they could.
>> I'm sure Hasbro would have loved to go head to head with EA but it just
>> didn't happen.  Now next year....we will see probably a radical upgrade
>for
>> EA's series, and an evolutionary upgrade for GP3 and those titles should
>> really make for an interesting comparison.

>Just curious why you think GP3 will have an evolutionary upgrade
>next year?

Where have you been? Hasbro has been shouting for months that they
have F1 licenses for several years 1998-xxxx and will release a GP4,
GP5... the next years.

JoH

Dave Henri

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by Dave Henri » Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:00:00

  Yes, Greg, since Hasbro has plans for yearly projects, the massive
undertaking that GP2 and GP3 were, just doesn't sound do-able.  I'm betting
GP4 will have most of the features that are missing in GP3,  especially
internet mulitplayer.   Since they did manage to squeeze in FF into GP3,
that is one less feature I thought would be in 4.
  Of course, this is merely my estimate and I have NO, absolutely NO info
that would support this beyond common speculation.(how's that for covering
my backside?)
dave henrie



> >   So EA knew they had a window, and they slipped in, sold what they
could.
> > I'm sure Hasbro would have loved to go head to head with EA but it just
> > didn't happen.  Now next year....we will see probably a radical upgrade
> for
> > EA's series, and an evolutionary upgrade for GP3 and those titles should
> > really make for an interesting comparison.

> Just curious why you think GP3 will have an evolutionary upgrade
> next year? I expect the GP3 game sometime this year, but that is
> about it for several more years. You know that MPS is dedicated
> to doing a yearly GP series??? That doesn't seem to be Crammond's
> style.

> --



TToomm

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by TToomm » Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Dave Henrie wrote;

One of the GP3 sites did have an FAQ about this.  Just from memory
GP4 would be out in Christmas or early next year, in time to go head
to head with F1 2001.  Among other features it will have a virtual
***pit, a career mode where you work your way up to the top teams,
and I think at the time of the info, FF.  So, you know...

One thing I've wondered about, is that in some early software
screenshots, the tire smoke looked volumetric or 3d, like in
rendered movie animations.  I haven't seen it in any of the
recent hardware screenshots.  Haven't read a thing about
how the smoke was done or what to expect.

Tom

Jo Hels

F1 2000: It was now or never!

by Jo Hels » Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:00:00


Hmmm... I don't think those "GP4-features" are anything official. More
a wishlist.

JoH


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