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RASF1 race number 1 - Hockenheim

Nick

RASF1 race number 1 - Hockenheim

by Nick » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 05:54:16

Okay, this weekend is going to be our first RASF1 race, and I thought I'd
start up a thread with details for people. Maybe we can get an idea of how
many people can attend, and if there are any clashes for a particular
driver. All of this stuff below is just me winging it a bit, so if you don't
agree, reply. I'm just making this up as I go along <g>

Rules
We need to decide race distance, tyre and fuel multipliers. I think the
practice servers were running at 7x tyres, 5x fuel or something like that?
We'll have to decide soon <g>

Aids
All aids are allowed, except invulnerability.

Circuit
The new Hockenheimring as raced in 2002 (and 2003, natch). There are plenty
of run-off areas around the track, so I think we ought to decide what we can
and can't use. Generally I would say that you can use any tarmac available
to you, with a few exceptions. Please try to keep to the circuit. Don't cut
the corner apexes. In F1C this isn't so much of a problem as F1 2002 was,
but lets try and have a clean first race, eh? These turn numbers are for the
major turns (the FIA numbers and F1C numbers are different).

T1(R) Nordkurve
Fast, but be careful on the start. If you want to run wide during the race
onto the tarmac out there, you can, I reckon. The grass-crete ends on the
left of the s/f straight just as you brake, so make sure you're not feet
dirty coming in here.

T2(R)/3(L) Einfahrt parabolica
Could be hairy on L1 <g>. Not really much else to say here. If you want to
defend your line, make an early move to the inside (this applies
everywhere). We are racing online and lag is a problem.

T4(R) Spitzkehre (Hairpin)
Nothing much to note. The problem might be blocking around the, er,
Hochgeschwindigkeits (parabolica), but we'll have to wait and see.

T5(R)/6(L)
It's very easy to run across the tarmac on the inside here if you***up.
The game doesn't punish you if you rejoin before T7, so if you do cut
across, it would be nice and gentlemanly of you to redress any gains you
made on racers around you ;-)

T8(R)
This suffers from some wildly inaccurate (and punishing) kerbs. Hitting the
inside kerb will push you out, and hitting the outside kerb is okay until
you try and get off the damn thing, which is difficult to do without
spinning. Safer to straddle the kerb to the end and then drive off.

T13(R)/14(R) Sudkurve
You can run off the circuit at the bottom here if you like. They do in real
life.

I'm running 1:22.5's as a best laptime, I think, race setup. Usually more
like 1:25's in amongst the AI. That's in my Sauber, with a conservative
setup (ie comfortable). I've done 74 laps, apparently.

Time
I believe we agreed on noon EST, which is 5pm UK time, 6pm Europe (that's my
maths, DO NOT trust those times <g>).

Be careful when following other cars. In F1C the rear wings seem to be stuck
on the cars with the chief mechanics' chewing gum. Any impact around the
rear of the car will see a rear wing fly off, even a soft sideways impact on
a rear wheel. Strange, but we have to live with it. It means that people
aren't going to be best pleased with a punt up the backside, so be careful
under braking. A loss of front wing just makes the car annoying to drive,
whereas a rear wing loss means it's almost impossible to even crawl back to
the pits.

Lets all make this, the inaugural [sp?] race of RASF1 a pretty decent
race... tempting fate ;-)

Nick

Neil Charlto

RASF1 race number 1 - Hockenheim

by Neil Charlto » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 07:14:32

If there's any spaces, I'd like to book one. Don't mind about car or driver.
I have raced with RASCAR before.

Regards


[snip]

Jan Verschuere

RASF1 race number 1 - Hockenheim

by Jan Verschuere » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:33:54

You can have my spot (Jaguar - Pedro De La Rosa) for this race. I won't be
able to attend Sunday.

Jan.
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Damien Smit

RASF1 race number 1 - Hockenheim

by Damien Smit » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 10:00:30

Aids are fine, but I would highly recommend disallowing stability control -
it give a very unfair advantage and allows people to throw the car around
corners faster than any alien and with gay abandon.  All of the 'ridiculous'
times set for F1 2002 on the EA site were done with stability control turned
on.
Pete Panai

RASF1 race number 1 - Hockenheim

by Pete Panai » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 10:14:10

No real preference accept distance. Does 40 - 50% sound good?

Agreed! The cleaner the racing lines the better!

Okay.

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Eldre

RASF1 race number 1 - Hockenheim

by Eldre » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 12:34:34



>Rules
>We need to decide race distance, tyre and fuel multipliers. I think the
>practice servers were running at 7x tyres, 5x fuel or something like that?
>We'll have to decide soon <g>

5x fuel, 7x tires  40% race...
All aids on except invulnerability?  Don't the aids make you faster in this
case?

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Ped Xin

RASF1 race number 1 - Hockenheim

by Ped Xin » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 13:48:55



"Stability Control" does, like Damien said.  Other aids can actually make
you slower.  All the aliens set their times with no aids.

Neil Charlto

RASF1 race number 1 - Hockenheim

by Neil Charlto » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 17:34:32

Jan - you're a gentleman ::))

Many thanks


jason moy

RASF1 race number 1 - Hockenheim

by jason moy » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 17:56:01


I'm playing with no aids, but overall I think we should go with no
aids but traction control, auto upshifts, and clutch assistance, as
the first 2 are authentic for 2002.  I'd be even happier without
clutch assistance, but I would concede that if stability/ABS/etc are
banned.

Also, I must have missed it.  We're racing noon on Saturday?  What's
the IP of the server?  Are we using F1rst or can you direct connect?
Is there a RAS F1 website?  Are we going to have any actual rules?
What about the server car?  Points?  Pitbabes?

Forza Minardi.  When I get some practice in I'll post a VCR/SVM combo
for anyone who is interested.

Jason

jason moy

RASF1 race number 1 - Hockenheim

by jason moy » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 17:56:50

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:00:30 +1000, "Damien Smith"


>Aids are fine, but I would highly recommend disallowing stability control -
>it give a very unfair advantage and allows people to throw the car around
>corners faster than any alien and with gay abandon.

As someone who was once abandoned by a ***, I find the above
statement offensive.

Jason

jason moy

RASF1 race number 1 - Hockenheim

by jason moy » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 19:32:59



Anyone care to share their times for 02 hock?  I've gotten the Minardi
into the 19's but I've got a feeling I should be doing 16's or 17's.

WR on f1rst is a 1:21 but that's not a particularly reliable source.

So far I've noticed a few general things:

Turn 1 - As long as you don't brake and stay in a fairly high gear to
keep your speed up, it seems like you can totally arse the line
without having a huge affect on laptimes.  The runoff on the outside
of the turn is solid and WIIIIIDE so you have a ton of time to gather
up the car if you're pushing too hard.  If you do push too hard, the
time you gain from carrying extra speed down the straight seems to be
pretty much nullified by taking a ***line.  

Turn 2 - With high downforce you can brake way beyond the AI's groove,
all the way up to if not past the 50 marker, and still have plenty of
grip left to make the next complex.  After turn 2 the right hander
opens up fairly quickly so you can get on the gas hard.  With a decent
setup you should be flat coming out of turn 3 and through turn 4.

Turn 5 - Er, this is a straight.  Gas.

Turn 6 - Hairpin - I've done everything I can to carry speed through
this corner and I've come to the conclusion that it's useless.  A
tight car will kill your laptimes here, and a loose car (basically one
that works everywhere else)  will spin off if you try to push it too
hard.  Best time through here is braking early and hard at the 100
marker and cutting the kerb as much as possible, using a little
throttle to push out to the exit kerb then *** the gas down the
straight.

Turn 7 is fast.  Very fast.  I do a quick lift at the 50, aim for the
right hand kerb, and gas it hard all the way through turn 8 towards
turn 9.

Turn 9 looks faster than it is.  I've found the best line is to brake
hard when the kerb ends on the right, use as much kerb as possible at
the apex, and gas it hard while still trying to keep left since it's a
short straight.

Turn 10 - Er, basically a short straight.

Turn 11 - Still working on the approach to this.  Seems a slight tap
of the brakes or a lift will give a similar speed through here.  A
tough corner to get right as you can't use more than the edge of
either kerb due to their shape.  You want speed coming out of it but
more importantly you want to stay off the exit kerb because taking too
much of it is like driving in a deep rut.

Turns 12-17 - Classic stadium section.  Not much to say, altho you can
take a good chunk of it flat out since you're running more downforce
than you would on the old hockenheim ring.  Turn 12 seems to like hard
braking and early apex, I'm finding late braking will cause
uncontrollable push whereas early braking will you get you lined up
nicely and fully on the throttle the entire corner.Turn 16 has a nice
flat extended kerb that screams "ride me", and will keep your speed up
without throwing you into the paved runoff, while 17 has a tiny strip
along the exit that you can ride if you take it too hard.  

Jason

Eldre

RASF1 race number 1 - Hockenheim

by Eldre » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 19:33:06

I would be ok with traction control.  I don't consider auto upshifts or clutch
assistance an 'aid' - I consider it more of a controller option.  I'm against
ABS, though.

Noon Eastern on Saturday, F1rst to connect.  No website, no rules, etc, at the
moment.  Definitely no pit babes...<g>

Eldred
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Eldre

RASF1 race number 1 - Hockenheim

by Eldre » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 19:41:45

Damn...  My pb is only a 1:29.  Something tells me I'm not going to like my
results in this race...

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jason moy

RASF1 race number 1 - Hockenheim

by jason moy » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 19:51:04


It's like GPL, Eldred.  2./3 of the cars will spin off on the first
lap, I'm sure if you just concentrate on being consistent at your pace
you'll be in the points if not on the podium.

I'm going to bed now, when I wake up I'll post a 1:19.850 replay in
the Minardi, and do some more work on getting that down and post the
setup.  I'm a wimp/horrible driver so the car is probably too
pushy/stable for most people, but you might like it too.

Jason

Phaso

RASF1 race number 1 - Hockenheim

by Phaso » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 23:19:02


I STRONGLY second this.

    -Phasor


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