rec.autos.simulators

% It's simulating an F1 car, the accuracy of the tracks is inconsequential.
% It's still a simulator.

% But you've taken it to the extreme. I don't think anyone in this thread
% said they didn't care about track accuracy, but that the accuracy of the
% tracks was acceptable to everyone but a handfull of people.

% You obviously don't like F12000, that's fine. But some of us here do.

Actually when f12k first showed up, its defenders were saying that the
tracks "were" accurate and those that felt they weren't, were wrong or
just plain blind.  I find it interesting that now we are defending f12k
for not having accurate tracks.

Just an interesting observation.

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I'm certainly not doing that now. In the past I have said the track modeling
in F1 2000 was accurate enough for me to think it is the best modern F1
sim on the market. Noting has changed that. The only thing wrong with
F1 2000 is the framerate during GP's when you try to run at full details.

All I can say to that is "well Duh".

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David G Fisher

Errrr, when you say "As has been debated many times, F12K is the best
modern F1 sim out there", I can't see that as _your_ opinion. And I
fail to see where I said you shouldn't post to RAS AT ALL....

Remco

didn't you notice that in Monaco at the Loews corner the track drops at
about 10 degrees on the inside line while it should do so at about 8
degrees? I mean, how can you enjoy a sim with such innacuracies?

-Gregor

What I mean is that instead of having a car steering correctly with the
front wheels, it rotates the car on the center of the car.  The Papyrus old
game engine is like that, and many other basic game engines fake it that
way.  The car pivots on it's middle axis, hence the term "to pivot : to
rotate on an axis".

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Outdated? Bah-humbug!

Some corners on some tracks.

Not REC.TRACK.SIMULATORS!  This is about racing and getting car physics and
the e***ment of a race challenge as close to reality as you can when
sitting in front of a monitor, not whether the width at Monza is 0.5m less
than it should be.
Iain

Errrr it was not universal..... CPR had its staunch supporters just as
f12k does.  That's where f12k is (in my book and even in some of its
supporters' books)....  "major frustration because it [has] the potential
for being great".  But it's not great, it's just the "only" modern F1
sim we have that's even close.  (oh, should I add IMHO <G>).

% BTW, this is an autos simulator group, not a track simulator group.  It's
% the simulation of the cars and racing that is important, not whether angles
% of elevation should be 8 degrees or 10 degrees as another poster said.
% Perhaps you and a couple of your mates should start a new NG called rts
% (rec.tracks.simulators).  May be you'll get some software company to produce
% 100% accurate tracks for you. The driving and the physics might be crap, but
% what the hell, at least you'll get a correct set of kerbs and trees in the
% right place!

Actually, I disagree.  There is a marriage between racing and tracks.
That's where they doing the racing, on the tracks.  As it seems many
folks enjoy "re-living" the experience of racing they see on the tube or
at the track.  Part of that experience is the track (as I said without
the track there would be no racing).  Some of us are looking for the
whole enchilada -- not just the tortilla.

I am not trying to tell you what you should enjoy in a simulation.  But
I am also tired of folks telling me (and others) that we should accept
what is offered when I want more in my simulations.  Some folks get a
kick out of 2 slices of bread and some mayonnaise in between.  Then
there are some that would like a slice of bologna added to the mix.  Me,
I would rather have a fine steak with all the t***s and maybe even a
fine single-malt scotch for after dinner drinks.

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Which they're not.

David G Fisher

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Ian P
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Ok ok ok you want to play with Semantics.  Whatever.

Let's make it simple for you.  We turn the littly tiddly wheel on the left.
On some littly games, those cars will not have all those four wheels modeled
on the ground.  When you do this with your cutesy wheel, the car will not be
like the real car your daddy drives to go to work.  Instead, the front tyres
won't be the turning wheels but some invisible ball in the perfect center of
the car.  Some new games today like GPL actually model the same way your
daddy drives the car.  When you turn the tiddly wheel, the front tyres are
the thing that affects the turn.

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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
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how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Er,  uh, hmmm....
Well, look at the bright side.   Nobody has posted any hotlaps for Spa.
The top talent seems to have completely ignored it.  Therefore,
the top rank for Spa is wide open!

As I've said before Michael, you're going to be waiting a long time (if
ever) for the perfect simulation, so you might as well get some enjoyment
out of the best of what is out there - whatever you think that is - at the
moment.

Iain